Miami Mayor Says the US Should Consider Bombing Cuba
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Cuban government supports Nicaragua and Venezuela. Enough said lol. The country I was born in is rounding all possible presidential candidates and arresting them on grounds of treason. Protestors getting killed. Nah, I'm good
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
this whole “several things can be true at once” only works when several things are true at once. the middle and ending can be debunked by simply looking at the unique history of cuba and america and who brown cubans overwhelmingly supported
not to mention the cia tried to kill castro over 600 times
that says enough right there
AZTG
OG
I disagree.
At this point, the embargo is doing more harm than good.
The embargo failed. 5 decades and no regime change yet.
At this point people are starving in Cuba. The embargo hurts the people way more the govt.
Life the embargo, and find other way to pressure a regime change
SneakDZA
Go on witcha bad self
Not being funny but has that ever happened?
AZTG
OG
I get you. But the CIA killing Castro doesnt make Castro a good man/leader.
Just cause Castro was a communist/socialist doesnt make his regime good.
There isnt only 2 sides to this.
Im on the fuck CIA and Castro/Cuban govt side.
This discussion broke out on the IC once before but I also think it should be noted that lionizing Castro also shouldn't be done. Especially since most do it because he was anti US while ignoring the decades of fuck shit he openly engaged in that didn't really help out Cuba either.
AZTG
OG
It hasnt. US is usually supporting sides commiting genocide.
I was just saying just so to cover my bases
SneakDZA
Go on witcha bad self
I think you have to also consider that a lot of the negatives that we attribute to the Cuban gov't are directly related to US intervention and the embargo. You have a government that despite its best intentions (assuming a government can have that) would still have to make very tough and unpopular decisions in order to maintain its sovereignty.
That's not to say that without the embargo Cuba would have been a socialist utopia but we can't act like their draconian overeaches happened in a vaccuum or are the result of a paranoid regime.
I mean the irony of the whole situation is we (the US) have a whole oubliette for political prisoners on Cuba.
Swabbie
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Honest question, how tf we have to right to tell the Cubans what's wrong with Cuba? Aren't all the Cubans saying it's the government and not the embargo? Wouldn't they know more than we? Thinking you know more than the people actually experiencing something is a white person move.
I think y'all need to take a seat.
I think y'all need to take a seat.
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
AZTG
OG
You're 100% right.
If we really do a deep dive into why Cuba is the way it is, there is alot of parts to it and thats a long discussion to be had.
America never gave the Cuban govt a chance. And, America was harsher on Cuba than any other communist state because they werent about to allow a communist state to be successful 90 miles away.
I am in no way a supporter of Americas treatment in Cuba. America did to Cuba what it does all over the world. America shares atleast half, but probably more than half of the blame for Cuba being what it is.
With that said though, the Cuban govt took it too far. There was never freedom of speech, religion, and more importantly, freedom of thought in Cuba. And disiddents were killed and jailed.
No one man/regime should have the power to decide on the political/economic system of a country.
Its time to burn it all to the ground and let the people hold elections to decide what direction their country goes in
Swabbie
Active Member
lmao @ not responding with anything substantial to back up your cynicism.
look, I ain't trying to argue with nobody on this board but it feel like y'all giving America way too much credit in this instance. The embargo doesn't stop humanitarian aid, medical supplies or food to go through. Additionally, it's only America taking part, Cuba still has access to the rest of the world - China included. It's not a fucking naval blockade, we just don't allow US business with Cuba, in general. So the argument that what is happening is because of the embargo is ignorant at best and a blatant lie at worst. They've been under said embargo for half a century, why would it just now hit a fever pitch?
The embargo didn't work and needs to be deaded, that's true. But what's happening ain't the result of the embargo.
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
eh im not saying his regime was good as all movements can be weighed and debated but Im deflee not saying fuck castro
why you think so many predominantly (white) cubans that fled to mia to “escape communism” after castro took their slaves & redistributed their family’s land, helped get reagan & trump elected?
Mafuzzychef
Active Member
a nation gotta come out and say we stand with American Niggas, then prove it for shit like this to be our issue imo
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
any critique of cuba that works to disconnect its present crisis from the context of the embargo is bullshit and isnt even worth debating
lmao and american niggas gotta stop picking and choosing what matters to concern themselves with when all of this shit affects us here and throughout the diaspora
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AZTG
OG
Im with you that regimes can be weighed.
And youre right about the good Castro did too.
Bautistas govt before Castros was just as fucked up, if not more, than Castro.
Castro coming in and kicking out the imperial powers and then saying Cuba should be getting benefits from Cubas resources and not outsiders are right.
Im actually a 100% supporter of the Cuban revolution.
But then there is what happened after.
Due to being paranoid, and rightfully so because of US intervention, the Castro regime became an oppresive dictatorship.
First of all, being in charge for 70 years without elections is bullshit. But on top of that, you couldnt worship freely in Cuba, couldnt openly disagree with the govt, there wasnt and isnt any type of freedom of speech, and def no freedom of thought. The list goes on. Just until a few years ago gays were getting put in labor camps in Cuba.
Thats why its time for America to lift its illegal and inhumane embargo, and for the castro regime to resign and let people vote for the future of their country.
Nah Castro killing or trying to kill anyone who spoke out against him is some shit that shouldn't be agreed with under any circumstances.