Dwayne
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Didn’t she say she leg or arm was broke and didn’t want medical attention.
I can’t remember
Disney+ Marvel's The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
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Didn’t she say she leg or arm was broke and didn’t want medical attention.
I can’t remember
RozayTabernacle
The Bawse
I saw someone hypothesize that she's a skrull and that's why she didn't want medical attention, because her guts are different
757'sFinest
OG
Ain't enough hate in the world for one black man
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Rewatched the finale and now I feel like it's one if the weaker episodes of the series
In the first episode, “New World Order,” Sam declines to succeed Steve and returns his shield to the U.S. government. Sam is reluctant to appropriate a symbol that belongs—prohibitively, in Sam’s mind—to Steve. He also seems to doubt the political appetite for a Black Captain America, at one point even saying, “Every time I pick this [shield] up, I know there are millions of people out there who are going to hate me for it … No blond hair or blue eyes.” The series’ plot line means to show Sam rethinking his reluctance, overcoming his perceived inadequacy, reclaiming the shield, and redefining the role of Captain America.
Ultimately, though, that’s not quite what the series does.
Instead, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier discounts and debases Sam. Here’s a hero who fought alongside Rogers in the world’s darkest hours, an Avenger in his own right, and yet the series assumes that Sam’s own call sign and legacy as the Falcon doesn’t count for anything. Rather, the title Captain America counts for everything. Until he takes up the shield, Sam has no place in the pantheon or even the Smithsonian; he can’t even get a small business loan. At no point does Sam interpret this belittlement of his own identity and legacy as the ultimate disrespect. Instead, he gradually capitulates, and he doesn’t even make his selling out look good. By the season finale, Sam hasn’t become Captain America by overcoming some unique and urgent threat to national security or world peace. He’s a poor combat fighter who becomes Captain America after a shadowboxing montage in which he tosses the shield like a glorified frisbee among the trees in his backyard.
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Ultimately, though, that’s not quite what the series does.
Instead, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier discounts and debases Sam. Here’s a hero who fought alongside Rogers in the world’s darkest hours, an Avenger in his own right, and yet the series assumes that Sam’s own call sign and legacy as the Falcon doesn’t count for anything. Rather, the title Captain America counts for everything. Until he takes up the shield, Sam has no place in the pantheon or even the Smithsonian; he can’t even get a small business loan. At no point does Sam interpret this belittlement of his own identity and legacy as the ultimate disrespect. Instead, he gradually capitulates, and he doesn’t even make his selling out look good. By the season finale, Sam hasn’t become Captain America by overcoming some unique and urgent threat to national security or world peace. He’s a poor combat fighter who becomes Captain America after a shadowboxing montage in which he tosses the shield like a glorified frisbee among the trees in his backyard.
‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ Never Took Its Protagonist Seriously
The Marvel Cinematic Universe wanted Sam Wilson to become Captain America, but did ‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ ever believe that he deserved to be?
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Go Spurs Go!!
In the first episode, “New World Order,” Sam declines to succeed Steve and returns his shield to the U.S. government. Sam is reluctant to appropriate a symbol that belongs—prohibitively, in Sam’s mind—to Steve. He also seems to doubt the political appetite for a Black Captain America, at one point even saying, “Every time I pick this [shield] up, I know there are millions of people out there who are going to hate me for it … No blond hair or blue eyes.” The series’ plot line means to show Sam rethinking his reluctance, overcoming his perceived inadequacy, reclaiming the shield, and redefining the role of Captain America.
Ultimately, though, that’s not quite what the series does.
Instead, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier discounts and debases Sam. Here’s a hero who fought alongside Rogers in the world’s darkest hours, an Avenger in his own right, and yet the series assumes that Sam’s own call sign and legacy as the Falcon doesn’t count for anything. Rather, the title Captain America counts for everything. Until he takes up the shield, Sam has no place in the pantheon or even the Smithsonian; he can’t even get a small business loan. At no point does Sam interpret this belittlement of his own identity and legacy as the ultimate disrespect. Instead, he gradually capitulates, and he doesn’t even make his selling out look good. By the season finale, Sam hasn’t become Captain America by overcoming some unique and urgent threat to national security or world peace. He’s a poor combat fighter who becomes Captain America after a shadowboxing montage in which he tosses the shield like a glorified frisbee among the trees in his backyard.
‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ Never Took Its Protagonist Seriously
The Marvel Cinematic Universe wanted Sam Wilson to become Captain America, but did ‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ ever believe that he deserved to be?
DAMN
they roasted the hell outta Sam in the excerpt you posted.
The big problem with this dramatic tension is that society and politics (beyond a couple senators and diplomats) don’t exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe; it’s hard to pin down who, exactly, objects to regarding Sam as Captain America. The biggest detractor in Sam’s pathway to promotion isn’t any particular white person, but rather the old Black man Bradley, who believes the title and its patriotic obligations to be more trouble than they’re worth.
A more daring series might have emboldened Sam to decline the title and honor Rogers by forging his own legacy, with his own principles, under his own name. Such a series might have dared the U.S. to take the Falcon on his own terms, earning his sacrifices and thus doing right by Isaiah. Instead, Isaiah gets a statue at a museum exhibit dedicated to him, and Sam gets to relinquish his own heroic identity so he can become a glorified mascot. That’s the problem with entrusting this sort of civil rights empowerment fantasy to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, isn’t it? Sam Wilson has to be Captain America, and that’s that. His own call sign gets erased from the title of his own show. The Falcon’s own legacy meant nothing. Isaiah was right
Yikes, that was a damning analysis of the finale and series as a whole.
Yikes, that was a damning analysis of the finale and series as a whole.
#1hiphopjunki3
Go Spurs Go!!
I think they did a good job of conveying that he knew how the world would feel about him being Captain America. Not too mention the bullshit that politician did when Sam turned in the shield thinking it would be in the Smithsonian exhibition.
of course some folks could look at what the politician did as more so having a person they (thought but was misguided) can control instead of it being a race.
I do agree with your premise that it wasn’t overtly spoken or beaten into the viewers mind but they definitely touched on white privilege (John Walker was the epitome of it throughout the whole damn show) and a lot of black folks subconscious fear of not being acceptable to the masses. When I say masses I’m not just talking about white people either. Shit, they touched on how black folks look at each other (especially folks in leadership or authority positions) also in the show.
I thought the ending could have been better but I appreciated what they were trying to do with the show because it took guts in this medium to try and speak on some of the issues they did. Could they have dug deeper, for sure.
#1hiphopjunki3
Go Spurs Go!!
Ah damn, I thought you wrote the other post and this. LMAO.
I get where they are coming from 100% but I still think they expected too much from this like I stated in my other response and they under played some of the stuff the show touched on.
RozayTabernacle
The Bawse
lmao that's a bit much. all that because he doesn't go by Falcon anymore?
My issue with the finale was they threw pacing and character development out the window lol. The Power Broker reveal fell flat imo (not that it was revealed to be Sharon cause that became obvious after a few episodes, just the way it happened). Walker's redemption arc in the finale happened rather quickly for a guy who tried to kill Sam in the previous episode
#1hiphopjunki3
Go Spurs Go!!
I agree with you 100%
In the first episode, “New World Order,” Sam declines to succeed Steve and returns his shield to the U.S. government. Sam is reluctant to appropriate a symbol that belongs—prohibitively, in Sam’s mind—to Steve. He also seems to doubt the political appetite for a Black Captain America, at one point even saying, “Every time I pick this [shield] up, I know there are millions of people out there who are going to hate me for it … No blond hair or blue eyes.” The series’ plot line means to show Sam rethinking his reluctance, overcoming his perceived inadequacy, reclaiming the shield, and redefining the role of Captain America.
Ultimately, though, that’s not quite what the series does.
Instead, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier discounts and debases Sam. Here’s a hero who fought alongside Rogers in the world’s darkest hours, an Avenger in his own right, and yet the series assumes that Sam’s own call sign and legacy as the Falcon doesn’t count for anything. Rather, the title Captain America counts for everything. Until he takes up the shield, Sam has no place in the pantheon or even the Smithsonian; he can’t even get a small business loan. At no point does Sam interpret this belittlement of his own identity and legacy as the ultimate disrespect. Instead, he gradually capitulates, and he doesn’t even make his selling out look good. By the season finale, Sam hasn’t become Captain America by overcoming some unique and urgent threat to national security or world peace. He’s a poor combat fighter who becomes Captain America after a shadowboxing montage in which he tosses the shield like a glorified frisbee among the trees in his backyard.
‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ Never Took Its Protagonist Seriously
The Marvel Cinematic Universe wanted Sam Wilson to become Captain America, but did ‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ ever believe that he deserved to be?
Fuck Bill Simmons and The Ringer
That's their 2nd hating ass story.
CeLLar-DooR
OG
I can't fuckin' wait til the characters get wind of the Skrulls and no one can trust anyone
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Not gonna lie, some pretty good points are being made in these analyses