Old Man Cain
OG
that goes back to region and not bias.
I grew up on nothing but Westcoast and NY rap only
Also i'm straight up from the country with pop. of 965 people
Let's talk about how "Eastcoast Bias" was never real
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I grew up on nothing but Westcoast and NY rap only
Also i'm straight up from the country with pop. of 965 people
I cant tell you what you heard, but I mostly heard I dont like such and such because I dont like the music not where they're from. But I hear the same shyt from other people not from the East though. On the old forum there was plenty of cats dissing Mobb Deep but call Eastcoast bias when someone called Project Pat or E 40 wack.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
lol Makes sense now.
Bruh, you just invalidated your own statement. You, a person from the South, grew up supporting artists from outside of your region. For a long time, a lot of people from the East refused to support anyone that wasn't from their region. Remember, how big Skew It on the Bar-B was. It was crazy because it was one of the first times a major NYC artist even worked with someone from the South and Outkast was three album deep at that point.
Like I said, I'm not talking about like or not like. I'm talking about how most people up there basically dismissed a lot of what dropped outside of the region. that really didn't change until prominent artists in the East started collaborating with artists from other regions.
So when niggas say shyt like we not trying to hear that boom bap shyt or thats too eastcoast etc are they being biased?
Old Man Cain
OG
Not as all...... I'm older than most of you so when I was coming up there was no artist from my region till later.
ATL started pushing MC Shy D and FLA had Luke besides that those areas didn't really start pushing anything after NWA blew up. Then that's when people knew their regional artist could move units then are radio start pushing area artist.
I'm very right with what I'm saying here guys lol trust me
Are they dismissing an artist simply based on where they're from or the style of music? Because that boom bap sound may have started in NY but it was perfected by a producer from the south and rappers from all over use it.
Well usually Boom Bap came from the Eastcoast and that producer from the South studied Marley Marl so that was pointless. But yea my dude, when cats was dissing boom bap they didnt mention rappers from any other region so I think you know what I'm talking about and people not from the east are just as bias
Soul_Rattler
Active Member
I think your argument proves East coast bias.
The idea that you have to be as incredibly and rare as Kanye, Outkast, and Dre to be considered noteworthy. If they were from NY with even half the talent, it'd be like "Well duh they're from NY of course they're phenomenal"
I hate to disrespect but there's more than a few NY artists and producers that wouldn't have made a peep if they were from anywhere other than the east coast. Especially the rappers.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
If they are dismissing it without even giving it a chance because its from the east coast, then yeah, that's being biased.
If they've given that style a try and decided it's not for them, then no, that's not being biased.
The conversation is stupid.
Am I biased because I wouldn't give an Australian rapper a chance?
How about if I wouldn't give a Russian rapper a chance?
What if I wouldn't give a Chinese rapper a chance?
I'd be willing to bet that nobody on this message board has anything from any Australian, Russian or Chinese rappers on any of their playlists.
Is that being biased? Yes it is being biased.
My point is that there's nothing wrong with being biased. I don't want to hear any Chinese rap and if that's biased then fuck it, I'm biased.
Having said that, give me some Notorious BIG, Dipset, Jay Z, Nas, Wu Tang and I'm good.
Am I biased because I wouldn't give an Australian rapper a chance?
How about if I wouldn't give a Russian rapper a chance?
What if I wouldn't give a Chinese rapper a chance?
I'd be willing to bet that nobody on this message board has anything from any Australian, Russian or Chinese rappers on any of their playlists.
Is that being biased? Yes it is being biased.
My point is that there's nothing wrong with being biased. I don't want to hear any Chinese rap and if that's biased then fuck it, I'm biased.
Having said that, give me some Notorious BIG, Dipset, Jay Z, Nas, Wu Tang and I'm good.
Then that would be an example of bias. Nobody every said that other regions aren't also biased because I've also seen and heard folks from the south say they don't like east coast rap for stupid reasons too...but this thread ain't about that it's about east coast bias so...
For all the people that say ther was an eastcoast bias, If or when did it end?
@The Lonious Monk keep saying artist & DJ's said there was a bias where was it at? Cuz there was numerous collabs between NY artist and artist from the South, Midwest, and Westcoast from the mid to late 90's.
Maybe those ones that said there was a bias wasn't fukn wit artist from other place. But plenty of artist and people was.
@The Lonious Monk keep saying artist & DJ's said there was a bias where was it at? Cuz there was numerous collabs between NY artist and artist from the South, Midwest, and Westcoast from the mid to late 90's.
Maybe those ones that said there was a bias wasn't fukn wit artist from other place. But plenty of artist and people was.
There is an East Coast bias. The reason those East Coast artist did collabs with Southern and West Coast artists was to appeal to a broader market.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
That's basically what I've been saying. Around the mid 90s is when it began to shift, and that was because you started to see NYC artists collaborate more.
Lol, thats my thing why is this a discussion if other mofos have been just as biased. I never hear or heard eastcoast rappers or fans complain about getting play or respect from anywhere but yet threads like these have popped up for years. Cain is debunking that myth.
Old Man Cain
OG
Not at all. Take Jay Z and UGK for instance. Jay wanted UGK on the Big Pimpin song because he listened to them in his travels. Bun B was down for it because he listened to NY artists BUT Pimp hated all NY rap and he didn't want to have anything to do with the record.
Bun even said it forever to get Pimp on the record. After getting on the record it opened up UGK to the masses and their biggest commercial success ever.
With that said the biased person was the Southern cat not NY cat.
But alot of the not collaborating could be attributed to the time period. Acts back then mostly worked w/ artist in their immediate circle. Weather they were from NYC, the South, or West.
Big_Ev
Mr. Brick City
Growing up in Jersey doing that era, it was an East Coast bias. Not many different regions we’re getting played on Hot 97. It was really rare. New York underground was getting played at the beginning but that faded too (that is another story in itself). Unless you were getting played on a college station or Stretch and Bobitio and you were from somewhere else. 8 times out of 10, you were not getting played.
Old Man Cain
OG
That wouldn't be considered bias if I don't understand your language I'll gravitate to those I can understand what they're saying.
In those countries case we (US) created hip-hop so for them to hear it they have specifically check for us
Also by the mid 90's you started to see artist from all regions collab with other regions. Wasn't just NYC artist.