DIDDYWATCH: Howard U. revokes honorary degree

[The Lonious Monk]

Ima tell you and I want you to keep an open mind instead of trying to see where I’m wrong.

How morality isn’t real and is a social construct

A social construct is a concept that exists not in objective reality, but as a result of human interaction.

Yall are making it a big deal that this girl was 17, in other places girls much younger are sold into marriage. By people who don’t see it morally wrong. Morally wrong to you, because it’s not apart of your moral social construct based on where you have grown up.

To them, your objection to this is morally wrong, that’s their social construct.

Back in the days in which this happened, groupies of all ages pursued entertainers who used them for what groupies are used for. 17 back then is not viewed at that same severity of the moral construct of 17 right now.

These men who were by your morals already morally effy, didn’t take that age at the serious as you are now, and did what they do with groupies. These groupies, yes, at that age knew what they were getting into.

Even if they didn’t understand the long term ramifications of it, put their well being in the hands of people they knew didn’t value them. Because what they got out of it was enough for them at that time.

Is it morally wrong now, in the grand scheme that men took advantage of that impressionable women. Absolutely, was it a gang rape? That’s a tremendous charge.

In your moral construct, was it statutory by law, absolutely, in the time that it happened, was that issue pressed like it should’ve been, no.

If this happens yesterday with how things are morally strewn today, absolutely gang statutory rape if anything even if consensual, can you make the same case with how things were back then, absolutely

Would it be widely seen by those who participated In it at that time was that much of a morally reprehensible act, no.

That is why morality isn’t a real thing, it’s based on the views of the people who have them, and not on objective facts.

Its not to say we shouldn’t adhere to morals, it’s to say don’t apply the morals of today to the situations of yesteryear

Cause when you do that, we all have shit to answer for, and ignorance could never be used as an excuse. We were all ignorant at some point.

This like the first time I actually bothered to read one of your posts. You make a good point. Morality kinda works on a sliding scale. A lot of the time it's influenced by access to more knowledge. Back in the distant past, it was nothing for dudes to have sex with 9 or 10 year olds because to them, the sign of a girl being ready for sex was her having a period. Now, most of us would find that disgusting. That's due in large part because we understand better that a period doesn't stop a girl from being a child. There are many other indicators of maturity that must be considered. On top of that, there's the fact that people routinely live to 70+ in America, which means we don't have to rush things as much. 16 years old in a society where the average life expectancy is 75 is different than 16 years old in a society where the average life expectancy is 35. A lot of morality is relative and dependent on circumstances, which is why I do think it's unfair when we try to judge the actions of people in the past by modern standards.

That said. Some shit is just wrong, and people understood that even when it wasn't illegal, and a morality shift of 30 years shouldn't be treated like its 300 years. Maybe 30 years, a 30 y/o man fucking a 17 y/o wasn't seen through the same lens as it is today. That could be true. However, even back then, a bunch of grown men gangbanging a chick that was still in high school was still seen as some scumbag shit.

 

[ImaInfluenza]

This like the first time I actually bothered to read one of your posts. You make a good point. Morality kinda works on a sliding scale. A lot of the time it's influenced by access to more knowledge. Back in the distant past, it was nothing for dudes to have sex with 9 or 10 year olds because to them, the sign of a girl being ready for sex was her having a period. Now, most of us would find that disgusting. That's due in large part because we understand better that a period doesn't stop a girl from being a child. There are many other indicators of maturity that must be considered. On top of that, there's the fact that people routinely live to 70+ in America, which means we don't have to rush things as much. 16 years old in a society where the average life expectancy is 75 is different than 16 years old in a society where the average life expectancy is 35. A lot of morality is relative and dependent on circumstances, which is why I do think it's unfair when we try to judge the actions of people in the past by modern standards.

That said. Some shit is just wrong, and people understood that even when it wasn't illegal, and a morality shift of 30 years shouldn't be treated like its 300 years. Maybe 30 years, a 30 y/o man fucking a 17 y/o wasn't seen through the same lens as it is today. That could be true. However, even back then, a bunch of grown men gangbanging a chick that was still in high school was still seen as some scumbag shit.

Based on your morals

 

[SeaSnake]

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Today a 18 year old having sexual relationship with a 15 is jail time and registration as a sexual predator..

See how moral constructs work? You think there’s nothing wrong with it but by law there is

And it would be prosecuted today because of todays moral construct but ignored in yesteryears because of their moral construct even tho it’s always against the law

N is Tim realizing the point of this post. You’re convinced I don’t know how it is and think I don’t know these things. Literally telling g me what I already know man thanks

 

[ImaInfluenza]

Yo why yall niggaz argue shit to death and when finally force to confront that another nigga right, instead y’all be like, I been knew that

then what the fuck we talking bout

 

[The Lonious Monk]

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Based on your morals

Based on the general moral compass of the society we live in. At the end of the day, you can live in America and point out that something that is taboo in America might be more accepted in other countries. If you live in America, that shit is irrelevant. You have to abide by the moral confines of your surroundings at least when laws are involved.

 

[SeaSnake]

So like telling me morals in some cases were more loose or more restricted serves no point here.

 

[ImaInfluenza]

Based on the general moral compass of the society we live in. At the end of the day, you can live in America and point out that something that is taboo in America might be more accepted in other countries. If you live in America, that shit is irrelevant. You have to abide by the moral confines of your surroundings at least when laws are involved.

Then why barely legal porn exist and why so much cheerleader porn exist and why were highschool cheerleaders a sexual archetype in so many movies for so many years, if the mere thought was reprehensible fam?

 

[ImaInfluenza]

So like telling me morals in some cases were more loose or more restricted serves no point here.

Aight b

 

[SeaSnake]

Yo why yall niggaz argue shit to death and when finally force to confront that another nigga right, instead y’all be like, I been knew that

then what the fuck we talking bout

lol bruh again I’ve stated on this topic and other similar numerous times just because it was cool in 1985 does not mean it’s cool today and those mindsets lead to problems that you admit exist. You just went in a round about way to tell me the same thing like you knew something new. My point has always been those old ways were bad for a reason. Your point is “well it wasn’t always bad” what we doing here man?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Then why barely legal porn exist and why so much cheerleader porn exist and why were highschool cheerleaders a sexual archetype in so many movies for so many years, if the mere thought is reprehensible fam?

Why do people rob, rape, and murder even though all three are illegal and believed to be vile actions? The activities of members on the fringe of society don't define the moral compass of the society.

 

[SeaSnake]

Then why barely legal porn exist and why so much cheerleader porn exist and why were highschool cheerleaders a sexual archetype in so many movies for so many years, if the mere thought was reprehensible fam?

Because we live in a highly perverse society where the things we aren’t supposed to do are attractive. I’m sure you knew that already. Does that mean I should go sleep with real high school cheerleaders? No.

 

[ImaInfluenza]

lol bruh again I’ve stated on this topic and other similar numerous times just because it was cool in 1985 does not mean it’s cool today and those mindsets lead to problems that you admit exist. You just went in a round about way to tell me the same thing like you knew something new. My point has always been those old ways were bad for a reason. Your point is “well it wasn’t always bad” what we doing here man?

I did not say it wasn’t always bad

Once again

Do you think that those men actively realized in the moment at that time in those conditions that what they were doing is absolutely reprehensible gang rape

Or were they young men of the time and was she an active participant of young men at that time

Making both of them and all of the parties involved victims of the moment

If so..to prosecute that now based on now, is dangerous

 

[ImaInfluenza]

Because we live in a highly perverse society where the things we aren’t supposed to do are attractive. I’m sure you knew that already. Does that mean I should go sleep with real high school cheerleaders? No.

Morally it would be wrong to you because of your current morals, framed by interactions that have made it wrong..a, moral construct

What part of this are yall not getting

 

[SeaSnake]

I did not say it wasn’t always bad

Once again

Do you think that those men actively realized in the moment at that time in those conditions that what they were doing is absolutely reprehensible gang rape

Or where they young men of the time and was she an active participant of young men at that time

Making both of them and all of the parties involved victims of the moment

If so..to prosecute that now based on now, is dangerous

I definitely thing even in the 90s they knew better. It’s a reason jail bait was a slang term my guy. Yes they rationalized it because why not. But I don’t think any of them thought they were doing right. I think they just thought nothing will happen and until recently nothing did.

You can be judged by your past that’s part of life you can say ignorance but that’s not a valid excuse

 

[ImaInfluenza]

lol..



Aight., stop @‘ing me or quoting me in this shit yall

 

[SeaSnake]

Morally it would be wrong to you because of your current morals, framed by interactions that have made it wrong..a, moral construct

What part of this are yall not getting

I get it lol if you want to say sicial rules and cues don’t exist and are made up that’s fine. But you’re not breaking the social codes just to prove a point. We all live by so social or moral construct.

 

[SeaSnake]

Ap is always right abd I never listen

 

[ImaInfluenza]

Why do people rob, rape, and murder even though all three are illegal and believed to be vile actions? The activities of members on the fringe of society don't define the moral compass of the society.

Not what I said but ok, I think yall just won’t get it, so it’s cool dog

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Not what I said but ok, I think yall just won’t get it, so it’s cool dog

Did you not list examples of porn that some people liked that featured young chicks as some kinda proof that people didn't find the idea of actually gangbanging young chicks reprehensible? I'm pretty sure you did.

I just made the point that there are plenty of people who engage in wrong shit, that doesn't mean that the average person in that society doesn't believe it's wrong. Maybe you just won't get it.

 

[ImaInfluenza]

Did you not list examples of porn that some people liked that featured young chicks as some kinda proof that people didn't find the idea of actually gangbanging young chicks reprehensible? I'm pretty sure you did.

I just made the point that there are plenty of people who engage in wrong shit, that doesn't mean that the average person in that society doesn't believe it's wrong. Maybe you just won't get it.

It’s cool b, we good