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ABW Album Review Board (Pusha T - Daytona)

Sion said:
Nowhere in my post did I say it wasn't a classic album. I said it's a classic album. I said it's an excellent album. But again what defines a classic ? You said once that Carter 1 and 2 are classic albums and others would disagree. Point is that it's subjective.

Common's Be album is more relevant to the plight of the common man and black family structure than GRODT is. What's missing tho is that GRODT had a huge impact because of the hype and controversy surrounding it. Both were critically acclaimed but there's people who would be quick to write off Common or 50 Cent.

Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer won grammies over Big, Pac and Ice Cube in their primes. Would you say those two have classic albums or albums more influential than the aforementioned ?? We need to define what constitutes a classic and if so what is the minimum standard.
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You said it didn't have impact on the culture, when it's one of the most impactful albums of it's time. Those albums you named had impact and/or influence. Daytona has neither.
 
Thor said:
Album def aint a 4 or 5 star


Its very good (because of word play) but severely lacking (because of every song is exactly the same no difference)
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Santeria isn't like the other songs. Hard Piano is different from other tracks. What Would Meek Do? It's not like he's talking strictly about selling cocaine on every track
 
Infamous114 said:
Santeria isn't like the other songs. Hard Piano is different from other tracks. What Would Meek Do? It's not like he's talking strictly about selling cocaine on every track
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ITs about dope dealing on more than 70% of the album bruh. ans on Santeria it still has selling dope in it. He tried to tell a story but it was just ok.

And he had 1 verse on Hard Piano. Just talking shit.


Nothing special about the album but still very good. It is what is is
 
Sion said:
I said popular culture and I should have been more specific to say that there are albums that had a greater impact that are more talked about and put above it. The question isn't if it's a classic or not it is, the question now becomes tho what constitutes as a classic ?? And what's the minimum ???

Bun B Trill OG got 5 mics but can we say it impacted culture to the same degree as say OutKast's Stankonia ??

Drake dropped albums that warped social media and at will can change the the stratosphere of social media while selling out and conquering airwaves but people say Drake has so classics despite him having a tremendous impact but again what constitutes a classic ???? It's too hard to say fam
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You raise a good question that we should make a thread for, what constitutes as a classic album?

For me the album has to check off most of these:

Impactful
Influential
High Quality
Stand Out Single
Represent the time/era it was released

All of the albums we recognize as undisputed classics check off most of those, if not all. From Straight Outta Compton to College Dropout. U mentioned TPAB earlier. We can see how it influenced the game with the albums that followed. After that album dropped, we got 4:44, KOD, shit even Lemonade. It definitely represented the time with all the protesting, etc.

It takes more than just being good to be a classic album, imo.
 
Goldie said:
You raise a good question that we should make a thread for, what constitutes as a classic album?

For me the album has to check off most of these:

Impactful
Influential
High Quality
Stand Out Single
Represent the time/era it was released

All of the albums we recognize as undisputed classics check off most of those, if not all. From Straight Outta Compton to College Dropout. U mentioned TPAB earlier. We can see how it influenced the game with the albums that followed. After that album dropped, we got 4:44, KOD, shit even Lemonade. It definitely represented the time with all the protesting, etc.

It takes more than just being good to be a classic album, imo.
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Wait wait wait.

Lupe been making albums like that for a while
 
Thor said:
We talking sales or are talking music?

Site owner lol
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To be a classic hip hop album, it needs both imo.

My nigga down the block could be the illest rapper to ever live and have fire ass mixtapes, but is he a hip hop legend? hell nah. Impact and influence have to be in the criteria.
 
Goldie said:
To be a classic hip hop album, it needs both imo.

My nigga down the block could be the illest rapper to ever live and have fire ass mixtapes, but is he a hip hop legend? hell nah. Impact and influence have to be in the criteria.
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Influence and sales don’t really gon hand and hand
 
Sion said:
You're an idiot.

Why is Damn. A classic Thor ?

And why isn't TPAB a classic ? And I'll bet you skimmed TPAB and couldn't explain to me what that album was about or what the underlying theme of the album was....
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LMAO

Dont disrespect with that BS

Kendrick is top 5for me and the impact from DAMN is greater from a pure music standpoint alone. Thats not even counting the movement he inspiring with it.

That album was put together Perfectly, from stories to culture. Its not one track on TPAB better than any track on DAMN in every category

The of TPAB is similar to DAMN but DAMN is done so much better in every way
 
DAMN was so big that they repackaged the album with the same fuckin tracks, just backwards.... And mfs actually went out and bought that shit again.

Every single song was on album was on the charts.
 
Yea i aint even wasting my time responding to "tpab" didn't have impact on the culture lol

I'm down to have a real debate, but cmon fam



Sion said:
Make the thread cuz that's very interesting and it'd be good to read responses from everyone.

Here's an interesting observation tho, based on those metrics:

Drake's Take Care
ScHoolBoy Q Blankface LP
Pusha T MNIMN
Kanye West Yeezus
N.O.R.E album

All pass those with flying colours but are they classics ?

Conversely Ultramagnetic MCs never went gold, 8ball and MJG Coming Out Hard never went gold, Gangstarr didn't go gold until their 5th album, there's a lot of artists who have classics but never sold a lot of records as well.
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Critical Breakdown came out during a time when rap wasn't "pop culture", so it's impact and influence isn't gonna be as recognizable as what Kendrick is doing today cuz rap is way more mainstream. Rakim, NWA, etc went on and continued to leave a mark on the culture where as Ultra.. didn't drop another album till about 4 years later and dwindled out. So it's easy for casual fans to not even recognize them or their classic album.

Coming out hard is a regional classic imo, not a hiphop classic. Gangstarr pretty much = premo, and when we think of east coast production it's him who we think of, which goes back to influence.


I can write a full breakdown on how Take Care influenced the game and birthed a bunch of Drake Jr's.

Blankface, MNIMN and Yeezus didn't influence anything.

The N.O.R.E album pretty much put the Neptunes sound on the map, has a stand out hit single, "banned from tv" was in the FINALS of our greatest hiphop posse cut of alltime, etc.


It's late, but i'm down to continue this debate tomorrow. I'll move these posts and make a thread specifically for it.
 
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