NBA Ratings Up This Season!

#1hiphopjunki3 said:
I loved what Chiney said in the clip posted.

I hear where Stephen A. Smith is coming from, but he is definitely being disingenuous if he doesn't think that his and other media platforms don't assist in shaping some if not a lot of folks mindset on things they casually consume.....

Chiney hit the ball out of the park by talking about the analysis part when it comes to the coverage of the NBA. I feel that it's big time lacking in that department. I remember back in the day when they used to have former players come on shows and actually show a few plays to get people open shots and how to defend it. That used to be a regular thing, or the different ways players set defenses up to get to their comfortable spots on the floor or to get their signature moves off. How each team's defense is so effective or why certain teams are not using their talent in the most optimal way. Stuff like what I just posted is so rare with NBA coverage these days. Even Adam Silver pointed that out last season I believe.

It seems like a lot of the folks covering the league on these sports shows aren't as knowledgeable and tend to speak on surface level stuff. The guests they get to come on are usually out spoken former players who also don't bring (or are told not to) more detailed analysis. I understand the networks want ratings and views and the type of stuff i'm pointing out may be boring to most casual fans, but there needs to be more balance. On the major networks the coverage of the league these days is more about drama, reasons why the league is worse than it was in the past, and top 10 list. If they just sprinkle a little more details into the conversation without all the bullshit it would greatly assist
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I think what Kenny does on inside the NBA at halftime when he runs to the board is an excellent example of this
 
I think what Channing Frye said is a huge part of it too. We've now had basically 2 generations of NBA fans and players growing up being told that in no way at all will anybody ever be better than MJ and the only thing that matters is rings. So now that's reflected in how players play, decisions they make and how the game is covered. It leads to a lack of appreciation for the current game because it's always compared to the past instead of being appreciated for what it is now.
 
O.G. said:
Media could help by not talking about MVP races and Title contenders so early in the season. It kinda gives off a vibe that if you're not a MVP candidate or don't play for a contender that you are irrelevant.
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I love the efficiency landscape posts but why are power rankings a thing in the NBA

And I hate "if the playoffs started today" discussion

It's December, relax
 
Another thing that is ridiculous is the way a lot of the media coverage mainly focuses on the major media markets and consistently puts out information that every star player will force a move to these markets.

Bob Myers, on one of the NBA telecasts pointed out on national television to Stephen A. Smith that they were covering two totally different teams than the Knicks who weren’t even playing the night of the ESPN game because Stephen just brought them up. Lmao.

These media personalities didn’t used to be so blatantly one sided on air or in print and if they were they would be called out about it and looked at as hacks.

My have times changed. 🤦🏾‍♂️
 
Like when people say folks get on TV saying anything they're talking about shit like this. This nigga Keyshawn Johnson literally said he's never seen LeBron dunking on somebody. I wouldn't wanna be bothered with that nonsense either

 
I'll say, I do get tired of seeing older cats on there whose complaints boil down to "It's not 80s or 90s basketball anymore." It's legit for them to dislike today's game for that reason. It's not legit try and present that as an objective reason for why the game is failing. The game is different. At some point, people have to accept that.

That said, Lebron whining about the criticism is par for the course. It's just more of him being his insufferable self. That said, these people acting like superstars were never criticized in the past. Everyone watched the Last Dance. They literally showed the headlines calling MJ a ball hog and saying he was just a score despite making the All Defense second team, and saying he'd never win a championship as the scoring leader, and accusing him of having a part to play in his father's death. Sure, todays social media and 24 hour news cycle might make the prominence of the criticism worse, but player critiques didn't just start this century.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I'll say, I do get tired of seeing older cats on there whose complaints boil down to "It's not 80s or 90s basketball anymore." It's legit for them to dislike today's game for that reason. It's not legit try and present that as an objective reason for why the game is failing. The game is different. At some point, people have to accept that.

That said, Lebron whining about the criticism is par for the course. It's just more of him being his insufferable self. That said, these people acting like superstars were never criticized in the past. Everyone watched the Last Dance. They literally showed the headlines calling MJ a ball hog and saying he was just a score despite making the All Defense second team, and saying he'd never win a championship as the scoring leader, and accusing him of having a part to play in his father's death. Sure, todays social media and 24 hour news cycle might make the prominence of the criticism worse, but player critiques didn't just start this century.
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If that's what you took away from what he said then you heard something different from the vast majority of people. All the man said was he gets why somebody wouldn't want that responsibility. Thats part of the problem. Theres a segment of fans who take a players saying anything other than a 100% glowing review of things as whining.
 
BlackRain said:
If that's what you took away from what he said then you heard something different from the vast majority of people. All the man said was he gets why somebody wouldn't want that responsibility. Thats part of the problem. Theres a segment of fans who take a players saying anything other than a 100% glowing review of things as whining.
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lol Are you being serious? His exact words were:

"Why do you wanna be the face of a league when all the people that cover our game and talk about our game on a day-to-day basis s--- on everybody?"
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He then went onto say that he agreed with everything Channing Frye said. Half of Channing Frye's rant was about media and others constantly bashing today's players.

If you don't understand my takeaway from his statement, I don't don't know what to tell you. lol

Ya'll Lebron fans are approaching MAGA cult level with the mental gymnastics you pull to defend your guy.
 
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The Lonious Monk said:
lol Are you being serious? His exact words were:



He then went onto say that he agreed with everything Channing Frye said. Half of Channing Frye's rant was about media and others constantly bashing today's players.

If you don't understand my takeaway from his statement, I don't don't know what to tell you. lol

Ya'll Lebron fans are approaching MAGA cult level with the mental gymnastics you pull to defend your guy.
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That 1st part he answered the question. Ain't like he just said it unprompted. This is what I mean by having an issue with athletes not giving 100% glowing reviews all the time. He literally said what many fans main complaint is, and you're saying he's whining.

And the reaction by SAS proved him right. Even some commentators have agreed the constant criticism has gone too far. So if this is something that people seem to generally agree on, why are you taking issue with LeBron also agreeing? Is your issue your dislike of LeBron or what he actually said? Because if that's the case then you've got an issue with a good portion of NBA fans too
 
The problem with the "everybody shits on the players all the time" is it is a by product of the fact that there's far more people commentating on the game today than in the past. Add in that with how people have criticized the game with silly ass stats like "clutch time under 2 min on the road playing in red shoes" and it's easy to see why the sheer volume along with the nature and content of some of the criticisms jumps the shark.
 
BlackRain said:
That 1st part he answered the question. Ain't like he just said it unprompted. This is what I mean by having an issue with athletes not giving 100% glowing reviews all the time. He literally said what many fans main complaint is, and you're saying he's whining.
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Ok, what's your point? Yes, the fact that Lebron of all people would take that stance comes off as whining to me given that he's got a propaganda team that would make most politicians blush working overtime to make sure that he's constantly praised across all media outlets. As I pointed out, the face of the league has always been subject to harsh criticism. Lebron is the first in that position that I've ever heard make a comment like this.

BlackRain said:
And the reaction by SAS proved him right. Even some commentators have agreed the constant criticism has gone too far. So if this is something that people seem to generally agree on, why are you taking issue with LeBron also agreeing? Is your issue your dislike of LeBron or what he actually said? Because if that's the case then you've got an issue with a good portion of NBA fans too
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lol Most of the people that agree that the criticisms have gone too far are Lebron supporters. It's not at all something that's generally agreed on. In fact, the only people I see agree with the take are Lebron supporters.

BlackRain said:
The problem with the "everybody shits on the players all the time" is it is a by product of the fact that there's far more people commentating on the game today than in the past. Add in that with how people have criticized the game with silly ass stats like "clutch time under 2 min on the road playing in red shoes" and it's easy to see why the sheer volume along with the nature and content of some of the criticisms jumps the shark.
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I agree with this.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Ok, what's your point? Yes, the fact that Lebron of all people would take that stance comes off as whining to me given that he's got a propaganda team that would make most politicians blush working overtime to make sure that he's constantly praised across all media outlets. As I pointed out, the face of the league has always been subject to harsh criticism. Lebron is the first in that position that I've ever heard make a comment like this.



lol Most of the people that agree that the criticisms have gone too far are Lebron supporters. It's not at all something that's generally agreed on. In fact, the only people I see agree with the take are Lebron supporters.



I agree with this.
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You realize you just said all of that to agree with the pov of the criticism going too far. So your issue is more your dislike of LeBron. Calling somebody a "LeBron supporter" as if it's some allegiance and it means being anti something else. It's a general consensus among a good number of NBA fans not just LeBron James and it's been a consistent topic for a while now with Inside The NBA and First Take catching the most heat. Also since you brought up The Last Dance then you should know and remember that part of what MJ said drove him to his 1st retirement was what again? The outside pressures of being the face of the league wearing on him.

Did you even see the full clip from what you quoted? Because the nigga said that criticism comes with the territory. Its just understandable why somebody wouldn't want it. Nigga said a logical statement about how some people admittedly don't want extra pressure put on them, but because you don't like him you're taking something you're agreeing with and painting it as bad because he said it.

And that is part of that problem with some of the coverage. People letting their personal feelings color how they talk about the game and the players. Even when they say and do stuff they agree with.
 
BlackRain said:
You realize you just said all of that to agree with the pov of the criticism going too far. So your issue is more your dislike of LeBron. Calling somebody a "LeBron supporter" as if it's some allegiance and it means being anti something else. It's a general consensus among a good number of NBA fans not just LeBron James and it's been a consistent topic for a while now with Inside The NBA and First Take catching the most heat.

Did you even see the full clip from what you quoted? Because the nigga said that criticism comes with the territory. Its just understandable why somebody wouldn't want it. Nigga said a logical statement about how some people admittedly don't want extra pressure put on them, but because you don't like him you're taking something you're agreeing with and painting it as bad because he said it.

And that is part of that problem with some of the coverage. People letting their personal feelings color how they talk about the game and the players. Even when they say and do stuff they agree with.
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No, I don't believe that the criticism has gone too far. I do agree with the fact that the that the modern landscape has increased the number of voices that can be heard giving that criticism. I'm not 100% against the players on this. I said that in my first post. I do understand that it's probably annoying that the stream of commentary never stops, but that goes for the praise too. If KD makes one of his bitchy statements, there will be people that shit on him for it. There will also be a bunch of people who cosign and boost him up for it. That's just the way the world works.

As I said, my problem with Lebron making that comment is that he's the one person that absolutely doesn't get shitted on more than praised, at least not by the media. Even people like SAS or Broussard, that occasionally criticize him, never do so without putting that criticism in a compliment sandwich.

Now unlike some other people, I actually don't have a problem with what Edwards said. If he just wants to ball and leave it at that, that's fine. But I bet he won't turn down the endorsements and all the extra money that comes with them pushing him as the face.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
No, I don't believe that the criticism has gone too far. I do agree with the fact that the that the modern landscape has increased the number of voices that can be heard giving that criticism. I'm not 100% against the players on this. I said that in my first post. I do understand that it's probably annoying that the stream of commentary never stops, but that goes for the praise too. If KD makes one of his bitchy statements, there will be people that shit on him for it. There will also be a bunch of people who cosign and boost him up for it. That's just the way the world works.

As I said, my problem with Lebron making that comment is that he's the one person that absolutely doesn't get shitted on more than praised, at least not by the media. Even people like SAS or Broussard, that occasionally criticize him, never do so without putting that criticism in a compliment sandwich.

Now unlike some other people, I actually don't have a problem with what Edwards said. If he just wants to ball and leave it at that, that's fine. But I bet he won't turn down the endorsements and all the extra money that comes with them pushing him as the face.
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The coverage of LeBron is one of the main reasons the "rings over everything" argument has run much of the media discourse in how the league overall has been covered. And there definitely was a point where the Bron coverage jumped the shark in terms of what he was being criticized for. Especially when he was with the Heat and you had Skip Bayless yelling on TV everyday making up topics to discuss. As much as you and many others dislike him, the way he's been covered has led to much of what people dislike about current coverage of the league.

And again if you don't have an issue with what Edwards said, you taking issue with LeBron saying he simply understands it shows you just don't like that nigga. And that same personal dislike of players bleeding into commentary on the league combined with the increased volume is what has gone too far.
 
BlackRain said:
The coverage of LeBron is one of the main reasons the "rings over everything" argument has run much of the media discourse in how the league overall has been covered. And there definitely was a point where the Bron coverage jumped the shark in terms of what he was being criticized for. Especially when he was with the Heat and you had Skip Bayless yelling on TV everyday making up topics to discuss. As much as you and many others dislike him, the way he's been covered has led to much of what people dislike about current coverage of the league.
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lol The "rings over everything" argument has not run the narrative. If it did, you wouldn't have so many prominent voices in the sports media crowning Lebron as the GOAT despite him not having more rings than players like MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, or Duncan. It is a common point brought up by MJ supporters in the debate, but no moreso than Lebron going to 10 Finals in a row by the Broniacs.

Yes, Bron caught some heat after The Decision and yes, Skip Bayless targetted him unfairly in the past. What does any of that have to do with now when there are 10 people in the media glazing Bron for every Skip Bayless. Hell, even Skip stopped going hard at him like that. Also, as I said before, the only people I even see complaining about how the game is covered are Lebron supporters, so of course they agree with him. lol

And again if you don't have an issue with what Edwards said, you taking issue with LeBron saying he simply understands it shows you just don't like that nigga. And that same personal dislike of players bleeding into commentary on the league combined with the increased volume is what has gone too far.
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You're not making sense here. Me not having a problem with Ant not wanting to be the face of the league and me believe Lebron was whining have nothing to do with each other. No, I don't like Lebron. Everyone here knows that, but that's not the reason I said he was whining. I specifically said, he's not the one that should be making that comment when the coverage around him is overwhelmingly positive.

The economy is rough out here these days. I have no interest in hearing Elon Musk or Jeff Besos speak on that topic.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
lol The "rings over everything" argument has not run the narrative. If it did, you wouldn't have so many prominent voices in the sports media crowning Lebron as the GOAT despite him not having more rings than players like MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, or Duncan. It is a common point brought up by MJ supporters in the debate, but no moreso than Lebron going to 10 Finals in a row by the Broniacs.

Yes, Bron caught some heat after The Decision and yes, Skip Bayless targetted him unfairly in the past. What does any of that have to do with now when there are 10 people in the media glazing Bron for every Skip Bayless. Hell, even Skip stopped going hard at him like that. Also, as I said before, the only people I even see complaining about how the game is covered are Lebron supporters, so of course they agree with him. lol



You're not making sense here. Me not having a problem with Ant not wanting to be the face of the league and me believe Lebron was whining have nothing to do with each other. No, I don't like Lebron. Everyone here knows that, but that's not the reason I said he was whining. I specifically said, he's not the one that should be making that comment when the coverage around him is overwhelmingly positive.

The economy is rough out here these days. I have no interest in hearing Elon Musk or Jeff Besos speak on that topic.
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There's still many very prominent people who place Bron under MJ and Kobe due to the rings. Due to "Steph got rings on his watch" and other silly shit people make up. The coverage now is more positive, but you'd be lying if you said it's been that way the majority of his career. As someone who spent a good portion of that 20 years hating that nigga it was not at all. So you expecting him to deny the reality of his entire career and how he's been covered isn't sensible at all.

And if all he said was he understood the pov how is that him making the same commentary. In that same interview you conveniently left out how he said he embraced the role and what came with it. He can just see why somebody else wouldn't. That's the opposite of whining. And you leaving that out isnwhy I said you're letting your dislike color how you're reading what he said because you blatantly missed the parts that contradict your pov.
 
BlackRain said:
There's still many very prominent people who place Bron under MJ and Kobe due to the rings. Due to "Steph got rings on his watch" and other silly shit people make up. The coverage now is more positive, but you'd be lying if you said it's been that way the majority of his career. As someone who spent a good portion of that 20 years hating that nigga it was not at all. So you expecting him to deny the reality of his entire career and how he's been covered isn't sensible at all.

And if all he said was he understood the pov how is that him making the same commentary. In that same interview you conveniently left out how he said he embraced the role and what came with it. He can just see why somebody else wouldn't. That's the opposite of whining. And you leaving that out isnwhy I said you're letting your dislike color how you're reading what he said because you blatantly missed the parts that contradict your pov.
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Bruh, how does Lebron saying he embraces the role contradict anything I said? That doesn't even make sense. He can say whatever he wants, that doesn't make it true. If he embraced the role, he wouldn't have Klutch Sports harassing people who criticize him. If he embraced the role, he wouldn't have created a podcast with Reddick and then use every episode to gaslight and cap in response to the criticisms.

You accuse me of letting my dislike for him color my perception of his words and actions. You don't seem to understand that his words and actions are what I dislike about him. I was neutral on Lebron for most of his career. I lost respect for him after The Decision, but I wouldn't even say I disliked him then. I didn't really start disliking him until he got to LA and teamed up with Klutch to go on this GOAT campaign. At the point, I started to look at his whole legacy as something that was basically manufactured.

Anyway, this discussion isn't going anywhere, so I'm done with it.
 
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