Jay-Z Called T.I About Being Ranked #2 Under Pac On His Goat List

[Inori]

How much stock are we putting into the fact that Tip clearly said the nigga called and they were talking about something totally unrelated, then just mentioned it at the end of the call?

Nevermind.

Funny

I keep coming back in here hoping others were going to say this

It will continue to be ignored lol

 

[Qawshun]

Hmmm dear momma and brenda's gotta baby mean that much to y'all huh ?? I got Jay over pac. As for the better artist claim, what has pac done that Jay hasn't ?? Riddle me that, i wanna see what im forgetting

 

[Natural Born Sinners]

With that logic, Logic (the White rapper) is more skilled than Pac, but who cares? Pac made better music.

As a technical rapper..yes. song writer and storyteller, no.

 

[Natural Born Sinners]

Hmmm dear momma and brenda's gotta baby mean that much to y'all huh ?? I got Jay over pac. As for the better artist claim, what has pac done that Jay hasn't ?? Riddle me that, i wanna see what im forgetting

You just mentioned "Dear mama". Jay ain't made nothing close to that fam. Jay has many things on Pac; longevity, different flows, better beats. But Jay not fucking w Pac on instropective shit.

 

[5 Grand]

You just mentioned "Dear mama". Jay ain't made nothing close to that fam. Jay has many things on Pac; longevity, different flows, better beats. But Jay not fucking w Pac on instropective shit.

Cosign, but Jay is better at MCing.

 

[Inori]

You just mentioned "Dear mama". Jay ain't made nothing close to that fam. Jay has many things on Pac; longevity, different flows, better beats. But Jay not fucking w Pac on instropective shit.

I agree for the most part but lets not act like This Cant Be Life, Song Cry and Where have you been dont exist fam.. lol

 

[Word....Life]

When did all tha Jay hatin’ start?? Was it tha NFL shit?? Cuz I swear I don’t ever remember hearin’/seein’ this much Jay hate and slander on any site or any convo by anyone...ever... lmao

I know he’s not everybody’s favorite...I understand that...nor am I sayin’ he has to be an MC you fuck wit’ personally...but as far as music/industry/culture/impact/relevance he’s tha EPITOME of EVERY RAPPER...dead or alive....whoever has ever spit a bar...and kick rocks wit’ that “Nah...some MC’s just really love tha craft...they’d do it for free!!” Bullshit...every muthafucka to ever say a rhyme had at 1 point wanted to make money doin’ what you love...and hate it or not Jay makin’ tha most outta relevant MC’s...every rapper had at 1 point dreamed of being relevant for over 25 years...not known but relevant...big difference...every rapper unless they were gay or “happily married” (lol) wanted to have their dream girl on their arm while at tha same time that woman bein’ universally considered 1 of tha baddest in tha game (and I personally don’t even rock wit’ B like that but I understand her place in tha “game”)...every rapper has at 1 point wanted to be more powerful than “just a rapper”...have more of a “voice”, regardless of w/e message/theme/content you wanted to get out there, you still wanted to be as powerful as he is to get that message out....Annnd THEN there’s tha music...hate him or love him niggaz are BUGGIN’ if they act like Jay can’t/don’t/didn’t/does/has etc spit some of tha hardest/best lyrics/bars/songs/albums for 25+ years and counting...cuz if he decided to drop a solo album on Friday out tha blue you know damn well he locking everything down...even if you don’t like him you KNOW he can rap...at a very high level...and has for longer than ANYBODY else...not even close

Now wit’ ALL that said there were no biased bs east coast words said...just straight facts...I’m no Pac fan at all...but I understand where some people have him...and I can respect that opinion...but how do you compare basically a 7 year span with only really 3-4 (and that’s being generous if you ask me) STRONG years at “premier artist” status....he can definitely be anybody’s personal favorite rapper...no doubt...but greatest EVER...nah...same wit’ Biggie who I am a big fan of...can’t compare 2 albums and a 4 year run wit what Hov has/is doin’...personal favorite of somebody...sure...no problem...but GOAT?! That’s not how that works...

Annnd he not even my favorite MC cuz I got Red and Pun over him personally...wit’ artist like Styles, Black Thought, old Nas , Big and even K Dot close to him on my personal top 10 favorite list...but if he not 1 on everybody unbiased Top rappers ever list...I honestly don’t see how you justify it unless you just flat out admit you don’t like him personally which would nullify your “unbiased” opinion lol

Aite...I’m off my soap box....let tha “shut up nigga!! U a Stan” rebuttals start

:celebrate: lol

 

[God_Body]

Jay fans are like LeBron fans. SMH. Dramatic. It's nothing wrong with being third greatest rapper/player of all time.

 

[God_Body]

Jay might have the goat legacy when you count all the shit that doesn't involve rapping. But goat emcee, no. Just no.

 

[5 Grand]

The two things that keep Jay from being that absolute best rapper alive are Ether and SupaUgly.

Had that battle turned out different he would be the undisputed GOAT.

Also, his records don't sell as much as rappers that aren't as good as him. For a while Ja Rule was outselling Jay, and then 50 outsold Jay.

What's Jay Z's Thriller?

 

[konceptjones]

Pac ain't in my top 30. Jay could arguably be in my top 10 but I'd really have to think about that.

Pac made emo music for thug niggas.

 

[mryounggun]

I disagree w you, but is a matter of preference. My things is this. If we are having a RAP MUSIC debate, I don't wanna hear nothing about number one albums, sales, Forbes list or mogul shit. Let's discuss RAP MUSIC. I'm not just saying this to you, but I notice alot of people that bring jay up at #1, wanna bring up shit outside of music. Jay to me is top 5. Better skilled rapper than Pac, but so is Eminem and tech nine.

I actually agree. I discuss the other shit because these days people can't seem to have the convo without all the other shit. My preference? Let's talk about the music and the impact of the music That's all.

Salute.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

When did all tha Jay hatin’ start?? Was it tha NFL shit?? Cuz I swear I don’t ever remember hearin’/seein’ this much Jay hate and slander on any site or any convo by anyone...ever... lmao

I know he’s not everybody’s favorite...I understand that...nor am I sayin’ he has to be an MC you fuck wit’ personally...but as far as music/industry/culture/impact/relevance he’s tha EPITOME of EVERY RAPPER...dead or alive....whoever has ever spit a bar...and kick rocks wit’ that “Nah...some MC’s just really love tha craft...they’d do it for free!!” Bullshit...every muthafucka to ever say a rhyme had at 1 point wanted to make money doin’ what you love...and hate it or not Jay makin’ tha most outta relevant MC’s...every rapper had at 1 point dreamed of being relevant for over 25 years...not known but relevant...big difference...every rapper unless they were gay or “happily married” (lol) wanted to have their dream girl on their arm while at tha same time that woman bein’ universally considered 1 of tha baddest in tha game (and I personally don’t even rock wit’ B like that but I understand her place in tha “game”)...every rapper has at 1 point wanted to be more powerful than “just a rapper”...have more of a “voice”, regardless of w/e message/theme/content you wanted to get out there, you still wanted to be as powerful as he is to get that message out....Annnd THEN there’s tha music...hate him or love him niggaz are BUGGIN’ if they act like Jay can’t/don’t/didn’t/does/has etc spit some of tha hardest/best lyrics/bars/songs/albums for 25+ years and counting...cuz if he decided to drop a solo album on Friday out tha blue you know damn well he locking everything down...even if you don’t like him you KNOW he can rap...at a very high level...and has for longer than ANYBODY else...not even close

Now wit’ ALL that said there were no biased bs east coast words said...just straight facts...I’m no Pac fan at all...but I understand where some people have him...and I can respect that opinion...but how do you compare basically a 7 year span with only really 3-4 (and that’s being generous if you ask me) STRONG years at “premier artist” status....he can definitely be anybody’s personal favorite rapper...no doubt...but greatest EVER...nah...same wit’ Biggie who I am a big fan of...can’t compare 2 albums and a 4 year run wit what Hov has/is doin’...personal favorite of somebody...sure...no problem...but GOAT?! That’s not how that works...

Annnd he not even my favorite MC cuz I got Red and Pun over him personally...wit’ artist like Styles, Black Thought, old Nas , Big and even K Dot close to him on my personal top 10 favorite list...but if he not 1 on everybody unbiased Top rappers ever list...I honestly don’t see how you justify it unless you just flat out admit you don’t like him personally which would nullify your “unbiased” opinion lol

Aite...I’m off my soap box....let tha “shit up nigga!! U a Stan” rebuttals start

:celebrate: lol

.....and I don't got this nigga in my top 5

 

[GNS]

You just mentioned "Dear mama". Jay ain't made nothing close to that fam. Jay has many things on Pac; longevity, different flows, better beats. But Jay not fucking w Pac on instropective shit.

 

[The Mad Titan]

Jay is top 10 but damn he is one insecure ass nigga. Ol "im supposed to be number one on everbody list, we'll see what happens when I no longer exist" ass nigga

Dissin the dead. Deep down he know damn well had Pac and Big not died, he might not have took off like he did. Thats why this number 1 shit haunts him

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

Jay is top 10 but damn he is one insecure ass nigga. Ol "im supposed to be number one on everbody list, we'll see what happens when I no longer exist" ass nigga

Dissin the dead. Deep down he know damn well had Pac and Big not died, he might not have took off like he did. Thats why this number 1 shit haunts him

Niggas still spout this utter bullshit?

 

[The Mad Titan]

Niggas still spout this utter bullshit?

Just cuz you don't like dont make it bullshit. I dont know how old you are, but Im old enough to remember. Jay was not that nigga until those 2 died. Not to say he was a bum or even a lower tier rapper, just that Pac and Big were that great.

 

[L3NU]

Man I can only imagine that poster tomptrez from the IC going on some crazy rant once he heard this

Where the jigga haters at I need my comedy

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

Just cuz you don't like dont make it bullshit. I dont know how old you are, but Im old enough to remember. Jay was not that nigga until those 2 died. Not to say he was a bum or even a lower tier rapper, just that Pac and Big were that great.

It's bullshit cause y'all just arbitrarily pick Jay. Outkast really took off w/ Aquemini & Stankonia, after Big & Pac died, why not them. Redman's biggest album was Doc's da Name, after Big & Pac, why not him.

Furthermore if Pac & Bigge dying was all Jay needed to jumpstart his career, Vol. 1 would've been his breakout album, not Vol. 2

Like I said bullshit.

 

[The Mad Titan]

It's bullshit cause y'all just arbitrarily pick Jay. Outkast really took off w/ Aquemini & Stankonia, after Big & Pac died, why not them. Redman's biggest album was Doc's da Name, after Big & Pac, why not him.

Furthermore if Pac & Bigge dying was all Jay needed to jumpstart his career, Vol. 1 would've been his breakout album, not Vol. 2

Like I said bullshit.

Big was the NY Don, at the time, King of Brooklyn. So if Big doesnt die, does Jay overthorw him? I dont think so but thats my opinion.

Deathrow had shit on lock and the vast majority of rappers and labels shook. If Pac doesn't die and is still there to keep his foot on niggas necks what happens?