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Who’s to blame for NY’s downfall: 50 Cent or Ebro

Who’s to blame for NY’s downfall: 50 Cent or Ebro

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I haven't been paying attention but is the south still technically on top or is it just a clusterfuck of everyone sounding like everyone still?
 
Mister B. said:
There's a lot more to it than this. I blame lack of originality, creativity, and falling behind to stay relevant from the NY hip-hop scene. To place the lame solely on these two is a bit narrow-minded.

However, they each had their share in the downfall of NYC hip-hop remaining at the forefront of the culture.
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lack of originality is a big part of it too. You got rappers like French Montana and A$AP Rocky that could pass for southern artists, Nicki Minaj spent most of her career either singing pop songs or doing weird accents over edm beats.
 
GNS said:
I haven't been paying attention but is the south still technically on top or is it just a clusterfuck of everyone sounding like everyone still?
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Probably more the second than the first. I'd say it's between the West and South if any coast is actually on top.
 
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Damn, I thought this discussion was left back in 2012 or something. It was a shift in the sound for the most part. Things seemed to have opened up at the right time as far as accepting music from other places just as much or even more than local artist.

I think majors had a lot to do with it as well...Them cats started to get signed to major labels and got that push. Talking to this older cat from Atlanta and dude was saying in the late 80's earl 90's their station hardly played the local shyt, just east and west coast stuff...common denominator major label pushes...

Dont think 50 or Ebro played big parts, fans just wanted something else
 
We can't ignore the consolidation of local stations into huge national corporate radio monoliths.

Ebro's not special - there are 100's of him - he's just more of a hypocrite and a fame-whore than the rest that know how to do just their jobs collect their checks.

Also, no style of popular music stays hot for very long in the big scheme of things. I'd argue that it's been that way since before radio even existed.

So basically NY never had a downfall... it just went back underground.
 
It was still crazy to me that Ebro called Sean Price a minor league artist and that nobody would want to listen to him during the morning or drive home hours.
 
OGDirtyDee said:
Idk what it was but i know fr like 99-2005 most people i know just didnt fw up NY music like that outside a big named rapper like Jay Z. Just wasnt the vibe that was going down in the south. And it looks like even NY rappers were starting to want to have the south vibe then folks like ASAP Rocky started making southern ny music. Lol
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The point they seem to be making is that outside of a few people like Jay and 50, none of the artists were getting play and no new artists were being broken. So you're right people weren't really checking for NY music, but that's probably in part due to the fact that there wasn't much NY music being pushed even in NY.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
The point they seem to be making is that outside of a few people like Jay and 50, none of the artists were getting play and no new artists were being broken. So you're right people weren't really checking for NY music, but that's probably in part due to the fact that there wasn't much NY music being pushed even in NY.
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And that why a lot of artists just said fuck it and just start touring more. Hot 97 did the same thing to M.O.P. They stop playing them too.
 
Big_Ev said:
And that why a lot of artists just said fuck it and just start touring more. Hot 97 did the same thing to M.O.P. They stop playing them too.
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Wu-tang too.

It kinda gets swept under the rug because of how big of a name Wu became, but people forget they weren't getting radio play in NYC when NYC radio was actually still influential.
 
This was around the time 05/06 where you had artists from NY that were ready to blow up. Even in 2013 when this dialogue was a thing the Beast Coast movement was right there…
 
Payola had a big part to play too. After awhile, New York radio didn’t care about the people that were on the come up, unless you had people backing you. That why the underground went deeper into or you changed your style to a different sound.
 
I don't think all the blame can be put on 50 or NYC radio either though. I think it was just a transition of what people wanted to hear too. That grimey, super lyrical, boom bap Hip Hop that made NYC king again for a while after taking the reins back from Death Row started to fall out of favor around the transition to the 2000s. That was true even in NY as we saw the rise of the Shiny Suit era. At the end of the day, when the music moved more towards being more commercial friendly and "fun," NY was going to lose out because the South always did that better.
 
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