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Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ule-for-the-metoo-era-avoid-women-at-all-cost

No more dinners with female colleagues. Don’t sit next to them on flights. Book hotel rooms on different floors. Avoid one-on-one meetings.

In fact, as a wealth adviser put it, just hiring a woman these days is “an unknown risk.” What if she took something he said the wrong way?

Across Wall Street, men are adopting controversial strategies for the #MeToo era and, in the process, making life even harder for women.

Call it the Pence Effect, after U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, who has said he avoids dining alone with any woman other than his wife. In finance, the overarching impact can be, in essence, gender segregation.

Interviews with more than 30 senior executives suggest many are spooked by #MeToo and struggling to cope. “It’s creating a sense of walking on eggshells,” said David Bahnsen, a former managing director at Morgan Stanley who’s now an independent adviser overseeing more than $1.5 billion.

This is hardly a single-industry phenomenon, as men across the country checktheir behavior at work, to protect themselves in the face of what they consider unreasonable political correctness -- or to simply do the right thing. The upshot is forceful on Wall Street, where women are scarce in the upper ranks. The industry has also long nurtured a culture that keeps harassment complaints out of the courts and public eye, and has so far avoided a mega-scandal like the one that has engulfed Harvey Weinstein.

‘Real Loss’
Now, more than a year into the #MeToo movement -- with its devastating revelations of harassment and abuse in Hollywood, Silicon Valley and beyond -- Wall Street risks becoming more of a boy’s club, rather than less of one.

“Women are grasping for ideas on how to deal with it, because it is affecting our careers,” said Karen Elinski, president of the Financial Women’s Association and a senior vice president at Wells Fargo & Co. “It’s a real loss.”

There’s a danger, too, for companies that fail to squash the isolating backlash and don’t take steps to have top managers be open about the issue and make it safe for everyone to discuss it, said Stephen Zweig, an employment attorney with FordHarrison.

“If men avoid working or traveling with women alone, or stop mentoring women for fear of being accused of sexual harassment,” he said, “those men are going to back out of a sexual harassment complaint and right into a sex discrimination complaint.”

Channeling Pence
While the new personal codes for dealing with #MeToo have only just begun to ripple, the shift is already palpable, according to the people interviewed, who declined to be named. They work for hedge funds, law firms, banks, private equity firms and investment-management firms.

For obvious reasons, few will talk openly about the issue. Privately, though, many of the men interviewed acknowledged they’re channeling Pence, saying how uneasy they are about being alone with female colleagues, particularly youthful or attractive ones, fearful of the rumor mill or of, as one put it, the potential liability.

A manager in infrastructure investing said he won’t meet with female employees in rooms without windows anymore; he also keeps his distance in elevators. A late-40-something in private equity said he has a new rule, established on the advice of his wife, an attorney: no business dinner with a woman 35 or younger.

The changes can be subtle but insidious, with a woman, say, excluded from casual after-work drinks, leaving male colleagues to bond, or having what should be a private meeting with a boss with the door left wide open.

‘Not That Hard’
On Wall Street as elsewhere, reactions to #MeToo can smack of paranoia, particularly given the industry’s history of protecting its biggest revenue generators.

“Some men have voiced concerns to me that a false accusation is what they fear,” said Zweig, the lawyer. “These men fear what they cannot control.”

There are as many or more men who are responding in quite different ways. One, an investment adviser who manages about 100 employees, said he briefly reconsidered having one-on-one meetings with junior women. He thought about leaving his office door open, or inviting a third person into the room.

Finally, he landed on the solution: “Just try not to be an asshole.”

That’s pretty much the bottom line, said Ron Biscardi, chief executive officer of Context Capital Partners. “It’s really not that hard.”

In January, as #MeToo was gathering momentum, Biscardi did away with the late-night, open-bar gathering he’d hosted for years in his penthouse suite during Context Capital’s annual conference at the Fontainebleau Miami Beach. “Given the fact that women are in the minority at our events, we want to make sure that the environment is always welcoming and comfortable. We felt that eliminating the after-party was necessary to remain consistent with that goal.”

In this charged environment, the question is how the response to #MeToo might actually end up hurting women’s progress. Given the male dominance in Wall Street’s top jobs, one of the most pressing consequences for women is the loss of male mentors who can help them climb the ladder.

“There aren’t enough women in senior positions to bring along the next generation all by themselves,” said Lisa Kaufman, chief executive officer of LaSalle Securities. “Advancement typically requires that someone at a senior level knows your work, gives you opportunities and is willing to champion you within the firm. It’s hard for a relationship like that to develop if the senior person is unwilling to spend one-on-one time with a more junior person.”

Men have to step up, she said, and “not let fear be a barrier.”
 
Oh well... this is the world them bitches wanted.

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Seems a ridiculous overreaction

Not, it really isn't.

Newton's 3rd law states "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

If you believe the reaction is ridiculous, then it would stand to reason that the action that caused the reaction is equally as ridiculous. The entire MeToo movement is nothing more than broads gettin' mad at niggas shootin their shot or taking crass, but otherwise harmless jokes and comments and turning them into sexual harassment and vilifying the men they accuse of it.

We've already seen how even the slightest comment, action, hug, whatever it taken and made into sexual harassment. On top of all of that, there has been ZERO evidence to support any of these claims. It's a case where the women are automatically believed and the man's job is to present some sort of proof that it never happened, and since it's all "she said/he said", that proof doesn't exist.

So how do you eliminate the threat of losing your livelihood like this? By removing anything that can be used against you. You're never alone with a woman because witnesses can corroborate a story. You order a pizza to your room when you're on travel with a female colleague and, truthfully, you fight tooth and nail not to be on travel with her in the first place; roll dolo or get some of the guys to come with you. You don't sit next to her on a plane, you don't have her in your car without at least two other people in the car with you, you make no idle chatter with her; strictly business. None of that "How's the family" malarkey.

Fuck it. This is what they wanted.
 
Escorts about to see their pockets get bigger every year with the MeToo Movement
 
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Not, it really isn't.

Newton's 3rd law states "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

If you believe the reaction is ridiculous, then it would stand to reason that the action that caused the reaction is equally as ridiculous. The entire MeToo movement is nothing more than broads gettin' mad at niggas shootin their shot or taking crass, but otherwise harmless jokes and comments and turning them into sexual harassment and vilifying the men they accuse of it.

We've already seen how even the slightest comment, action, hug, whatever it taken and made into sexual harassment. On top of all of that, there has been ZERO evidence to support any of these claims. It's a case where the women are automatically believed and the man's job is to present some sort of proof that it never happened, and since it's all "she said/he said", that proof doesn't exist.

So how do you eliminate the threat of losing your livelihood like this? By removing anything that can be used against you. You're never alone with a woman because witnesses can corroborate a story. You order a pizza to your room when you're on travel with a female colleague and, truthfully, you fight tooth and nail not to be on travel with her in the first place; roll dolo or get some of the guys to come with you. You don't sit next to her on a plane, you don't have her in your car without at least two other people in the car with you, you make no idle chatter with her; strictly business. None of that "How's the family" malarkey.

Fuck it. This is what they wanted.

Bolded 1. That's not what we've seen. We've seen some women (a tiny minority) come forward and accuse men of abuse and some of those men (a tiny minority) have been found guilty

Underlined. This comes up in every single rape discussion and its long gettin' into again

Bolded 2. Again, very few of these cases are goin' to court and not all Me Too cases are treated the same. Some of the accusers are believed straight away and others aren't. It is what is it and I don't think it's a problem on the scale you're suggestin'.

As for the first and last paragraphs, I think they're both good examples of a person allowin' the media to influence their opinion. I've not come across any Me Too shit in my work life, or in my personal life and I don't think I'd believe you if you said you have

Women have not asked to be segregated feom men, they've asked to stop bein' sexually harassed and SOME women are takin' advantage
 
Bolded 1. That's not what we've seen. We've seen some women (a tiny minority) come forward and accuse men of abuse and some of those men (a tiny minority) have been found guilty

Underlined. This comes up in every single rape discussion and its long gettin' into again

Bolded 2. Again, very few of these cases are goin' to court and not all Me Too cases are treated the same. Some of the accusers are believed straight away and others aren't. It is what is it and I don't think it's a problem on the scale you're suggestin'.

As for the first and last paragraphs, I think they're both good examples of a person allowin' the media to influence their opinion. I've not come across any Me Too shit in my work life, or in my personal life and I don't think I'd believe you if you said you have

Women have not asked to be segregated feom men, they've asked to stop bein' sexually harassed and SOME women are takin' advantage

This ain't what happened at all.

Only two men have been charged with anything: Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein. Of those two, only Bill has been found guilty.

Sexual Harassment isn't a crime on any level. It's an HR issue and only an HR issue. The only time it become a crime is if something happens and it steps into the realm of sexual battery or rape.

As for evidence: Yeah, nobody wants to touch that because there isn't any and thats exactly what makes it so dangerous. Careers and livelihoods are being destroyed over accusations with absolutely nothing to back them up.

So, let me ask you this: You've never once made a sexual joke around a chick? Never once grabbed an ass while you were at the club dancing with a chick? Never tried to shoot your shot with a chick? A lot of the shit that I'm sure you've done in your lifetime would be fodder for MeToo. Most men and women at some point in their lives have "crossed the line" at least once. Women grab dicks and rub on men without being prompted, men palm asses, hips, etc while trying to chat up a chick. Men and women both drop compliments to the opposite sex while at work, many of which could be considered harassment if they're not well received but then that depends on the person delivering said compliment.

You're naive to believe you've never done anything in your entire life that couldn't be brought up and used against you if you ever became famous.
 
This ain't what happened at all.

Only two men have been charged with anything: Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein. Of those two, only Bill has been found guilty.

Sexual Harassment isn't a crime on any level. It's an HR issue and only an HR issue. The only time it become a crime is if something happens and it steps into the realm of sexual battery or rape.

As for evidence: Yeah, nobody wants to touch that because there isn't any and thats exactly what makes it so dangerous. Careers and livelihoods are being destroyed over accusations with absolutely nothing to back them up.

So, let me ask you this: You've never once made a sexual joke around a chick? Never once grabbed an ass while you were at the club dancing with a chick? Never tried to shoot your shot with a chick? A lot of the shit that I'm sure you've done in your lifetime would be fodder for MeToo. Most men and women at some point in their lives have "crossed the line" at least once. Women grab dicks and rub on men without being prompted, men palm asses, hips, etc while trying to chat up a chick. Men and women both drop compliments to the opposite sex while at work, many of which could be considered harassment if they're not well received but then that depends on the person delivering said compliment.

You're naive to believe you've never done anything in your entire life that couldn't be brought up and used against you if you ever became famous.

OK so two charges and this isn't an overreaction?

I don't think I understand your point about sexual harassment.

Yes evidence is hard to come by in these cases, I don't think we need to circle that

I've done all of those things in the bolded. I did them because I knew the chick I was doin' it to was OK with me doin' it. No, that doesn't mean I always has explicit verbal consent, but then that isn't needed.

And this is why I say its an overreaction. The rules regardin' intersexual relations haven't really changed at all, its just women are more vocal when they feel they've been harassed.
 
OK so two charges and this isn't an overreaction?

Don't be dense. All the accusations and only two men have been charged with anything, and yet the majority of men accused have still lost everything.

I don't think I understand your point about sexual harassment.

Yes evidence is hard to come by in these cases, I don't think we need to circle that

It's not hard to come by, the shit doesn't exist: No witnesses, no physical evidence, no video evidence, no nothing.

I've done all of those things in the bolded. I did them because I knew the chick I was doin' it to was OK with me doin' it. No, that doesn't mean I always has explicit verbal consent, but then that isn't needed.

And this is why I say its an overreaction. The rules regardin' intersexual relations haven't really changed at all, its just women are more vocal when they feel they've been harassed.

And just like that, you made yourself open to rape and sexual assault charges. I hope you never get famous because those incidents are precisely what's going to come back to haunt you; you see what happened to Aziz Ansari.
 
In this day and age it's just best to record everything. We have the technology to do it; it makes no sense not to. It got this Uber driver off after being accused of sexual assault

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...r-rape-charge-dropped-met-20150406-story.html

And got 4 dentists off after a broad accused them of gang raping her in a Vegas hotel room:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...inst-4-dentists-accused-of-rape-in-las-vegas/

All the bullshit will go away if there's a video of every encounter.
 
Don't be dense. All the accusations and only two men have been charged with anything, and yet the majority of men accused have still lost everything.



It's not hard to come by, the shit doesn't exist: No witnesses, no physical evidence, no video evidence, no nothing.



And just like that, you made yourself open to rape and sexual assault charges. I hope you never get famous because those incidents are precisely what's going to come back to haunt you; you see what happened to Aziz Ansari.

What happened to Aziz was bad but its wrong (and lazy) to extrapolate to every Me Too case.

Now that's where the problem is...



What different women may view as 'harassment' can or could differ

Are women all over the world supposed to gather and discuss what is and isn't acceptable?
 
I dont care tbh, because the type of people that run corporate america this day and age all have the same personality type. They're all ruthless, backstabbing, self centered, people that will screw over anyone to get ahead. We have mostly dick head men that terrorize those bellow them because they can get away with it that are now acting like they're 100% victims & women manipulating men to then flip on them to climb the corporate ladder.
 
Exactly.

"Hey, Beautiful" coming from Idris Elba might be the greatest compliment in the world.

"Hey, Beautiful" coming from Flava Flav is some how sexual harassment.

If @CeLLar-DooR can't see something wrong in that, then...:js4:

This type of example is the exact shit I'm on about. If this is what you niggas think is happenin' then fair enough. Its not what's happenin', at all, but fair enough.

Also, if both men just said 'hey', there'd be no issue.

Lastly if Flav said 'hey, Beautiful' to someone and got hit with harassment I'd be first in the thread sayin' that it's wack and shit like that is makin' the whole MeToo movement look bad. The reason I'd say that is because I take this shit case by case . But again, that's not what's this thread is about, that's not what MeToo is about and that's NOT what is happenin'
 
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