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Vaping Illnesses Increase to 530 Probable Cases, C.D.C. Says


The number of vaping-related lung illnesses has risen to 530 probable cases, according to an update on Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and a Missouri man became the eighth to die from the mysterious ailments.

During a news briefing, Dr. Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the C.D.C., said officials expect more deaths because some people are suffering from severe lung illnesses.

But the nation’s public health officials said they still were unable to pinpoint the cause, or causes, of the sicknesses that have resulted in hundreds of hospitalizations, with many in intensive care units.
Dr. Schuchat said some patients are on ventilators and therefore are unable to tell investigators what substances they vaped.

“I wish we had more answers,” she said.
The C.D.C. provided the first demographic snapshot of the afflicted: Nearly three-quarters are male, two-thirds between 18 and 34. Sixteen percent are 18 or younger. “More than half of cases are under 25 years of age,” Dr. Schuchat said.

Illnesses have now been reported in 38 states, and one United States territory.
In the most recent case, in St. Louis, officials said on Thursday that a man in his mid-40s who had chronic pain had begun vaping last May. He was hospitalized Aug. 22 with respiratory problems and died on Wednesday.

“He started out with shortness of breath and it rapidly progressed and deteriorated, developing into what is called acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS),” said Dr. Michael Plisco, a critical care pulmonologist at Mercy Hospital St. Louis. “Once the lungs are injured by vaping, we don’t know how quickly it worsens and if it depends on other risk factors.”

He and other officials said they did not know what substance the patient had been vaping, but Dr. Plisco said in an interview that tissue samples from his lungs showed cells stained with oil.
Some products include oils that if inhaled — even small droplets — can cling to the lungs and airways and cause acute inflammation, doctors have said.

The first case in Canada also emerged this week. Officials there released information about a teenager in Ontario who was put on life support in an intensive care unit, but has now recovered.

The spate of illnesses this summer, coupled with the rising popularity of teenage vaping, has led a few states and the Trump administration to propose outlawing flavored e-cigarettes. Public officials hope restricting flavors that hold particular appeal for youth may discourage teenage use and adoption of vaping. Early results of an annual survey released on Wednesday show that teenage vaping has doubled since 2017.

Vaping typically entails inhalation of aerosolized substances, usually nicotine or THC — the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana — mixed with solvents or other chemicals.

The C.D.C. reiterated that many of the people who have gotten sick have used THC-based products, some obtained on the street, rather than from retailers in states where recreational or medical marijuana is legal. But C.D.C. officials continued to emphasize they have not identified a single clear chemical or cause of the outbreak. The officials said patients have reported using THC, THC and nicotine and for some, just nicotine.
The C.D.C. has said that to be safe for the time being, people should not vape anything at all. The lack of answers has begun to elicit frustration from various camps, including consumers, policy experts and industry groups. Since mid-August, when public health officials first disclosed that nearly three dozen people had gotten sick, a clear cause has not been identified. The agencies have pointed to the complexity of testing products and challenges of getting detailed history from patients about their behavior.

At the same time, a growing number of critics have said, there should be clearer results from the massive machinery of the federal investigation — more than 80 people at the C.D.C. working on the issue and a Food and Drug Administration lab in Cincinnati working with more than 150 samples from patients who got sick.
“We are not getting specific information we need to protect the public,” said Dr. Michael Siegel, a pediatrician at Boston University who has been a strong advocate for the use of e-cigarettes as a less dangerous alternative to traditional smoking. He said that the government has heavily implied that the problem is largely resulting from the use of illicit THC-related vaping products made but has not exonerated e-cigarettes, creating confusion.
“They’re not releasing the number of cases involved with THC,” he said. “That’s information they should be releasing.”

Eric Lindblom, an expert in tobacco policy at Georgetown Law School and a former F.D.A. senior adviser, said that the F.D.A. has the authority to ban the sale of THC vaping liquid, or THC vape pens, even in states where recreational marijuana is legal — or to ban sales that include any solvents other than ones known to be safe.

“They need to do something,” he said. “They should just take action to stop these things. It’s a no-lose situation.”

Mitchell Zeller, director of the F.D.A.’s Center for Tobacco Products, said it would be premature to take further action until “we get answers to these questions.”

“We are in desperate need of facts and evidence,” he said during a news briefing with the C.D.C. on Thursday. He said that there were multiple compounds showing up in the vaping mixtures, including Vitamin E acetate and other additives. He said that Vitamin E did not appear to be the sole factor but did not elaborate on other substances involved.

Mr. Zeller also said that the F.D.A.’s office of criminal investigations has begun “parallel investigative efforts.” He declined to specify any target of those efforts or whether an enforcement action is forthcoming, but he did say that particular arm of the FDA has gotten involved because it “has special investigative skills.

Dr. Schuchat from the C.D.C. said she understood the desire for more precise information. “We absolutely want to do that,” she said but added that in providing partial information, officials might “prematurely reassure” consumers about the safety of a product that ultimately turns out to be problematic.

One outstanding question, for instance, is whether there might be any connection between the recent bust in Wisconsin of an alleged vaping ring and the outbreak of illnesses. The bust involved seizing 57 Mason jars filled with liquid thought to be THC, or contain it, and thousands of empty vaping cartridges.

The bust and the outbreak come against a backdrop of tremendous uncertainty, even confusion, at the federal level over the governance of both e-cigarettes and, more so, marijuana.

With e-cigarettes, the F.D.A. has for years been developing regulations and policy about what products to allow into the market and under what circumstances. Recently, a federal court ruled that the F.D.A. must demand that e-cigarette makers provide evidence by May of next year about their public health benefits or be pulled from the market.

The issue is even trickier with marijuana, which the federal government still considers to be a Schedule 1 drug, a category it shares with such deadly substances as fentanyl and heroin. Yet with nearly a dozen states having legalized marijuana, and nearly three dozen allowing medicinal use, the federal government has essentially stood on the sidelines, trying to balance the growing political momentum behind legalization — as well as a burgeoning industry of cannabis and hemp products — against the uncertain health effects and longstanding federal policy.
 
That ain’t shit compared to cigarettes

I don’t think vaping was ever marketed as 100% safe, so I don’t get the outrage
They compared them to being safer than cigs. Just "vaping" caught on and spread like wildfire. Only way it's safe to smoke anything If you grow it yourself. Even with weed going commercial not as safe as it used to be
 
If we're being honest, it's only the illegal counterfeit joints that are killing people. Take yo ass to the dispensary or find you a plug from a state where they have dispensaries.
Yea they said those knock off joints be mixed with vitamin e oil. And that's what's clogging up your lungs.
 
That ain’t shit compared to cigarettes

I don’t think vaping was ever marketed as 100% safe, so I don’t get the outrage

Co sign. Ppl have no fuckin idea wtf is in them shits. Yet wanna scream foul when ppl start dying. foh
 
Seems like a tobacco industry conspiracy to get competition out the way. Not saying people aren’t dying, but the media and White House attention makes me think so.

I used to smoke clove cigarettes and they lobbied to get them shits banned. They still sell them in the US but it’s some bastardized version. Not nearly as good prior to the ban.

Guess I should thank big tobacco though cause that made me quit smoking all together. Definitely wasn’t going to regular cigs.
 
They compared them to being safer than cigs. Just "vaping" caught on and spread like wildfire. Only way it's safe to smoke anything If you grow it yourself. Even with weed going commercial not as safe as it used to be

Safer than cigs?! LMAO. And ppl believed them. LOL foh
 

Teen Has Lungs of 'a 70-year-old’ from Vaping for Over a Year: ‘Every Parent’s Worst Nightmare’

A student athlete still has difficulty climbing up stairs after being hospitalized with “severe lung damage” caused by e-cigarettes.

“My lungs were that of a 70-year-old’s,” Illinois teen Adam Hergenreder, who started vaping when he was 16, was told by the doctors, according to CNN.

Following days of persistent nausea and vomiting, the teenager was hospitalized in late August, where doctors were able to realize the full extent of the damage.

“It was severe lung disease, especially for a young person. He was short of breath, he was breathing heavily,” added Dr. Stephen Amesbury, a pulmonologist and critical care physician at Advocate Condell Medical Center. “If his mom had not brought him to the hospital within the next two to three days, his breathing could have worsened to the point that he could have died if he didn’t seek medical care.”

Describing her son as a “healthy” and “typical 18-year-old boy,” his mother Polly described her son’s health battle as “every parent’s worst nightmare.”

When Hergenreder first began vaping, he was under the impression that e-cigarettes were safer to use than regular cigarettes — plus he thought they “tasted good.”

“He would hit it several times throughout the day,” Polly told CNN of her son’s vaping habits. “My son was going through a pod and a half every other day, or a day and a half.”

“If I had known what it was doing to my body, I would have never even touched it, but I didn’t know,” the teen said, adding that “it was scary to think about” the damage “that little device” did to his lungs.


After being released from the hospital, Hergenreder still finds it “difficult to even do normal activities, like going up stairs,” which leaves him winded. His future with sports is also in jeopardy.

“I was a varsity wrestler before this and I might not ever be able to wrestle because that’s a very physical sport and my lungs might not be able to hold that exertion,” he told CNN. “It’s sad.”

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That ain’t shit compared to cigarettes

I don’t think vaping was ever marketed as 100% safe, so I don’t get the outrage
It takes an average of 10yrs of something being introduced into the populace before we can an idea of how it affects them. This is just the beginning. And the reason it's scary is because the rate at which the damage and effects are happening. People smoke cigs for 30+ years before it reall starts to affect them. Vaping is harming the lungs severely in a rather short period of time. Less than 10 years.

Our lungs arent meant to process out cigs much less than propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Studies have already been done and mice exposed to 2hrs a day of vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol for 8 weeks showed damage not only to their lungs but also their brains and kidneys.
 
This is another reason why Weed needs to be legal on federal level across the country.

The counterfit carts will be an issue as long as there are dry states. Also a big problem is cartels and illegal growers using pesticides and harmful chemicals to grow weed. We deserve clean regulated weed in the US.



Also.... This gotta be big tobacco lobbyist. Walmart stop sellin ecigs but not guns or cigs LOL
 
A majority of these cases that I've heard are from people buying these cartridges on the black market. They arent from businesses. I've been vaping for 4 years now and my lungs have significantly improved despite my hospitalization for blood clots in my lungs but that was from having a clot in my leg that broke and went into my lungs. I dont smell like ciggs or wake up wheezing anymore and only buy from legal businesses.

For weed, I dont do the cartridges. Even professional cartridge companies have been tested to have lead in the product and I always feel like the carts hit way too hard. I just have a dab pen with a coil that you spread the dabs on and the coil vapes the dab. The outrage from all this shit is ridiculous and I agree with night king, seems like a conspiracy from the tobacco companies because they've been losing tons and tons of customers.

Few hundred cases and it causes an outrage yet tobacco and alcohol are completely legal and have been killing people for over 100 years.
 
A majority of these cases that I've heard are from people buying these cartridges on the black market. They arent from businesses. I've been vaping for 4 years now and my lungs have significantly improved despite my hospitalization for blood clots in my lungs but that was from having a clot in my leg that broke and went into my lungs. I dont smell like ciggs or wake up wheezing anymore and only buy from legal businesses.

For weed, I dont do the cartridges. Even professional cartridge companies have been tested to have lead in the product and I always feel like the carts hit way too hard. I just have a dab pen with a coil that you spread the dabs on and the coil vapes the dab. The outrage from all this shit is ridiculous and I agree with night king, seems like a conspiracy from the tobacco companies because they've been losing tons and tons of customers.

Few hundred cases and it causes an outrage yet tobacco and alcohol are completely legal and have been killing people for over 100 years.
Look what happened when they tried to take alcohol away? Imagine if they took cigs away... holy fuck, thatd be purge day for sure. So if these products are as bad as alchohol and cigs, best to deal with it fast cuz if you give it to the public, you cant take it back. But this shit here to stay so fuck it. Yolo. I just bought a vape less than a week ago so I'm a little flipped out to hear this shit.
 
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