COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

It's not a dumb question. It's literally a projection. That's why even on election night, the networks always put up the "projected" winner. They always say that they can project the results. That's.........what the question is about.

Also, you can quite easily project the winner of the East in 2028. My Cavs have all four of our All-Stars under contract through 2028, and we were the #1 seed in the East last season. Based on those "projections," one could reasonably predict that the Cavs would be the favorites to win the East in 2028.

Sure, but think about your election night projection example. Is there not a difference between the confidence you have in a projection when 1% of the votes are in vs when 97% of the votes are in? The more information you have the better the projection. Right now, we have a dearth of information regarding the genuine viability of candidates in 2028. Again, we don't even really know who's going to be running. With that being the case, it's dumb to really put any stock into projections for who is going to win the primary right now.

It's August 2025. The midterms are scheduled for November 2026, with several special elections taking place before that. Any candidate who is considering 2028, already has their shit in order. Trump has really fogged people's brains about running a POTUS campaign. People really think that folks wait until after the midterms to start building. How do you think that there are candidates who are getting 70 million people to vote for them? They did not wake up one day and decide to run for POTUS. It takes years to build that shit, and yes, it is 100% happening right now.

Nobody is saying the candidates haven't started planning and getting their stuff together behind the scenes. What I'm saying is they haven't started unfolding those plans to the public in a way that would really allow us to gauge their appeal. You posted a poll that showed that Kamala is leading with black people right now. Well, no shit. She's the most prominent black candidate. A lot of black people default to the best black candidate. However, if a different candidate comes out tomorrow and commits to something that would tangibly help the black community, those numbers would shift. That's how campaigns work. That part of the game hasn't even started yet, so it's silly to put any sort of stock into numbers now.

Ok, let's look at both of her "losses". In 2020, she lost the nomination and ended up as the Vice President. That's a helluva loss but sure, it's an L.........

In 2024, she ran a campaign in 100 days and received the 3rd-highest vote total in POTUS election history. The only 2 times that anyone has ever received more votes than Kamal Harris in 2024 were Trump when he won in 2024 and Joe Biden when he won in 2020 with Kamala on the ticket as VP.

Now, I'm not calling her a juggernaut, but you're going to have to name some names if you're telling me that she's not as popular as the numbers clearly show that she is. My numbers are not based on polling. These are facts. These are results. The results say that Kamala Harris is the most popular Democrat right now. The results say that Kamala Harris has a larger coalition of voters than any candidate right now, including Donald Trump. The results also say that in the game of predictability, which is what polling and making political projections is all about, Kamala Harris is not only the safest bet politically, but she is by far and away the most popular, and she has the best resume. You can disagree with those things, but you cannot deny them and try to spin the results to mean something else.

Again, I don't have to name a name now because no one's voting now. Campaigns haven't started now. As you already noted, people are figuring things out behind the scenes now, and how they roll their campaigns out will impact those numbers and the popularity of other candidates. That's how it always happens. Again, we're at the equivalent of the 1% of votes in projection right now. No, I'm not going to name names based on that because it's pointless. It's the type of shit that news stations do just to fill up space during their 24/7 coverage cycles.

Now, initially I asked you to name some names, so name some names nigga. Give me a list of names that are so much better than Kamala Harris as a candidate right now, and she me a path for them to get 70 million votes. I'll show you why it is going to be extremely difficult for anybody you name to get to 270.

Everybody thinks that these candidates are ready for the big stage until they get on that stage.

There are only two numbers to keep in mind.

270 and 70.

270 Electoral votes and AT MINIMUM 70 million total votes. That's the bar that has been set by Kamal Harris who you are portraying like a loser, which is crazy since you cannot name a single candidate that you can project to do better.

I'm not portraying Kamala like anything. She lost two attempts at becoming president. That's the fact. All this other bullshit you're talking about doesn't change that. Were there factors that led to her loss. Of course, there are factors that lead to every loss. In 1960, Nixon looked poised to win the election against Kennedy. He then got sick and was physically out of it during their debate. That impacted the public's impression of him, and some believe it was a major factor in him losing to Kennedy. The point is that presidential elections are very volatile and it doesn't take much to tank someone. You can make the best case you want for Kamala now, and tomorrow a tape with her talking down on black people could surface. We're so early, that might be enough to make her not even want to run. Your demands are pointless.

I'm not really talking right now. I'm just giving niggas the spill on the numbers. Very little of what I said in my last few posts was my opinion. The majority of what I said is backed by factual data that we all have access to. It just offends niggas when the shit is right in their face and it's not what they wanted to see........

Actual data whose relevance could be nonexistent by next year. I'm not questioning whether or not what you're presenting is true. I'm pointing out that the political landscape is very volatile and projections for things two years out usually don't mean shit. Not with the way information is handled and spread nowadays. A decade or two ago, maybe what you're saying would hold more stock, but now...not so much.
 
Sure, but think about your election night projection example. Is there not a difference between the confidence you have in a projection when 1% of the votes are in vs when 97% of the votes are in? The more information you have the better the projection. Right now, we have a dearth of information regarding the genuine viability of candidates in 2028. Again, we don't even really know who's going to be running. With that being the case, it's dumb to really put any stock into projections for who is going to win the primary right now.

It's not dumb to put any stock into projections for who is running or for who will win the primary. What's happening is you're trying to put every candidate on an even playing field, and I'm explaining to you that, regardless of how early you keep saying it is, one, it's not early, and two, the playing field is not even.

Just because the primary isn't happening for 2 more years doesn't mean that there aren't candidates who already have an advantage and candidates who know that they have some catching up to do. Votes are not as wishy-washy as you're making them out to be. Voters do not flip as hard as you are describing could be the case. Of the 70 million people who voted for Kamala in 2024, and based on the 81 million votes that Biden received in 2020 when Kamala was on the ticket, it is quite safe to project that for any Democrat candidate to have a shot in 2028, they need a path to garner 70 million votes at a minimum. Why? Well, that's because the most popular Democratic candidate right now (Kamala Harris) has set the bar for other candidates to surpass.

Everybody is not starting at zero. For candidates that are unsure about running in 2028, maybe they are startuing at zero. Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Gavin Newsome, AOC, Bernie Sanders, etc, these candidates are not starting at zero. They already have a coalition that is very safe to project. So when I'm talking about projections and predictions, I'm using the facrtual data that we have in front of us that is safe, accurate, and relible for us to project on.

That's a long way of me basically telling you that this is not a reset for every candidate. Some candidates are starting at zero, and some candidates already have millions of votes locked the fuck in, and it would be political malpractice to disregard that.

Nobody is saying the candidates haven't started planning and getting their stuff together behind the scenes. What I'm saying is they haven't started unfolding those plans to the public in a way that would really allow us to gauge their appeal. You posted a poll that showed that Kamala is leading with black people right now. Well, no shit. She's the most prominent black candidate. A lot of black people default to the best black candidate. However, if a different candidate comes out tomorrow and commits to something that would tangibly help the black community, those numbers would shift. That's how campaigns work. That part of the game hasn't even started yet, so it's silly to put any sort of stock into numbers now.

The numbers are not going to categorically shift the way that you are describing. We have years of voting data that tells us that no matter how hard he wags his little finger, Bernie Sanders will never garner enough interest amongst Black voters to win a nomination. It doesn't matter how early or late he gets started. The voters have spoken regarding him in multiple elections now.

You can apply this same logic to almost every candidate. At least to all of the known candidates who have run before. They run their campaigns AFTER building a coalition. They don't build coalitions on the fly. I used Bernie asd an example because he does have a coalition. It's just not strong enough to win a primary. None of the other candidates out there has a coalition as big as Kamala's, and that is why she will continue to be mentioned. You know how people were saying that Joe Biden was just riding Obama's wave in 2020, like he hadn't been in the Senate since the 1970s? Joe Biden has built up a coalition for decades. Sure, being Obama's VP helped him as a candidate in 2020, but Joe Biden had a strong coalition before the 2008 campaign with Obama. He ran for POTUS several times before being Obama's VP, which people are actively using against Kamala right now.......

Point being, a lot of the projections are using the data that we have gathered for years, and that data is simply not going to change in the drastic measures they would need in order for what you are describing to happen.

Again, I don't have to name a name now because no one's voting now. Campaigns haven't started now. As you already noted, people are figuring things out behind the scenes now, and how they roll their campaigns out will impact those numbers and the popularity of other candidates. That's how it always happens. Again, we're at the equivalent of the 1% of votes in projection right now. No, I'm not going to name names based on that because it's pointless. It's the type of shit that news stations do just to fill up space during their 24/7 coverage cycles.

We're not at 1% though, and that's the point that you're missing. We are headed into a 2026 midterm in which the current POTUS is positioning himself to never leave office. We are in a recession right now. Fuck waiting for an official announcement that will never come from the administration that fires a new leader every month. If you go to Michigan right now, check in and see how those uncommitted Palestinian voters are doing. You know, the ones who were anti-Kamala. Those people will be lucky if they even have a voice for 2026, let alone 2028.....

But what I'm saying is that it does not take a midterm or a primary for voters to make their minds up. They may not know who the exact person is that they will be voting for, but the overwhelming majority of people know what party they are voting for. So it really comes down to who is on the ticket because those voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, and even Texas...know which party they're voting for. The question about who the person on the top of the ticket will be has already begun to be answered. It would be unwise to dismiss the FACT that any candidate not named Kamala Harris is playing from behind. That's how you should be looking at this. You can get technical and say that we aren't even at the midterms yet, but I'm telling you that will not sway the results much when we are at that point. The coalitions out there right now are either very strong, very weak, or non-existent.
 
I'm not portraying Kamala like anything. She lost two attempts at becoming president. That's the fact. All this other bullshit you're talking about doesn't change that. Were there factors that led to her loss. Of course, there are factors that lead to every loss. In 1960, Nixon looked poised to win the election against Kennedy. He then got sick and was physically out of it during their debate. That impacted the public's impression of him, and some believe it was a major factor in him losing to Kennedy. The point is that presidential elections are very volatile and it doesn't take much to tank someone. You can make the best case you want for Kamala now, and tomorrow a tape with her talking down on black people could surface. We're so early, that might be enough to make her not even want to run. Your demands are pointless.

You're really making it a point to exploit Kamala's POTUS bids as losses without examining the context. You are aware that Joe Biden ran for POTUS multiple times before being Obama's VP and before defeating Trump in 2020, right? Trump also lost to Biden in 2020, and he ran again. HRC lost to Obama in 2008 and lost to Trump in 2016. She's still one of the most popular candidates to have ever run.

You're looking at these losses the wrong way. They aren't the nail in the coffin like you are making them out to be. Especially not when you're making Kamala's losses look bad without even naming a candidate who has a better chance at winning than she does. If you can't even name a better candidate than Kamala, how bad was her loss really?

You said none of this other bullshit changes the fact that she lost 2 POTUS bids. Well, she received more votes in her loss in 2024 than Trump received in both his 2016 and 2020 campaigns. So why is her loss being portrayed as a bad loss? Keep in mind that in her two failed POTUS campaigns, one of them eneded with her as the Vice President and the other ended with her receivng the 3rd highest amount of votes in HISTORY. You can keep trying to spin those results as bad, but I'm telling you that politically, those are not as bad as you think.

Actual data whose relevance could be nonexistent by next year. I'm not questioning whether or not what you're presenting is true. I'm pointing out that the political landscape is very volatile and projections for things two years out usually don't mean shit. Not with the way information is handled and spread nowadays. A decade or two ago, maybe what you're saying would hold more stock, but now...not so much.

I mean, did I not get on here and tell niggas to slow the fuck down and wait until South Carolina (Black voters....) speak in 2020? Did I not say that Joe Biden was going to win in 2020 as early as February of that year? I wasn't being a smart ass or basing my prediction on my arrogant opinion. The data was......right there the whole time.

Let's look at what I said in 2024. I said that Kamala would win. She lost the election in 2024 by less than a percentage point and more specifically (not to get on now conspiracy shit but....), she lost the swing states by margins that do not correlate with voter turnout. Those just happened to be the same states that Trump and Elon Musk said that Trump was going to for sure win because they have the votes, and not to worry about them. Russian threats on Election Day in Georgia. I mean.......nothing nefarious hapoening at all in 2024, right? But even still, the margin in which Kamala lost in 2024 was within the margin of victory. So while the results of my prediction were wrong, the basis of my prediction was correct. She was a winning candidate, and any candidate in 2028 has to come better than she did in 2024. I find it amusing that people are finding different excuses as to why someone other than Kamala is in the driver's seat.

The excuse that it is too early is one of them. That dismisses the obviously strong coalition that Kamala already has in her back pocket. Not to mention that you also have to do the work and prop up another candidate that is better than her, and I'm telling you that's quite the undertaking but........
 
Podcast? Who gives a shit about a podcast? Lol

List some policies he's done instead if you want to prop him up as the favorite to run
My brother. I ain't propping shit up. He IS the favorite, that's objectionable fact. Yeah he's podcasting, and interviewing Steve Bannon to cultivate his image prior to his candidacy. That's what he's doing and based on polling, it's working.

Kamala has lost 2 elections and is missing in action at present. She can't just pop out and expect that stuff not to stick on her. I doubt she even runs. Gavin Newsom is holding office right now, he's in headlines every day, and in news cycles every day. And thus, he is the favorite. Not *my* favorite, mind you, but *the* favorite.
 
It's not dumb to put any stock into projections for who is running or for who will win the primary. What's happening is you're trying to put every candidate on an even playing field, and I'm explaining to you that, regardless of how early you keep saying it is, one, it's not early, and two, the playing field is not even...

You clearly don't understand my point. I'm not saying everyone is starting at zero. I'm saying I don't give a fuck about the starting point. Presidential campaigns are long distance races not sprints. It doesn't fucking matter what place you're after the first 100 meters if you're running the 8000.

The numbers are not going to categorically shift the way that you are describing. We have years of voting data that tells us that no matter how hard he wags his little finger, Bernie Sanders will never garner enough interest amongst Black voters to win a nomination. It doesn't matter how early or late he gets started. The voters have spoken regarding him in multiple elections now.

You can apply this same logic to almost every candidate. At least to all of the known candidates who have run before. They run their campaigns AFTER building a coalition. They don't build coalitions on the fly. I used Bernie asd an example because he does have a coalition. It's just not strong enough to win a primary. None of the other candidates out there has a coalition as big as Kamala's, and that is why she will continue to be mentioned. You know how people were saying that Joe Biden was just riding Obama's wave in 2020, like he hadn't been in the Senate since the 1970s? Joe Biden has built up a coalition for decades. Sure, being Obama's VP helped him as a candidate in 2020, but Joe Biden had a strong coalition before the 2008 campaign with Obama. He ran for POTUS several times before being Obama's VP, which people are actively using against Kamala right now.......

Point being, a lot of the projections are using the data that we have gathered for years, and that data is simply not going to change in the drastic measures they would need in order for what you are describing to happen.

But you can't apply the same logic to every candidate because not every candidate behaves the same. Bernie is the worst candidate you could have named because he's not one to pander. He has his agenda and sticks with it, so sure, his numbers stay pretty consistent. Other candidates go up and down like the stock exchange during elections. We saw that with Kamala herself the first time she ran. She started off strong and after a few bad showings like when Tulsi let her have it, her numbers plummeted. Go look at Trumps numbers a couple years before both of his runs and tell me that they predicted he would win. It hasn't worked like that for the past few elections.

We're not at 1% though, and that's the point that you're missing. We are headed into a 2026 midterm in which the current POTUS is positioning himself to never leave office. We are in a recession right now. Fuck waiting for an official announcement that will never come from the administration that fires a new leader every month. If you go to Michigan right now, check in and see how those uncommitted Palestinian voters are doing. You know, the ones who were anti-Kamala. Those people will be lucky if they even have a voice for 2026, let alone 2028.....

But what I'm saying is that it does not take a midterm or a primary for voters to make their minds up. They may not know who the exact person is that they will be voting for, but the overwhelming majority of people know what party they are voting for. So it really comes down to who is on the ticket because those voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, and even Texas...know which party they're voting for. The question about who the person on the top of the ticket will be has already begun to be answered. It would be unwise to dismiss the FACT that any candidate not named Kamala Harris is playing from behind. That's how you should be looking at this. You can get technical and say that we aren't even at the midterms yet, but I'm telling you that will not sway the results much when we are at that point. The coalitions out there right now are either very strong, very weak, or non-existent.

I maintain we're at 1%. Nobody has even started campaigning. Nobody has even made an official declaration they will campaign. You over here trusting numbers about the chances people have for running and those people might not even run. Again, Kamala hasn't even said that. How are you asking me to list whose better positioned to win when the person you're plugging might not even be a factor?
 
You're really making it a point to exploit Kamala's POTUS bids as losses without examining the context. You are aware that Joe Biden ran for POTUS multiple times before being Obama's VP and before defeating Trump in 2020, right? Trump also lost to Biden in 2020, and he ran again. HRC lost to Obama in 2008 and lost to Trump in 2016. She's still one of the most popular candidates to have ever run.

You're looking at these losses the wrong way. They aren't the nail in the coffin like you are making them out to be. Especially not when you're making Kamala's losses look bad without even naming a candidate who has a better chance at winning than she does. If you can't even name a better candidate than Kamala, how bad was her loss really?

You said none of this other bullshit changes the fact that she lost 2 POTUS bids. Well, she received more votes in her loss in 2024 than Trump received in both his 2016 and 2020 campaigns. So why is her loss being portrayed as a bad loss? Keep in mind that in her two failed POTUS campaigns, one of them eneded with her as the Vice President and the other ended with her receivng the 3rd highest amount of votes in HISTORY. You can keep trying to spin those results as bad, but I'm telling you that politically, those are not as bad as you think.

Bruh, you're just responding to respond and not actually reading. I acknowledged the context. That's why I gave the example with Nixon. Every presidential campaign faces challenges. Some overcome those challenges. Others don't. At the end of the day, Kamala still lost. Yes, she caught a bum rap in how she was thrust into the race and that hurt her. She also made a lot of dumb decisions like campaigning with Liz Cheney for some reason. At the end of the day, she still lost, and some of the reasons she lost fall squarely on her as a candidate.

I mean, did I not get on here and tell niggas to slow the fuck down and wait until South Carolina (Black voters....) speak in 2020? Did I not say that Joe Biden was going to win in 2020 as early as February of that year? I wasn't being a smart ass or basing my prediction on my arrogant opinion. The data was......right there the whole time.

Let's look at what I said in 2024. I said that Kamala would win. She lost the election in 2024 by less than a percentage point and more specifically (not to get on now conspiracy shit but....), she lost the swing states by margins that do not correlate with voter turnout. Those just happened to be the same states that Trump and Elon Musk said that Trump was going to for sure win because they have the votes, and not to worry about them. Russian threats on Election Day in Georgia. I mean.......nothing nefarious hapoening at all in 2024, right? But even still, the margin in which Kamala lost in 2024 was within the margin of victory. So while the results of my prediction were wrong, the basis of my prediction was correct. She was a winning candidate, and any candidate in 2028 has to come better than she did in 2024. I find it amusing that people are finding different excuses as to why someone other than Kamala is in the driver's seat.

The excuse that it is too early is one of them. That dismisses the obviously strong coalition that Kamala already has in her back pocket. Not to mention that you also have to do the work and prop up another candidate that is better than her, and I'm telling you that's quite the undertaking but........

What's your point bro? You just mentioned two predictions, one you got right and one you got wrong, and that somehow makes you an expert? The Dems should have beaten Trump by a landslide with all the gaffes and bad statements he made but they didn't, and a lot of that was due to self-inflicted damage. Why should I believe anything about Kamala two years out when she's already showed that she can shoot herself in the foot as well as any of them?
 
Why would you consider Gavin Newsom the clear favorite right now?

That's only a small aspect. The real truth as to why she's on top of any poll is simply because she is popular. You can deny her popularity, but the numbers say that she is, in fact, a very popular candidate.

Again, I did not say that you have to like her. You cannot deny her popularity, though, and her coalition is growing, which is not good for anybody who has intentions on running against her.
Let's be clear-- *I* don't consider him the favorite. He is the betting favorite. And is being positioned by the DNC as the favorite, which is likely the most important piece.

Kamala Harris is not popular. Her favorability is under water by 8 points. Kamala Harris did win a lot of votes. But like---so what? There's only 2 parties. People gotta vote for someone. There's also the matter that she LOST to a historically unpopular candidate. The Democratic party is not going to run her out as their candidate again, that ship has sailed. Right, wrong, whatever. It is what it is.

I like Kamala just fine But this is what is actually happening right now:


The latest POLITICO-Citrin Center-Possibility Lab survey, conducted between July 31-August 11, shows that California Democrats would take Newsom over former Vice President Kamala Harris in a 2028 presidential primary.

According to the poll, the governor leads Harris 25 percent to 19 percent among the state's registered Democratic voters and Democratic-leaning independents.

To summarize. You are severely underestimating the power of the political machine to drive voters. Popularity didn't drive voters to the polls for Kamala Harris, the DNC did. The 2-party system did. She was the recipient of that. Your argument actually makes that point, but you're not connecting to it. If HRC and Kamala running a 100 day campaign could drive that many votes, then it must not be that high of a hurdle. The sheer number is unprecedented, because there are more people in this country than ever. That's just population growth. You put the full weight of the political machine behind any viable candidate and watch them drive voters. Hell, Joe Biden received 80 million votes and was barely animated!

I do not understand how you can in good conscious say that her coalition is growing. She's not in the fray for all that. She is on a book tour catering to an existent base. She is not on the stage leading the resistance to Trump. And that shit matters to voters.
 

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I just want niggas to take a look at the reaction to what Gavin Newsom is doing right now versus what Kamala and HRC have done in the past. HRC specifically has stayed on Trump's neck since 2015. She is always on his ass, but people get on the internet and call her a robot or mention Super Predators, or say she's a terrible candidate.
Hillary IS a terrible candidate. Is that unfair, yeah probably. But she is. And saying that is not endorsing that. It's just dealing in reality.

Politics is a zero sum game. Gavin's plan is to gerrymander his state to win in '26. And then run on that in '28. What is Kamala really about to run on that is a winning strategy? The same shit she just lost with?
 
You clearly don't understand my point. I'm not saying everyone is starting at zero. I'm saying I don't give a fuck about the starting point. Presidential campaigns are long distance races not sprints. It doesn't fucking matter what place you're after the first 100 meters if you're running the 8000.

You're assuming that everyone in the race has the capacity to even run the full 8000 meters. My point is that for some candidates, they won't get out of the blocks. The field is not as wide open as people think. There are fewer than 10 legitimate candidates for 2028. Of those 10, how many actually have the resources to run a campaign? The answer is at most 6. Understand that we're really only talking about 6 legitimate candidates, regardless of how early you think it is.

Bernie is the worst candidate you could have named because he's not one to pander.

WTF?????

Bernie Sanders is a grifter. Better yet, he is THE Grifter. He has contributed nothing to the Democratic Party except for division. He absolutely panders. He's pandering to "working class" voters right now. AKA, holding his little town halls in rooms filled with Republicans and using coded language when describing the working class that distinctly disregards Black people.

We saw that with Kamala herself the first time she ran. She started off strong and after a few bad showings like when Tulsi let her have it, her numbers plummeted.

Tulsi didn't let her have it. Both Kamala and HRC were right about Tulsi, who, let's not forget, was one of Bernie Sanders' disciples and now she's a Republican OPP and a Russian asset. Tulsi was always a fraud, but niggas were eating that shit up because she was attacking a Black woman, only for Tulsi to be the biggest fraud on either stage that entire cycle. This was a cycle that included Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, so imagine that.

I maintain we're at 1%. Nobody has even started campaigning. Nobody has even made an official declaration they will campaign. You over here trusting numbers about the chances people have for running and those people might not even run. Again, Kamala hasn't even said that. How are you asking me to list whose better positioned to win when the person you're plugging might not even be a factor?

The reason why nobody has started campaigning or made any official declarations isn't because it's early. It's because everyone knows who the players are in the game. There is no big list of realistic options. Anybody who is paying attention knows that. Running a POTUS campaign is expensive. It's so expensive that the people who are running now, before the midterms, if it is even feasible. Now, when you factor in having to go up against a candidate like Kamala who has a bigger coalition and political footprint than any other candidate in the game, it starts to looks like travel youth sports. It doesn't matter how early the local team starts training; they do not have the resources to compete with those high-caliber teams. Kamala is one of those high-caliber teams, if not the highest. There's less than a handful of candidates who can even step on the field with her team, and THEY ALL KNOW THIS.

Bruh, you're just responding to respond and not actually reading. I acknowledged the context. That's why I gave the example with Nixon. Every presidential campaign faces challenges. Some overcome those challenges. Others don't. At the end of the day, Kamala still lost. Yes, she caught a bum rap in how she was thrust into the race and that hurt her. She also made a lot of dumb decisions like campaigning with Liz Cheney for some reason. At the end of the day, she still lost, and some of the reasons she lost fall squarely on her as a candidate.

Campaigning with Liz Cheney was not a dumb decision. More voters PARTICIPATE fall more in line with Liz Cheney than other candidates. This is called knowing your audience. People who think Kamala campaigning with Liz Cheney is dumb are too online. The fact of the matter is that the youthful energy and progressiveness that we see and talk about online does not translate into real life. America as a whole is a Center-Right country. The progressive wing in this country does not dominate the voter turnout; therefore, they are not as big a factor as they scream about online. IRL, there are more Liz Cheneys than AOCs. So campaigning with both, which is what Kamala did, is not dumb at all. It would be dumb to run your campaign like this is the internet.

What's your point bro? You just mentioned two predictions, one you got right and one you got wrong, and that somehow makes you an expert? The Dems should have beaten Trump by a landslide with all the gaffes and bad statements he made but they didn't, and a lot of that was due to self-inflicted damage. Why should I believe anything about Kamala two years out when she's already showed that she can shoot herself in the foot as well as any of them?

You're blaming the wrong people. How did Kamala shoot herself in the foot? She campaigned hard for the Unions, and she and Biden saved their pensions. The Unions still endorsed Trump. How is that Kamala's fault? The uncommitted movement attacked Kamala and "Genocide" Joe for a full year and promoted sitting out the last election. How is that Kamala's fault? When they were interrupting her rallies and never at Trump rallies interrupting him, that was Kamala's fault?

The Dems made bad statements? Donald Trump claimed that people were eating cats and dogs in a live fucking debate, and you're blaming democrats for their messaging? Why are you blaming Democrats for people being too fucking stupid to not know which way to vote? At what point do you hold the voters accountable? It's 2025, and people are still blaming Democrats for messaging. I'm sorry, but if you need to be told how to vote AT THIS POINT, then you're dumb as fuck and there is no reaching you.
 
Kamala Harris is not popular.

What are you basing this on? By every political measure, Kamala Harris is popular. You would actually struggle to find a politician not named Obama or Bill Clinton who is more popular. You're confusing popularity with favorability. In this instance, her popularity matters more than her favorability.

To summarize. You are severely underestimating the power of the political machine to drive voters. Popularity didn't drive voters to the polls for Kamala Harris, the DNC did. The 2-party system did. She was the recipient of that. Your argument actually makes that point, but you're not connecting to it. If HRC and Kamala running a 100 day campaign could drive that many votes, then it must not be that high of a hurdle. The sheer number is unprecedented, because there are more people in this country than ever. That's just population growth. You put the full weight of the political machine behind any viable candidate and watch them drive voters. Hell, Joe Biden received 80 million votes and was barely animated!

I don't think you understand what the DNC is. It's not some conspiracy machine that is picking candidates out of a lab. The DNC is simply made up of Democrats who coalesce together. It's nothing more than that. The DNC isn't some political machine. If it was, we wouldn't be on the internet talking about it........

What is the political machine? Please tell me what makes up a political machine.

Also, you're saying that HRC and Kamala pulling their numbers means that the bar was low yet, no other candidates who are all supposedly better can come close. And you think that it is because there's a machine manipulating people. How does this DNC machine work?

Like..........

My nigga........

HRC was a former First Lady to one of the most popular and well-liked Presidents of our time. She was the Secretary of State under Obama. She was a Senator in New York during 9/11. HRC didn't just pop up. She has been on the scene in multiple roles, building her coalition.

Same for Kamala. Niggas act like she just put on a suit one day and started pandering. These women have been putting in work for literal decades, and niggas get on teh internet and peddle right-wing, sexist, and misogynistic talking points about them looking crazy as fuck.

Like........

HRC was the First Lady when Bill was getting his dic.......

They didn't just pop up with the rise of the internet and blog era. They've been out here.

Last thing to kill your political machine point. Very rich people have run for POTUS before. How many of them won or have come close?

I do not understand how you can in good conscious say that her coalition is growing. She's not in the fray for all that. She is on a book tour catering to an existent base. She is not on the stage leading the resistance to Trump. And that shit matters to voters.

My nigga........

What has Kamala not said in the resistance against Trump? What more do you want her to say? We spent half of her campaign debating niggas about her policies that they never bothered to read. Niggas were pushing talking points about her doing nothing as the VP, but NOBODY HAS SHIT TO SAY ABOUT JD VANCE, WHO HASN'T DONE SHIT BUT TAKE VACATIONS SINCE BEING ELECTED.

Niggas are hypocrites.

You're saying that he coalition isn't growing, is out of touch with reality. Do not let memes and Twitter confuse you. The same people saying Kamala isn't popular are the same ones who were questioning her Blackness and her Policies. Haven't seen a single nigga who questioned Kamala say anything about JD Vance policies or his Indian wife.......
 
Hillary IS a terrible candidate. Is that unfair, yeah probably. But she is. And saying that is not endorsing that. It's just dealing in reality.

Politics is a zero sum game. Gavin's plan is to gerrymander his state to win in '26. And then run on that in '28. What is Kamala really about to run on that is a winning strategy? The same shit she just lost with?

So you think getting 70 million votes in 100 days is and losing an election by less than 2 million votes is a losing strategy? Well then, compare Trump losing in 2020 to Kamala losing in 2024.

Trump lost by more than 7 million votes in 2020. Kamala lost by a smaller margin in less time, and you're questioning her strategy. Did you question Trump's strategy after he lost in 2020? Because Kamala got more votes in 2024 than Trump did in 2020 and 2016.

What are you really saying?
 
What are you basing this on? By every political measure, Kamala Harris is popular. You would actually struggle to find a politician not named Obama or Bill Clinton who is more popular. You're confusing popularity with favorability. In this instance, her popularity matters more than her favorability.

Her favorability was underwater at the end of the election to the tune of 12%. It hasn't moved much in the time she has been out of office. As for popularity Newsom is polling ahead of her in her own state, which is pretty consequential since it carries the most delegates.

I don't think you understand what the DNC is. It's not some conspiracy machine that is picking candidates out of a lab. The DNC is simply made up of Democrats who coalesce together. It's nothing more than that. The DNC isn't some political machine. If it was, we wouldn't be on the internet talking about it........
This shit makes me want to stop responding. We can agree to disagree on points but this is just being disingenuous at worst and intellectually dishonest at best. The DNC is just a grouping of Democrats? They didn't muscle Bernie out of the nomination? Didn't try to do the same thing to Obama until he proved to be undeniable? They didn't prop up Biden with false narratives and coordinated coverage? That's just in Presidential elections. Look at them trying to tilt the scale in the NYC Mayoral election.

The DNC is a group of power brokers and king makers who coalesce around power and will absolutely make moves to best ensure they maintain said power. Talking about it on the internet does not somehow negate that. This isn't the league of shadows, but it is a force that controls the media messaging and financial arms of the Democratic party. Who they support, and who they *don't* support obviously matters and they have proven repeatedly to not be above placing their fingers on the scale.

Also, you're saying that HRC and Kamala pulling their numbers means that the bar was low yet, no other candidates who are all supposedly better can come close. And you think that it is because there's a machine manipulating people. How does this DNC machine work?
Going back the previous 20 years and spanning 6 elections, the total number of voters has gone up every year save for Obama's re-election year (an outlier owed to his historic 1st campaign) and for this past election cycle. Numbers going up isn't new. Donald Trump being the driving force causing a massive jump in voter participation, is new however. He brings out supporters and detractors in mass. To credit Kamala Harris, someone who when actually made to primary, lost without earning a single delegate is your bias shining through. This woman did actually run a campaign before and dropped out after Iowa. She didn't even make it the 2nd round of an actual primary. Yet you think she is carrying over 70 million votes and not the Democratic party/Anti-Trump votes? Think this through.

You're saying that he coalition isn't growing, is out of touch with reality. Do not let memes and Twitter confuse you. The same people saying Kamala isn't popular are the same ones who were questioning her Blackness and her Policies. Haven't seen a single nigga who questioned Kamala say anything about JD Vance policies or his Indian wife.......

You went on a tangent about the qualifications of HRC and Kamala. So to be clear, I am not questioning their qualifications. I know their records. But they were proven to be bad candidates based on the results of their candidacy. People didn't like them. They didn't. Misogyny? Absolutely. Racism regarding Kamala? Unquestionably. Based on misinformation and ridiculous double standards? Of course. But politics is a zero sum game. And they lost. Hilary had Bernie bodied out of the paint and still lost. Kamala didn't have to primary (and again when she did previously, she was defeated unceremoniously in the first round after receiving ZERO delegates.) and she still lost.
 
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