COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

The Lonious Monk said:
I got you.

I think the think the media was the bigger problem for Bernie. It was one thing for FOXNews to paint him as a crackpot, but MSNBC and CNN did the same thing. They kept on acting like everything he proposed was crazy. Even when he dropped his Healthcare plan the democratic outlets continued to act like it was some pie in the sky shit and not an actual laid out plan like it was. It's hard for a candidate to get traction when the people that are supposedly on his side are tearing him down too.
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As we know his ideas mostly help those outside of the 1% so he was vilified.

Lots of factors into it though, namely a lot of us has bought into the whole aspect that anything that helps regular folks is “socialism” along with mindset of “if you tax the rich, then when I get rich I will get taxed”.

Again ACA is another example. The original bill had a larger net and bigger aspirations.

It got sliced to what is is right now.

I think there was truth to CNN / MSNBC saying Bernie healthcare idea wouldn’t pass.

The evidence of that being ACA being gutted from its original intent and still being a big fight to pass the watered down version.
 
JAG said:
As we know his ideas mostly help those outside of the 1% so he was vilified.

Lots of factors into it though, namely a lot of us has bought into the whole aspect that anything that helps regular folks is “socialism” along with mindset of “if you tax the rich, then when I get rich I will get taxed”.

Again ACA is another example. The original bill had a larger net and bigger aspirations.

It got sliced to what is is right now.

I think there was truth to CNN / MSNBC saying Bernie healthcare idea wouldn’t pass.

The evidence of that being ACA being gutted from its original intent and still being a big fight to pass the watered down version.
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I get what you're saying, but I'll push back a little.

The ACA had to go uphill to get passed that's true, but by the time Bernie started running, the ACA was actually pretty popular. The polls were basically saying that the majority of Americans favored it. That's why the Reps couldn't just appeal it as soon as Trump got into office. If Bernie had support from the media and the Dems actually chose to portray the Universal Healthcare as the something that was even better than the ACA, they might have had a shot. Instead, CNN/MSNBC parroted the FOXNews talking point of "How are you going to pay for it?" even after the plan was released and we knew exactly how he was going to pay for it.

That's where the establishment comes in. Bernie's idea involved taking money from the rich and giving to the poor. All these political and media elites are rich. The Dems are more about helping the average citizen than the Reps, but how far will they go to do that if it means biting into their own share of the pie?
 
Now this is corruption. Trump-appointed judges ordered an administrative stay, and then do nothing -- all to protect Trump administration because the merits of the case may be too clear to actually rule in Trump's favor.

 
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TheNightKing said:
It’s impossible for any president to do enough unless they get a cult like following like Trump where he can do no wrong.

They expect perfection from flawed individuals in a deeply flawed system. Then those people don’t vote and here we are.
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Status quo is status quo. People got sick of not enough happening which made it easy for trump to come in and win ppl over by exploiting that frustration. This doesn't all fall on Obama but it does all fall on the establishment. No one expects perfection.
 
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