The United States Capitol is under siege by Trump Supporters

[TheNightKing]

It's not about Bernie playing the game right or wrong. The Democratic party actively opposes him. Remember we know for a fact they cheated in 2016. And this past primary when Bernie was actually leading, we know a fact that the corporate democrats were colluding behind his back to get a bunch of people to drop out at a crucial moment so that those votes would go to Biden.

On top of that, the mainstream media always supports the corporate Dems. People from MSNBC have already come out and said that they were given instructions to pain Bernie in a bad light and to practically ignore Yang and other candidates. The Democratic party does the same dirty shit to progressive candidates like Bernie that the Reps do to Dems.

I’ll agree that some shit went down behind the scenes, but I’m sure they pulled some of the same shit with Trump.

Difference was Trump appealed to so many people they had no choice but to let him through or face a revolt of the people that supported him. Remember all the talk of stopping him at the convention and the backlash they received? Remember almost every Republican calling him a lying con-man? But yet somehow he still persisted.

Bernie couldn’t garner that level of support unfortunately.

 

[Playmaker88]

Why relitigate again... Bernie wasn't the best messenger for progressive politics he ran from race and was extremely repetitive

His "bumper sticker" was asinine

 

[Mister B. M. Ed.]

They do in two ways actually. They'll do shit like push the '94 crime bill which they know will affect certain groups more than others, but they'll also point out the racism displayed by the Reps and try to use it to present themselves as being the racially just party.

Here's the thing:

Sadly, TONS of black people also pushed for that Crime Bill. You'd be surprised how many older black folk championed that shit.

 

[Marc123]

Here's the thing:

Sadly, TONS of black people also pushed for that Crime Bill. You'd be surprised how many older black folk championed that shit.

Didnt the national black caucus support the 94 crime bill?

 

[Mister B. M. Ed.]

As far as the 2016 (and 2020) race goes:

Bernie's solution is the most impractical of everyone. It's designed for a perfect utopia, which we know a purely Capitalistic nation like America could NEVER be. Free healthcare, free college, and the Green New Deal was simply too much for those right-wing muhfuckas to fathom. There was no way, with a GOP-controlled Senate that half that shit was going to pass. Bernie simply wasn't being practical enough for this world. Elizabeth Warren, too.

I wished that Andrew Yang ran back then. He wouldn't have won, but he would've pushed Hilary and Bernie a little more centric.

I also didn't hate John Kasich on the GOP side. He seemed to be the most level-headed of all of them. He wasn't pushing extremist tactics, nor ramping up rhetoric. He was going to allow state-controlled education, which as a teacher, seems a fuckload better than federal levels. That NCLB shit single-handedly ruined American Education.

Obviously, the white supremacist power structure feels they are on the ropes in America, which is how we got Donnie Dickwad and his army of minions.

 

[Mister B. M. Ed.]

Didnt the national black caucus support the 94 crime bill?

They sure the fuck did. This is why I don't trust Baby Boomers period, no matter WHAT their color. They caved on the Crime Bill, that 3 Strikes shit, even the "War On Drugs" going back to the Reagan days.

Fuck 85-90% of all Baby Boomers, especially the scared black ones. THEY'VE destroyed America more than anyone in the 21st century.

 

[Marc123]

As far as the 2016 (and 2020) race goes:

Bernie's solution is the most impractical of everyone. It's designed for a perfect utopia, which we know a purely Capitalistic nation like America is. Free healthcare, free college, and the Green New Deal was simply too much for those right-wing muhfuckas to fathom. There was no way, with a GOP-controlled Senate that half that shit was going to pass. Bernie simply wasn't being practical enough for this world. Elizabeth Warren, too.

I wished that Andrew Yang ran back then. He wouldn't have won, but he would've pushed Hilary and Bernie a little more centric.

I also didn't hate John Kasich on the GOP side. He seemed to be the most level-headed of all of them. He wasn't pushing extremist tactics, nor ramping up rhetoric. He was going to allow state-controlled education, which as a teacher, seems a fuckload better than federal levels. That NCLB shit single-handedly ruined American Education.

Obviously, the white supremacist power structure feels they are on the ropes in America, which is how we got Donnie Dickwad and his army of minions.

Kasich....Didnt he implement some of the strictest anti abortion laws as governor?

 

[Marc123]

They sure the fuck did. This is why I don't trust Baby Boomers period, no matter WHAT their color. They caved on the Crime Bill, that 3 Strikes shit, even the "War On Drugs" going back to the Reagan days.

Fuck 85-90% of all Baby Boomers, especially the scared black ones. THEY'VE destroyed America more than anyone in the 21st century.

I can actually remember when the 3 strikes law was 1st implemented. That shit was harsh as fuck. They basically compared life to a baseball game. WTF

 

[Scandalust313]

As far as the 2016 (and 2020) race goes:

Bernie's solution is the most impractical of everyone. It's designed for a perfect utopia, which we know a purely Capitalistic nation like America is. Free healthcare, free college, and the Green New Deal was simply too much for those right-wing muhfuckas to fathom. There was no way, with a GOP-controlled Senate that half that shit was going to pass. Bernie simply wasn't being practical enough for this world. Elizabeth Warren, too.

I wished that Andrew Yang ran back then. He wouldn't have won, but he would've pushed Hilary and Bernie a little more centric.

I also didn't hate John Kasich on the GOP side. He seemed to be the most level-headed of all of them. He wasn't pushing extremist tactics, nor ramping up rhetoric. He was going to allow state-controlled education, which as a teacher, seems a fuckload better than federal levels. That NCLB shit single-handedly ruined American Education.

Obviously, the white supremacist power structure feels they are on the ropes in America, which is how we got Donnie Dickwad and his army of minions.

Good points

Kasich is hard af on abortion tho...Americans, men and women, love their abortions

 

[Disanthrope]

Really should've stayed home

 

[Mister B. M. Ed.]

Look, I don't pretend to be an abortion expert. The biggest issue with abortion is that too many muhfuckas were/are using it as regular birth control. That thinking HAS to change going forward. That ERBC shit ain't fun when someone ends up knocked up.

Schools should be pushing birth control, instead of pushing religious doctrine. That, more than anything, will decrease abortion rates.

 

[Marc123]

As far as the 2016 (and 2020) race goes:

Bernie's solution is the most impractical of everyone. It's designed for a perfect utopia, which we know a purely Capitalistic nation like America is. Free healthcare, free college, and the Green New Deal was simply too much for those right-wing muhfuckas to fathom. There was no way, with a GOP-controlled Senate that half that shit was going to pass. Bernie simply wasn't being practical enough for this world. Elizabeth Warren, too.

I wished that Andrew Yang ran back then. He wouldn't have won, but he would've pushed Hilary and Bernie a little more centric.

I also didn't hate John Kasich on the GOP side. He seemed to be the most level-headed of all of them. He wasn't pushing extremist tactics, nor ramping up rhetoric. He was going to allow state-controlled education, which as a teacher, seems a fuckload better than federal levels. That NCLB shit single-handedly ruined American Education.

Obviously, the white supremacist power structure feels they are on the ropes in America, which is how we got Donnie Dickwad and his army of minions.

Health care is a interesting debate imo.

The "health care is a human right" is a interesting argument.

imo "health care with a conscience" is a better way to put it. Cuz in a truly capitalist society, everything does cost something. But the extremely high and exorbitant price for health care is basically a crime.

But in the current American society, some onus has to fall on the American public. obesity, lack of exercise, unhealthy diet, drugs and alcohol consumption. Basically a extremely shitty lifestyle. Then when you get sick, you expect other ppl to help pay for your shitty health, life choices. Man, fuck that

 

[Marc123]

Look, I don't pretend to be an abortion expert. The biggest issue with abortion is that too many muhfuckas were/are using it as regular birth control. That thinking HAS to change going forward. That ERBC shit ain't fun when someone ends up knocked up.

Schools should be pushing birth control, instead of pushing religious doctrine. That, more than anything, will decrease abortion rates.

Huh? You bout to tell a broad what she can n can not do w her body?

 

[Mister B. M. Ed.]

Huh? You bout to tell a broad what she can n can not do w her body?

I can't tell anyone shit. But we CAN educate them on how reproduction works. If they choose to willfully ignore it, than that's on them.

 

[Disanthrope]

but i would assume the dems benefit from white supremacy and racism aswell.

This is a mindblowing revelation to some of us

 

[TheNightKing]

Look, I don't pretend to be an abortion expert. The biggest issue with abortion is that too many muhfuckas were/are using it as regular birth control. That thinking HAS to change going forward. That ERBC shit ain't fun when someone ends up knocked up.

Schools should be pushing birth control, instead of pushing religious doctrine. That, more than anything, will decrease abortion rates.

I’ll agree on the abortion part. Some people do abuse it. But there’s also a lack of education and proper access to birth control. Most schools and even parents don’t teach their kids about sex properly. They just say don’t do it.

Im against abortion as a moral stance, but I’m on the fence from a legal stance. Therefore, I don’t see any politician’s stance on abortion as a deal breaker.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I’ll agree that some shit went down behind the scenes, but I’m sure they pulled some of the same shit with Trump.

Difference was Trump appealed to so many people they had no choice but to let him through or face a revolt of the people that supported him. Remember all the talk of stopping him at the convention and the backlash they received? Remember almost every Republican calling him a lying con-man? But yet somehow he still persisted.

Bernie couldn’t garner that level of support unfortunately.

The Rep politicians called Trump a conman until they realized how popular he was with their base. Since then, they've spent years kissing Trump's ass. The Dems realized Bernie was popular with the base and resorted to using dirty tricks to smear him and cheat him.

That's the difference. The Reps just want to win. They don't give a fuck who they back or what that person is about as long as they maintain power. The Dems have figureheads and they are willing to promote those figureheads even if it means losing like they did in 2016 or pushing a weak candidate like they did this year.

Here's the thing:

Sadly, TONS of black people also pushed for that Crime Bill. You'd be surprised how many older black folk championed that shit.

Yeah, you're right. That shouldn't be that surprising when you think about though. The black people living in violent neighborhoods in the 90s wanted something done about the crime. When politicians put forth proposals that were supposed to end the crime, a lot of those people were happy. They didn't really think about the long term implications.

 

[Mister B. M. Ed.]

I’ll agree on the abortion part. Some people do abuse it. But there’s also a lack of education and proper access to birth control. Most schools and even parents don’t teach their kids about sex properly. They just say don’t do it.

Im against abortion as a moral stance, but I’m on the fence from a legal stance. Therefore, I don’t see any politician’s stance on abortion as a deal breaker.

And that's the bullseye here:

When it comes to "rights", people - especially Americans - seems to forget we have responsibilities with those rights.

We have the RIGHT to bear arms, but also a responsibility to do this in a safe and practical manner. That's why we need background checks and other protective measures; when we don't implement them properly, we get the Dylan Roofs and Las Vegas shooters of the world.

We have the RIGHT to birth control, but also have a responsibility to use it in a manner to literally control population. When we don't use it properly, you get a country with 340 MILLION people that's not designed to take care of all its citizens; you also get stupid shit like Teen Mom on MTV, and shows like Maury/Springer/Jenny Jones, as well as 500K orphans country-wide.

We have the RIGHT to freedom of speech, but have a responsibility to make sure that shit doesn't advocate for violence against others. When it's abused.....well, you get this shit at the Capitol.

Ultimately, America was built on the premise of people being able to understand what the responsibilities are that goes with all these rights we want. The problem is, there's just way too many irresponsible people in this muhfucka.

 

[25centsandwich]

The Rep politicians called Trump a conman until they realized how popular he was with their base. Since then, they've spent years kissing Trump's ass. The Dems realized Bernie was popular with the base and resorted to using dirty tricks to smear him and cheat him.

That's the difference. The Reps just want to win. They don't give a fuck who they back or what that person is about as long as they maintain power. The Dems have figureheads and they are willing to promote those figureheads even if it means losing like they did in 2016 or pushing a weak candidate like they did this year.

This is just not true. Bernie, at least in 2020, tried to get nominated with a clear minority of the vote using an extremely unreliable voting bloc.

When he had to convince dem voters smart enough to realize that "free" isnt free and his message was doa against trump and the gop, he got blasted against the more moderate candidate (biden)

Of course, this doesnt stop his followers from spreading misinformation about the msm (despite progressives getting tons of attention and positive press) and the dnc (who were on their best behavior after 2016).

And of course getting trump out was the primary goal...i mean now you see why.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

This is just not true. Bernie, at least in 2020, tried to get nominated with a clear minority of the vote using an extremely unreliable voting bloc.

When he had to convince dem voters smart enough to realize that "free" isnt free and his message was doa against trump and the gop, he got blasted against the more moderate candidate (biden)

Of course, this doesnt stop his followers from spreading misinformation about the msm (despite progressives getting tons of attention and positive press) and the dnc (who were on their best behavior after 2016).

And of course getting trump out was the primary goal...i mean now you see why.

That's not true at all. Bernie was in the lead going into the South Carolina primary, which was crucial. At that point, the DNC conspired and several of the moderate candidates dropped out so that Biden would get their votes. This isn't speculation. It's been confirmed.

Trump and the GOP's feelings about Bernie's message are irrelevant. He didn't need their votes. His messaging was still popular among Dems. Even now they are. Why else do you think Joe is talking about watered down versions of Bernie's proposals like free college for families under 135K and forgiving 10K of student debt. Hell, MSNBC even had a segment on this week about how social democracy isn't so bad. All that after trying to paint Bernie as a crazy Venezuelan socialist.

At the end of the day, Bernie was consistent about his proposals and he had them formulated and documented and out there for everyone to read when Joe was still yelling at people and telling them to go vote for someone else. Joe did not beat Bernie. The establishment did. Just like in 2016. Hell, even Trump came out and said the Dems screwed Bernie.