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Breaking News The Taliban topples city after city as they continue their campaign to takeover Afghanistan

I knew that shit was going to happen. The question is are they just going to bomb that shit off the map eventually with no regard for the people there who aren't part of the group deemed as the enemy.
 
AZTG said:
Nope. They are gonna let the Taliban take control and build diplomatic relationships with them
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LLS and just eventually have a repeat of the shit that has happened before. This shit just retarded. Can't keep thinking you're going to tell other countries to govern themselves how you want them to. Then when they say no tell the world they are bad, terrorists, put global sanctions on them and then eventually go to war with them.

How many times is this situation going to repeat itself?
 
DMorgan said:
LLS and just eventually have a repeat of the shit that has happened before. This shit just retarded. Can't keep thinking you're going to tell other countries to govern themselves how you want them to. Then when they say no tell the world they are bad, terrorists, put global sanctions on them and then eventually go to war with them.

How many times is this situation going to repeat itself?
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Facts.

Also gotta give props to the Taliban.

They got bombed, killed, and pushed out all their cities, waited a whole 20 years, and as soon as the US left, they took back over in a matter of weeks.
 
AZTG said:
Facts.

Also gotta give props to the Taliban.

They got bombed, killed, and pushed out all their cities, waited a whole 20 years, and as soon as the US left, they took back over in a matter of weeks.
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DEDICATION

Gotta respect it even if I don't agree with everything I've been told they stand for and how they do certain things.
 
Imagine losing almost 10k US soldiers, killing thousands of civilians, spending trillions of dollars over 20 years, and then leaving afganistan the same as you found it.

Same thing in Iraq. All the shit i said above, and then turn around and have the iraqi govt kick you out and form an allegiance with Iran.

These shits is bigger failures than Vietnam. Time to put rest the idea that the US army can go and do anything.
 
AZTG said:
They for sure stand for the worst shit you can think of. Like fuck the Taliban.

But gotta respect how they stood their ground and won against the strongest army in the world.
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tbf, them motherfuckers just hid in Pakistan. The Taliban are Pashtuns so when the US came in, Pakistan basically opened their borders to them. All they had to do was wait until America lost it's appetite for the war. They played it proper.

This isn't a military defeat to be honest, it's a diplomatic one. The military can fuck people up all day and night but it don't mean shit if leadership is just winging it. They went in and removed the Taliban from power in like a month but then got told to sit on their thumbs for years on end, dropping a big ass bomb or two when the President or Congress needed some good PR back home.

It's like motherfuckers weren't even aware of what Afghanistan was before they went in. To be honest, shit really not constructed to be one unified nation. For that, you need a national identity and for large portions of that country, that's just not happening. Some of them people are tribal af and have no real need for national government. To some, both the U.S. and the Afghan Government were invaders.

The entire thing was just dumb. Osama ass was chilling in Pakistan the entire time. Same country they still giving billions of our dollars to. It's a racket, like @OhMars said.
 
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I believe The us could have stay in iraq and Afghanistan if they wanted to. the mission now is fucking up china, so the us is reorienting resource to taiwan and southeast asia. china is priority number 1 now and going forward.
 
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i think Myanmar is the next war zone. Pakistan also might see a civil war. any country important to china is headed for conflict .
 
Welp....this is what the American public and the Middle Eastern civilians asked for: bring the troops home.

They home now. The American Armed Forces should be like "fuck 'em" from here on.
 
Ccslim said:
Iran and Afganistan were very "westernized" until the US got involved with both countries .
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Iran's Shah was US-backed. He started doing fucked up shit to the people and we kept supporting him so they had a revolution. Problem with popular revolutions though is that they are spawned out of straight up emotion so people aren't really thinking in the long-term. They wanted the Shah gone, they didn't want to turn into a theocracy. But right after the revolution came the Iran-Iraq war so they had to make a choice; rock with the Mullahs for a bit so Iraq doesn't take over the country or roll the dice on fighting another revolution while also staving off an invasion by Saddam.

Even though they technically won (at least imo), it did damage the country a lot. The constant feeling of outsiders looking to exploit Iran made it easy for the Mullahs to convince a lot of the populace that they were under siege and they had to continue supporting them lest they find themselves subservient to some foreign power. That's pretty much been the gameplan ever since.

That's why the war industry was so against the Iran deal and why the Mullahs were so quick to say fuck it when Trump came into office. Neither of them benefit from America and Iran not being at odds. The War industry makes money (and really want a war with them for even more money) and the Mullahs get to maintain power.
 
Swabbie said:
tbf, them motherfuckers just hid in Pakistan. The Taliban are Pashtuns so when the US came in, Pakistan basically opened their borders to them. All they had to do was wait until America lost it's appetite for the war. They played it proper.

This isn't a military defeat to be honest, it's a diplomatic one. The military can fuck people up all day and night but it don't mean shit if leadership is just winging it. They went in and removed the Taliban from power in like a month but then got told to sit on their thumbs for years on end, dropping a big ass bomb or two when the President or Congress needed some good PR back home.

It's like motherfuckers weren't even aware of what Afghanistan was before they went in. To be honest, shit really not constructed to be one unified nation. For that, you need a national identity and for large portions of that country, that's just not happening. Some of them people are tribal af and have no real need for national government. To some, both the U.S. and the Afghan Government were invaders.

The entire thing was just dumb. Osama ass was chilling in Pakistan the entire time. Same country they still giving billions of our dollars to. It's a racket, like @OhMars said.
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This is for sure a military defeat.

You go in with your full army, including airplanes, to defeat a foe, and you withdraw without defeating the foe.

You can say that this isn't a conventional military defeat, and you will be right about that.

But this does show that the US army isnt capable of winning a war with urban combat.

This shows that the US army isnt capable of forcing regime changes.

The idea was that the US army goes in, defeats the Taliban, puts in a new regime, and leaves in 3 years.

Instead, the US army stayed for 20 years, and left with the Taliban back in power.
 
Philosophically this can get deep.

Che Guevera in his book Guerrilla Warfare wrote that you can only succeed in revolution if its popular. The term "popular revolution" exists for a reason. Che wrote that the first thing you need to do in revolution is to get the backing of the people quick, if not, your revolution will fail.

This can be applied to the US failure in afganistan. The US isnt popular in Afganistan, and neither is the regime the US backed for 20 years.

And this proves no matter how powerful you are as a military, you wont succeed in regime change unless you have the support of the people
 
AZTG said:
This is for sure a military defeat.

You go in with your full army, including airplanes, to defeat a foe, and you withdraw without defeating the foe.

You can say that this isn't a conventional military defeat, and you will be right about that.

But this does show that the US army isnt capable of winning a war with urban combat.

This shows that the US army isnt capable of forcing regime changes.

The idea was that the US army goes in, defeats the Taliban, puts in a new regime, and leaves in 3 years.

Instead, the US army stayed for 20 years, and left with the Taliban back in power.
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But see the problem is with your statement is that the Taliban did lose. The Taliban completely controlled the country prior to the invasion and they were beaten and removed. They fell back beyond the borders of Pakistan and just waited. Had American leadership showed competency, there would be no vacuum for the Taliban to exploit when they eventually left. The military objectives were achieved, the diplomatic ones failed.

The American military wiped the floor with the Iraqi military but bullshit at the top of the government led to a vacuum that was filled by ISIS and shit. That's a diplomatic failure.

Not having the support of the people is a diplomatic issue.

dip·lo·mat·ic /ˌdipləˈmadik/
adjective 1. of or concerning the profession, activity, or skill of managing international relations.
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Swabbie said:
Iran's Shah was US-backed. He started doing fucked up shit to the people and we kept supporting him so they had a revolution. Problem with popular revolutions though is that they are spawned out of straight up emotion so people aren't really thinking in the long-term. They wanted the Shah gone, they didn't want to turn into a theocracy. But right after the revolution came the Iran-Iraq war so they had to make a choice; rock with the Mullahs for a bit so Iraq doesn't take over the country or roll the dice on fighting another revolution while also staving off an invasion by Saddam.

Even though they technically won (at least imo), it did damage the country a lot. The constant feeling of outsiders looking to exploit Iran made it easy for the Mullahs to convince a lot of the populace that they were under siege and they had to continue supporting them lest they find themselves subservient to some foreign power. That's pretty much been the gameplan ever since.

That's why the war industry was so against the Iran deal and why the Mullahs were so quick to say fuck it when Trump came into office. Neither of them benefit from America and Iran not being at odds. The War industry makes money (and really want a war with them for even more money) and the Mullahs get to maintain power.
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i think some of the people at that time didnt like the rapid westernization and thats what made Ruhollah Khomeini so appealing. some if those people wanted shariah his rapid liberalization and giving women rights upset some folks.

I blame israel and saudi arabia for constantly lobbying for war with iran.
 
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