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This is an L for trump. Even if criminal charges/impeachment dont come from this it farther exposes his misconduct and willingness to abuse his power.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
Does this mean that he laid it all out for prosecuters to bite instead?
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Nah cuz I think the one thing Meueller tried to avoid in all this was the fight for whether a sitting president can be indicted and how that d even work....essentially he s laying out the misconduct he can prove and allowing Congress to handle their business if they so choose to
 
This is my confusion:

One side is saying...Mueller cant bring charges to a sitting president. So he cant say he committed a crime...but if he could clear him of the accusation he would....but hes not doing that either bc he is guilty....he just can't say it.

Other side is saying: Yea he tried to pull some shit but his efforts were unsuccessful therefore regardless of his intention the actual crime wasnt committed.

This is where im confused. Which one is it?
 
ChicagoFigure said:
This is my confusion:

One side is saying...Mueller cant bring charges to a sitting president. So he cant say he committed a crime...but if he could clear him of the accusation he would....but hes not doing that either bc he is guilty....he just can't say it.

Other side is saying: Yea he tried to pull some shit but his efforts were unsuccessful therefore regardless of his intention the actual crime wasnt committed.

This is where im confused. Which one is it?
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...both.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
This is my confusion:

One side is saying...Mueller cant bring charges to a sitting president. So he cant say he committed a crime...but if he could clear him of the accusation he would....but hes not doing that either bc he is guilty....he just can't say it.

Other side is saying: Yea he tried to pull some shit but his efforts were unsuccessful therefore regardless of his intention the actual crime wasnt committed.

This is where im confused. Which one is it?
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He s putting it in Congress hands
 
ChicagoFigure said:
Does this mean that he laid it all out for prosecuters to bite instead?
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The “prosecutors” in this case is the legislative branch of government via impeachment.

Justice Department Guidelines dictate that you cannot indict a sitting President so as to impede his ability to carry out the most important job in the country.
 
Evidence is clear. While it doesn't raise to the level of criminality because they chose not to push his efforts were u American, immoral and corrupt


He should d be impeached.. The democrats are weak as fuck for not drawing up impeachment article because it won't get Bipartisan support .. .All in efforts to protect some bullshit sanctity put it on the record for posterity
 
Playmaker88 said:
Evidence is clear. While it doesn't raise to the level of criminality because they chose not to push his efforts were u American, immoral and corrupt


He should d be impeached.. The democrats are weak as fuck for not drawing up impeachment article because it won't get Bipartisan support .. .All in efforts to protect some bullshit sanctity put it on the record for posterity
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The Dems don't have control of the Senate. Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't the Senate the one who has to issue that, and have a certain number of votes to push it?
 
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mueller-report-trump-tower-meeting

Why Mueller Decided Not To Charge Don Jr. Over June 2016 Trump Tower Meeting

The unredacted version of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report released on Thursday reveals that while the Mueller team “considered” charging Donald Trump Jr. and other campaign officials who attended the infamous June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, Mueller’s team concluded that they did not have enough evidence to file any charges.

In the redacted report, Mueller laid out that the events surrounding the meeting could implicate an elections law ban on receiving contributions from foreign nationals. The report states that there are “reasonable arguments” that the offer of damaging information on Clinton would constitute a campaign contribution under the relevant elections law provision.

Yet, the Mueller team concluded that two factors would prevent them from meeting the burden of proof required to file charges.

The first was that they felt they did not have enough evidence to prove that the Trump campaign officials involved in planning and attending the meeting were acting “willfully,” which the report defines as having “general knowledge of the illegality of their conduct.” Mueller’s investigators were unable to find “evidence that the participants in the meeting were familiar with the foreign-contribution ban,” according to the redacted report.

The report adds that Trump Jr. “could mount a factual defense that he did not believe his response to the offer and the June 9 meeting itself violated the law,” and that Jared Kushner could use a similar defense given he was not as involved in setting up the meeting. Mueller’s team also noted that “while [Paul] Manafort is experienced with political campaigns, the Office has not developed evidence showing that he had relevant knowledge of these legal issues.”

Mueller’s team does note in the redacted report that they have evidence of attempts to hide the meeting, they did not find “strong evidence” that those involved tried to conceal the meeting around the time it took place. Because these attempts to hide the meeting occurred much later and included people who did not attend the meeting, those efforts “may reflect an intention to avoid political consequences rather than any prior knowledge of illegality.”

The Mueller team secondly concluded they would struggle to “prove beyond a reasonable doubt” that the promise of dirt on Clinton would constitute a campaign contribution. The report explains that while previous rulings suggest, in the Mueller team’s view, that the promise of opposition research on an opponent would constitute a contribution, no U.S. judge has yet ruled on that specifically and it’s unclear how courts would resolve the question. The report also notes that the Mueller team believed they would struggle to prove that the promise of information would exceed the $2,000 criminal threshold for a felony violation or the $25,000 threshold for felony punishment.

“Accordingly, taking into account the high burden to establish a culpable mental state in a campaign-finance prosecution and the difficulty in establishing the required valuation, the Office decided not to pursue criminal campaign-finance charges against Trump Jr. or other campaign officials for the events culminating in the June 9 meeting,” the report reads.
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/mueller-biggest-bombshells

Here Are The Biggest Bombshells From The Redacted Mueller Report

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s redacted 448-page report on the Russia investigation revealed colorful behind-the-scenes reactions and even almost-indictments.

Here are some of the biggest bombshells we now know so far:

Trump was extremely upset when he learned of Mueller’s appointment
According to notes taken by then-Attorney General Jeff Session’s chief of staff, Trump “slumped back in his chair,” exclaiming: “Oh my God. This is the end of my presidency. I’m fucked.”

He upbraided Sessions for recusing himself, telling him that he was derelict in his duty to protect the President and compared him unfavorably to previous attorneys general Eric Holder and Robert Kennedy.

“Everyone tells me if you get one of those independent counsels it ruins your presidency,” he said. “It takes years and years and I won’t be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.”

Trump asked former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn to find Hillary Clinton’s deleted emails
Per the report, Trump “made this request repeatedly, and Flynn subsequently contacted multiple people in an effort to obtain the emails.”

One of the people Flynn contacted, Senate staffer Barbara Leeden, who was then working for Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), reportedly said that “even if a single email was recovered and the providence [sic] of that email was a foreign service, it would be catastrophic to the Clinton campaign.”

Leeden claimed to have found a “trove” of Clinton’s emails from the “dark web,” but they proved inauthentic.

Mueller considered charging Donald Trump Jr. for his participation in the Trump Tower meeting
“Taking into account the high burden to establish a culpable mental state in a campaign-finance prosecution and the difficulty in establishing the required valuation, the Office decided not to pursue criminal campaign-finance charges against Trump Jr. or other campaign officials for the events culminating in the June 9 meeting,” the report reads.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders admitted that she misled the press after Trump fired former FBI Director James Comey
At a press conference immediately following Comey’s firing, Sanders told a reporter that “countless members of the FBI” had expressed a loss of faith in the FBI director prior to his termination. When questioned by Mueller’s team, she reportedly said that it was a “slip of the tongue” comment she made in the “heat of the moment” and was factually baseless.

Attorney General Bill Barr significantly mischaracterized Mueller’s thought process on the obstruction question
In the hours before the report was released, Barr told reporters that Mueller was “not saying that but for the OLC opinion, he would have found a crime,” referring to the Office of Legal Council’s opinion that a sitting President cannot be indicted. “He made it clear that he had not made the determination that there was a crime.”

In reality, the redacted report shows that the OLC policy shaped Mueller’s complete approach to the obstruction question, leading him to determine that charging Trump while he was in office was not even an option.

The parameters Mueller was working within shed light on his decision not to charge Trump with any obstruction-related crimes, while still maintaining that the evidence did not exonerate him.

Russia hacked and extracted voter data from the Illinois State Board of Elections, may have broken into a Florida county government and targeted private companies that help run elections
In an alarming detail, the redacted report confirms that Russian hackers successfully broke into the Illinois State Board of Elections’ network and “extracted” the information of thousands of voters before the hack was detected.

The FBI believes — though the special counsel did not independently verify— that the hackers also got into a Florida county government’s database.

Outside the governments themselves, hackers targeted private companies involved in administering elections and providing voting technology.

Trump Jr. gave a heads up about the Trump Tower meeting before it took place to a group of senior staffers and Trump family members
Former Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates said that Trump Jr. announced the upcoming Trump Tower meeting during a meeting of senior campaign staff in 2016.

The group included former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former communications director Hope Hicks and Trump family members Eric, Ivanka and Jared Kushner.

Hicks reportedly denied knowing about the meeting before 2017.

Trump started putting out feelers to dump Comey at the first sign of trouble when the FBI interviewed Flynn
In January 2017, then-acting Attorney General Sally Yates talked to White House Counsel Don McGahn about Flynn’s interview with the FBI, leaving him with the impression that the FBI did not yet have enough evidence to nab Flynn but that he was getting into hot water.

After McGahn conveyed the conversation to the President and explained the situation, Trump immediately started softening the ground to fire Comey. That night, at dinner with senior advisers, he started asking around for impressions of Comey, a classic Trump tick when he’s going cold on someone.

Senate Intel Committee Chairman Richard Burr gave the White House information about the FBI’s Russia probe
Burr confirmed to the White House Counsel’s Office that the FBI was investigating “4-5 targets” as part of the investigation into Russia’s election interference, and gave the lawyers status updates.

This is significant because McGahn’s chief of staff wrote in her notes that the President was “in panic/chaos” after Comey briefed the Gang of Eight on the investigation and was desperate for more information.

Even after his lifetime of various legal troubles, Trump thinks “great lawyers” don’t take notes
In a more lighthearted aside, a conversation between Trump and McGahn suggests Trump has gotten some shoddy legal representation over the years.

Trump to McGahn: “Why do you take notes? Lawyers don’t take notes. I never had a lawyer who took notes.”

McGahn said he did so because he is a “real lawyer”

“I’ve had a lot of great lawyers, like Roy Cohn,” Trump replied. “He did not take notes.”

Trump dictated a statement to former Campaign Manager Cory Lewandowski for Sessions to deliver publicly that said Trump was being treated “very unfairly” by the special counsel’s investigation, and that would limit Mueller’s scope to future election interference only
“But our POTUS…is being treated very unfairly,” the dictated statement reads. “He didn’t do anything wrong except he ran the greatest campaign in American history.”

“I am going to meet with the Special Prosector to explain this is very unfair and let the Special Prosector move forward with investigation election meddling for future elections so that nothing can happen in future elections,” it concludes.

By this juncture, Trump was already hopping mad with Sessions for recusing himself and saw his attorney general as “weak.”
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https://www.mediaite.com/trump/sara...t-james-comeys-unpopularity-within-fbi-ranks/

Sarah Sanders Told Mueller She Lied to Press About Comey’s Unpopularity Within FBI Ranks

Stunning details continue to emerge from the Thursday release of the Mueller Report. In this episode, we take a look at a claim made by White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders, specifically regarding the firing of former FBI Director James Comey and how she related the reaction of that dismissal amongst the rank and file at the FBI.

Turns out, she lied.

Under oath to investigators that were part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’steam, Sanders admitted that she fabricated claims that they had heard from many in the FBI that were celebrating Comey’s firing. The moment she said that is captured by CBS News reporter Steven Portnoy who tweeted the clip below:

According to the Mueller report, however, “Sanders acknowledged to investigators that her comments were not founded on anything.”

Critics often claim the Trump administration and its press secretary Sanders pollute public discourse with outright lies. And, to be fair, fudging the truth or exaggerating to the media is not just legal, it’s a time-honored tradition.

But the active besmirching of the reputation of a long-time and civil servant (who quite ironically, helped get President Donald Trump elected) by telling a story made of whole cloth is a new level of dishonesty.

If Sanders returns to the White House press briefing room anytime soon, it might be difficult for critical reporters to take her words at face value.
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All throughout this shit I keep hearing no one was charged because of lack of intent or not willfully breaking the law.

I thought ignorance of the law is not a defense?
 
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