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So how do yall think this ends? Which side will give in? I think trump will declare a "national emergancy" and try and get it that way but itll be taken to court where hell lose, then if dems do give in this shit will take years and years to finish and i could see a dem president just cancel the damn thing, trump doesnt really give a fuck about a wall, just wants this so he can use it for reelection, he aint got shit left after this, he knows dems aint gonna pass a damn thing now that they control house, dude is basically throwing a hail mary
 
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/tim-scott-steve-king-offensive

After Chastising Steve King In Op-Ed, Sen. Scott Won’t Say Congressman Is Racist

After Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) penned an op-ed on Friday blasting Rep. Steve King’s (R-IA) comments about white nationalism, Scott stopped short of calling King racist in an interview on Fox News and said the congressman should not resign.

“I don’t think he should resign. His voters have elected him. He has, without any question, the power of his office. I think what should happen, however, is he should take a step back from the damage he’s doing to the country and frankly to our party,” Scott told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto.

Cavuto followed up and asked Scott if King is racist.

“I don’t know him well enough to know what the intentions of his heart really are, to be honest with you. But I can tell you his comments are polarizing at least, and frankly I find them offensive,” Scott replied.

Later in the interview, Cavuto asked how Republicans should address King’s statements if he won’t step down. Scott did not have a solution in mind.

“I don’t know how we play that out. Frankly, people have the right to say what they want to say. We have the right to respond to what they say. His voters elected him, and I have to respect the fact that the voters saw something beyond his comments that was worthy of public service,” Scott told Cavuto.

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“I’ll lose my livelihood for a wall, it’s cool..”

*1 year later*

“Immigration is the same and I regret my vote..”
 
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/sanders-ambitions-may-be-on-shaky-ground

Sanders’ 2020 Ambitions May Be On Shaky Ground Amid Allegations

NEW YORK (AP) — Allies of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are rallying behind the embattled presidential prospect, even as they reluctantly begin to ponder a painful possibility: a 2020 presidential field without him.

The 77-year-old self-described democratic socialist is the most prominent presidential contender to face a serious setback in the nascent 2020 campaign season. He’s been forced to confront a series of reports detailing allegations of sexual harassment of women by male staffers when he ran for president in 2016.

Sanders’ loyalists fully expect him to launch a second campaign in the coming weeks. And his broad network of die-hard supporters is hosting hundreds of events across the nation this weekend encouraging him to run.

But the persistent allegations put Sanders in an unenviable political position in the early days of a presidential contest playing out in a #MeToo era that’s offered little mercy for those associated with allegations of sexual harassment. While his Democratic competitors tour crucial states and scope out potential campaign headquarters, Sanders spent Thursday apologizing for the behavior of a handful of his 2016 staffers and looking for a new ones to run his 2020 operation should he enter the race.

Some Sanders allies expressed shaken confidence in the political future of the man who has reshaped Democratic politics in recent years and almost single-handed brought liberal priorities like “Medicare for all” and free college education into the party’s mainstream.

“If he doesn’t run, there’s a massive void in this country,” said RoseAnn DeMoro, an activist and former executive director of the National Nurses United union, who reiterated her support for Sanders. “The passion in that base goes away. That base evaporates. It doesn’t go to someone else. There would be a void so deep it would go to (President Donald) Trump, I suspect.”

Politico reported Wednesday that in July 2016, a former senior adviser forcibly kissed a young female staffer after making sexually explicit comments. Sanders’ team said the adviser, who denies the allegation, would not be involved in a second campaign should there be one; and former campaign manager Jeff Weaver, who was aware of some of the incidents, would not serve as campaign manager again.

No one has alleged that Sanders had direct knowledge of the incidents.

“Obviously, it’s impacted all of us quite a bit. It’s very upsetting,” said Heather Gautney, executive director of Our Revolution, the political arm of Sanders’ network.

Despite her concern, Gautney warned Democrats that a 2020 contest without Sanders would inflict serious damage on ambitious plans to shake up health care, education, housing and other liberal priorities.

“Bernie is holding the flank on the left. If he doesn’t run for president, then the whole horizon shifts, and universal health care maybe gets taken off the table,” Gautney said. “In my view, he is an absolutely necessary part of our political system.”

Sanders may not be taken seriously by some in the political establishment, but he would be a force in the 2020 contest should he run. Having nearly beaten Hillary Clinton in the 2016 contest, he boasts an engaged nationwide network, an incredible grassroots fundraising ability, and would almost certainly take some of the very same voters being courted by likely 2020 contenders such as Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker and former Texas Congressman Beto O’Rourke.

Former Sanders’ staffer Giulianna Di Lauro Velez, who alleged she was harassed during the 2016 campaign, wrote Thursday in The Intercept that sexual harassment is prevalent in many political campaigns. But she wrote that new allegations on Sanders 2016 campaign indicate “the depth of the problem was likely deeper than most knew.”

She called on Sanders to “take the rare step of setting up an independent investigation into the 2016 allegations.”

A Sanders spokesman did not immediately respond to questions about Velez’s comments.

Earlier in the day, Sanders apologized, as he did last week, for the harm done under his watch and offered a direct message to women affected.

“I thank them from the bottom of my heart for speaking out. What they experienced was absolutely unacceptable and certainly not what a progressive campaign — or any campaign — should be about,” Sanders said during an unrelated Capitol Hill press conference, highlighting mandatory training and a third-party hotline instituted during his subsequent Senate re-election to safeguard against further harassment.

Sanders added: “Every woman in this country who goes to work today or tomorrow has the right to make sure that she is working in an environment which is free of harassment, which is safe and is comfortable, and I will do my best to make that happen.”

Sanders’ critics in the Democratic Party — and many remain three years after his heated feud with Clinton — seized on the new revelations as reason to abandon any 2020 plans.

“These allegations inform us that Bernie is really not concerned about the well-being of women. And therefore, he would not represent us well as the president,” said Toni Van Pelt, president of the National Organization for Women. “I really think Bernie needs to sit down.”

Sanders’ vast political network does not agree.

Several groups allied with the Vermont senator have ramped up activities in recent days to bolster a likely presidential bid. Our Revolution launched a “Run Bernie Run” online campaign and petition drive on Wednesday while groups like People for Bernie Sanders and Organizing for Bernie plan to host nearly 400 events across the country on Saturday encouraging a second run.

Katherine Brezler, co-founder of People for Bernie Sanders, said the allegations of sexual harassment had absolutely no impact on her preference for Sanders. The New York activist said that sexual harassment was present in virtually every one of the 100 or so campaigns she’s worked on.

“I’ve met those people and they’re not Bernie Sanders,” Brezler said. “We are not going anywhere.”
 
“I’ll lose my livelihood for a wall, it’s cool..”

*1 year later*

“Immigration is the same and I regret my vote..”

I would say you can tell these people were never made to read Animal Farm in school, but I highly doubt they would have understood it.
 
Good read. "Cost Run" was the same term the contractor was saying to Stringer Bell on The Wire bleeding his pockets


Yep!

Those contractors will have a field day "reworking" things and running into problem after problem and milk the government/tax payers for years on end. This should be common sense, but you know how that saying goes.......

I wouldn't doubt if the wall would cost in excess of 100 billion if it was ever built (which it won't).
 
Worth the click to read the whole thing



I have vast experience doing government construction with my current company and I posted her same sentiments about a year ago in this thread. This wasn't planned out through engineers, which makes the costs misleading. Those change orders / modifications are going to triple the cost of the wall. Then after you build it, you have to pay for staff for daily operations and routine / non-routine maintenance functions. Costs associated with each non-routine maintenance issue will be submitted by the contractor to the US government. 45 is trying to put one of his boys on this contract and get paid on the back end.....thats one of the reasons he is trying to get the wall built.
 
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