The Official World Politics Thread

[Marc123]

nigga pls...

Trump knows exactly what he is doing.

He knows the national/main stream news media is kinda over the MAL raid story. Its losing steam.

So he is doin n sayin whatever to stay in the news cycle.

Any press is good press

 

[Inori]

I heard he really thinks weed is a gate way drug n bad cuz of hunter.

Its a personal issue for him

That's no excuse imo.

Im sure it's been brought to his attention that by descheduling it, medical researchers can look into it for potential benefits including cancer treatments which I would imagine is also a personal issue for him.

It's long been known that gateway drug shit is false.. if anything alcohol is more of a gateway drug.

Descheduling, decriminalizing and/or legalizing would likely push dems over the top for the midterms.. most of the country on both sides supports it...it would boost the economy and by extension more money would be collected by taxing it.. just makes common sense to see it through

 

[DMorgan]

That's no excuse imo.

Im sure it's been brought to his attention that by descheduling it, medical researchers can look into it for potential benefits including cancer treatments which I would imagine is also a personal issue for him.

It's long been known that gateway drug shit is false.. if anything alcohol is more of a gateway drug.

Descheduling, decriminalizing and/or legalizing would likely push dems over the top for the midterms.. most of the country on both sides supports it...it would boost the economy and by extension more money would be collected by taxing it.. just makes common sense to see it through

There is another side to all that though. Private prisons still make crazy money. For a long time they've donated to and funded campaigns. Politicians on both sides can't just take that revenue away from those people without having viable plan to replace it.

 

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[Swabbie]

I heard he really thinks weed is a gate way drug n bad cuz of hunter.

Its a personal issue for him

He campaigned on decriminalization and expunging the records of those with federal charges from it. His talking heads came out and said he was working on it.

Take that with a grain of salt but to be fair to him, he did say he was working on the student loan shit and he ultimately came through on that.

 

[Swabbie]

There is another side to all that though. Private prisons still make crazy money. For a long time they've donated to and funded campaigns. Politicians on both sides can't just take that revenue away from those people without having viable plan to replace it.

Didn't he sign an executive order cancelling the federal governments contracts with a lot of those private prisons? I heard something about that but there was some loophole or something.

 

[DMorgan]

Didn't he sign an executive order cancelling the federal governments contracts with a lot of those private prisons? I heard something about that but there was some loophole or something.

Obama did it, Trump brought the contracts back and Biden cancelled them again but as always here is the kicker and bullshit cause people never get down in the weeds to read what is really going on. Thing is plenty of states still use private prisons.

"When it comes to private prisons, the impact of this order is going to be slight to none," said John Pfaff, a professor of law at the Fordham University School of Law. "This is not about shrinking the footprint of the federal prison system, it’s just about transferring people to public facilities. Biden is telling an executive agency under his control what kind of contracts they can enter, that’s a core executive function of Biden’s."

Still states can still choose "who to write contracts with," Pfaff said. "In practice, this will end up being more symbolic and will have little impact on any issue of racial justice and the system. The symbolism carries the very real risk of making us blind to the nearly identical incentives of the public prison sector, and the public side is so much vaster in scope."

Biden’s order terminates federal private prison contracts. Experts say it’s a start.

President Joe Biden vowed to ultimately put an end to private prisons, but activists says the move isn't enough to fully address mass incarcerations.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Swabbie]

Obama did it, Trump brought the contracts back and Biden cancelled them again but as always here is the kicker and bullshit cause people never get down in the weeds to read what is really going on. Thing is plenty of states still use private prisons.

"When it comes to private prisons, the impact of this order is going to be slight to none," said John Pfaff, a professor of law at the Fordham University School of Law. "This is not about shrinking the footprint of the federal prison system, it’s just about transferring people to public facilities. Biden is telling an executive agency under his control what kind of contracts they can enter, that’s a core executive function of Biden’s."

Still states can still choose "who to write contracts with," Pfaff said. "In practice, this will end up being more symbolic and will have little impact on any issue of racial justice and the system. The symbolism carries the very real risk of making us blind to the nearly identical incentives of the public prison sector, and the public side is so much vaster in scope."

Biden’s order terminates federal private prison contracts. Experts say it’s a start.

President Joe Biden vowed to ultimately put an end to private prisons, but activists says the move isn't enough to fully address mass incarcerations.

www.nbcnews.com

Yeah but I don't think it's a matter of people not getting in to the weeds, it's understanding that there is a limit to what he can do. The federal prison system is separate from state prisons so he can't wave a pen and have them shut down the state contracts.

He's killing the DOJ's use of private prisons, the DOJ being a federal institution. What the states do is still up to the states.

Biden is telling an executive agency under his control what kind of contracts they can enter, that’s a core executive function of Biden’s.

 

[TheNightKing]

Yeah but I don't think it's a matter of people not getting in to the weeds, it's understanding that there is a limit to what he can do. The federal prison system is separate from state prisons so he can't wave a pen and have them shut down the state contracts.

He's killing the DOJ's use of private prisons, the DOJ being a federal institution. What the states do is still up to the states.

President’s deserve plenty of blame for things, but a lot of blame is for things completely out of their hands. It’s easier to blame a politician than to blame the intricacies of laws or economics.

 

[DMorgan]

Yeah but I don't think it's a matter of people not getting in to the weeds, it's understanding that there is a limit to what he can do. The federal prison system is separate from state prisons so he can't wave a pen and have them shut down the state contracts.

He's killing the DOJ's use of private prisons, the DOJ being a federal institution. What the states do is still up to the states.

I understand he can't do anything about the states. That had absolutely nothing to do with my comment about state usage. My comment about the state was just saying that even with the feds not using private prisons it doesn't change much about the usage of private prisons because its more states that use them than the feds.

That Biden is telling them what contracts they can enter means to me that the feds haven't 100% stopped using private prisons. IMO he's picking and choosing which one the feds can use through his executive authority.

Also what I meant by down in the weeds was that many people media included stopped speaking so actively about private prisons because the feds for the most part stopped using them yet they're not paying attention to what states are doing. When individual states have way more people locked up than the feds do. So its really about people acting like something was a victory because of what the feds but the fight isn't even close to being over let alone won.

 

[Swabbie]

I understand he can't do anything about the states. That had absolutely nothing to do with my comment about state usage. My comment about the state was just saying that even with the feds not using private prisons it doesn't change much about the usage of private prisons because its more states that use them than the feds.

I hear you but the context just led in one direction so that's the way I went. Like, we were discussing private prisons and politicians re:Biden so I spoke on it relative to his actions.

That Biden is telling them what contracts they can enter means to me that the feds haven't 100% stopped using private prisons. IMO he's picking and choosing which one the feds can use through his executive authority.

I mean, that's a bit of a leap given the EO explicitly states the DOJ is to not renew any contracts whatsoever with private prison companies and I haven't hear anything about *new* contracts being inked up.

Also what I meant by down in the weeds was that many people media included stopped speaking so actively about private prisons because the feds for the most part stopped using them yet they're not paying attention to what states are doing. When individual states have way more people locked up than the feds do. So its really about people acting like something was a victory because of what the feds but the fight isn't even close to being over let alone won.

I feel you. I think it's cool to celebrate incremental wins, though. You never going to get everything you want in one go of it so chipping off a bit here and there is admirable enough. I'm not gonna praise him for solving the problem outright but I appreciate the step at least. I still have issues with some of the other detention facilities that the federal government operates or outsources to private companies that aren't covered under this EO like those ones at the border. And just like you said, there's still the private prisons the states use.

On top of that, there's the bigger elephant in the room which is the bullshit mass incarceration we have. It's cool we working on bettering the situation for those incarcerated but there's a ton of them that shouldn't be there in the first damn place.

 

[DMorgan]

I hear you but the context just led in one direction so that's the way I went. Like, we were discussing private prisons and politicians re:Biden so I spoke on it relative to his actions.



I mean, that's a bit of a leap given the EO explicitly states the DOJ is to not renew any contracts whatsoever with private prison companies and I haven't hear anything about *new* contracts being inked up.



I feel you. I think it's cool to celebrate incremental wins, though. You never going to get everything you want in one go of it so chipping off a bit here and there is admirable enough. I'm not gonna praise him for solving the problem outright but I appreciate the step at least. I still have issues with some of the other detention facilities that the federal government operates or outsources to private companies that aren't covered under this EO like those ones at the border. And just like you said, there's still the private prisons the states use.

On top of that, there's the bigger elephant in the room which is the bullshit mass incarceration we have. It's cool we working on bettering the situation for those incarcerated but there's a ton of them that shouldn't be there in the first damn place.

The order can state that but in the article it says he tells them which contracts that can or cannot enter. I'm not saying anything has been renewed but when are the contracts that already in place over? That is when he may pick and choose what company to renew something with if he is in office when they end.

Too many people get sidetracked by celebrations. That is part of reason shit doesn't change much because far too many people with small victories getting overblown lose focus and then shit never gets the momentum back that it had before. I'm not against acknowledging a positive happening in something that people are fighting for but it's just not the best for movements as whole IMO.

There is no way to stop mass incarceration without stopping having for profit prisons. I mean the feds and states when they sign the contracts with these private prison companies have clauses that prisons be operating at a minimum of 95% capacity and if its not state and the feds pay the company money as if is at that level. Shit is crazy. Basically states and the feds are incentivized to lock people for any and every little thing cause they if they going to have pay the company might as well have the bodies there instead paying for nothing.

 

[Swabbie]

The order can state that but in the article it says he tells them which contracts that can or cannot enter. I'm not saying anything has been renewed but when are the contracts that already in place over? That is when he may pick and choose what company to renew something with if he is in office when they end.

No it's not, it's pretty explicit in saying the DOJ is not to renew any contracts (Source). There is no stipulation for Presidential oversight. You might've misunderstood the statement in the NBC article that says "Biden is telling an executive agency under his control what kind of contracts they can enter". That's not to say Biden is telling them what contracts to renew, it's saying Biden is expressing his executive control over an agency under his purview in saying they cannot renew certain contracts. That is, essentially, telling them what kind of contracts they can enter.

For real though, mass incarceration is rooted in racism. There wasn't some uptick in crime, they just started to criminalize every damn thing we did. Got weed up there with crack and just all the really foul shit when it comes punishments but let a white boy get caught with some coke. Black dude get caught with some marijuana and they make it out like this mfer was the damn antichrist. They just saw "Black people/hippies smoke weed" and rallied the country against it like it was the biggest evil ever.

 

[DMorgan]

No it's not, it's pretty explicit in saying the DOJ is not to renew any contracts (Source). There is no stipulation for Presidential oversight. You might've misunderstood the statement in the NBC article that says "Biden is telling an executive agency under his control what kind of contracts they can enter". That's not to say Biden is telling them what contracts to renew, it's saying Biden is expressing his executive control over an agency under his purview in saying they cannot renew certain contracts. That is, essentially, telling them what kind of contracts they can enter.

For real though, mass incarceration is rooted in racism. There wasn't some uptick in crime, they just started to criminalize every damn thing we did. Got weed up there with crack and just all the really foul shit when it comes punishments but let a white boy get caught with some coke. Black dude get caught with some marijuana and they make it out like this mfer was the damn antichrist.

We can agree to disagree on the contract issue.

 

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