The official COVID-19/Coronavirus Discussion Thread...aka I hope I don't get the Rona

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This article states:

Nat immunity + vax>>>Nat immunity>>>fully vax no prior infection

10/1/21

University of Minnesota research backs vaccines after COVID-19 cases

A memory B cell specific to COVID-19 was found in greater quantities in people with prior coronavirus infections who were vaccinated.

m.startribune.com

Couple things:
1) I wonder if the studies that say vax>>Nat immunity are only accounting for antibodies (the t cells/b cells are more important in determining durability than just antibodies)
2) is the way we beat this pandemic is everyone being vaxxed AND catching Covid? (obviously it's better to catch Covid AFTER getting vaxxed)

The science says natural immunity protects u from multiple variants while vaccinations only protect u from the variants it was built for

 

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This my first time actually listening to what they had to say.

This is only controversial from "shut up n do what they say" crowd. These dudes literally just thinking for themselves.

Also w Bradley Beal....dude in press said "vax reduces your chance of death/hospitalization"

The same exact thing is true for naturally immune.

This isn't a story it's common sense.

 

[Swabbie]

This article states:

Nat immunity + vax>>>Nat immunity>>>fully vax no prior infection

Do me a favor bro, point out where you got "Nat immunity>>>fully vax no prior infection" from in that article.

 

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Do me a favor bro, point out where you got "Nat immunity>>>fully vax no prior infection" from in that article.

I literally screen shotted it

 

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Also:


Natural immunity u only "MIGHT" need one shot. Someone with no prior infection needs two off top, three if you're in Israel. Meaning the shot wears off, the t cells/b cells from natural immunity do not.

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My nigga that does not equate to natural immunity >>> vaccine. What you screenshotted said that people with prior infection who got the vaccine produced more than those who just got the vaccine. That does not mean natural immunity >>> vaccine. That means prior infection + vaccine >> vaccine.

Natural immunity also "wears off" so to speak.

COVID-19: Disease-induced (natural) immunity, vaccination or hybrid immunity?

If you’ve had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

www.nebraskamed.com

 

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My nigga that does not equate to natural immunity >>> vaccine.

Natural immunity also "wears off" so to speak.

COVID-19: Disease-induced (natural) immunity, vaccination or hybrid immunity?

If you’ve had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

www.nebraskamed.com

Is this the only study u read? Bc the majority say otherwise....with much larger sample size than 70 people

 

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Also....if fully vaxxed gives u a certain amount of antibodies thru B cells..

...and prior infection with vaccine gives u 5x as much...

Do I need to really break down the math to u?

 

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Is this the only study u read? Bc the majority say otherwise....with much larger sample size than 70 people

Moving the goalposts, I see. Aiight playa, I see you.

 

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Moving the goalposts, I see. Aiight playa, I see you.

If I can post studies (like u just did) that contradict yours then what?

 

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Also....if fully vaxxed gives u a certain amount of antibodies thru B cells..

...and prior infection with vaccine gives u 5x as much...

Do I need to really break down the math to u?

That's not how this shit works...

 

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That's not how this shit works...

Yes actually it is. Feel free to explain tho

 

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Yes actually it is. Feel free to explain tho

Predictors of Nonseroconversion after SARS-CoV-2 Infection

Nonseroconversion after SARS-CoV-2 Infection

wwwnc.cdc.gov

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.

www.cdc.gov

Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines in Preventing...

This report describes COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness in adults aged 65 years and older.

www.cdc.gov

Study after study has shown that vaccination provides greater protection from reinfection and serious illness than being unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are twice as likely to come down with COVID again.

 

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Predictors of Nonseroconversion after SARS-CoV-2 Infection

Nonseroconversion after SARS-CoV-2 Infection

wwwnc.cdc.gov

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.

www.cdc.gov

Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines in Preventing...

This report describes COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness in adults aged 65 years and older.

www.cdc.gov

Study after study has shown that vaccination provides greater protection from reinfection and serious illness than being unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are twice as likely to come down with COVID again.

So do u take into account studies that say otherwise?

 

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So do u take into account studies that say otherwise?

Fr though, I don't really care to convince you otherwise.

Back to the original point, the article you posted said nothing of a comparison between natural immunity and vaccinated.

 

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Fr though, I don't really care to convince you otherwise.

Graceful bow out

Back to the original point, the article you posted said nothing of a comparison between natural immunity and vaccinated.

Then why do ppl with prior infection have 5x the B cells than those who only got shots?

 

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Graceful bow out

Not really a bow out, that was never my intention.

Then why do ppl with prior infection have 5x the B cells than those who only got shots?

Correction, those who get the vaccine and have been previously infected produce 5x as many primary MBCs as those who haven't been previously infected and have gotten the vaccine.

The primary MBCs produced by having been infected are more efficient those those that are vaccine-induced so, when coupled with their first shot, they produce a vastly more robust secondary response than those in the non-infected but vaccinated population.

 

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Not really a bow out, that was never my intention.




Correction, those who get the vaccine and have been previously infected produce 5x as many primary MBCs as those who haven't been previously infected and have gotten the vaccine.

The primary MBCs produced by having been infected are more efficient those those that are vaccine-induced so, when coupled with their first shot, they produce a vastly more robust secondary response than those in the non-infected but vaccinated population.

Do u realize the difference between those with 5x the b cells are natural infection? Why do u think that is?

 

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Do u realize the difference between those with 5x the b cells are natural infection? Why do u think that is?

I just laid out the difference in the MBCs between the prior infected (but vaccinated) and the covid-naive (also vaccinated).

High-affinity memory B cells induced by SARS-CoV-2 infection produce more plasmablasts and atypical memory B cells than those primed by mRNA vaccines

Although both infections and vaccines induce memory B cell (MBC) populations that participate in secondary immune responses, the MBCs generated in eac…

www.sciencedirect.com

That's the paper that your article is referring to. Everyone in this study has received at least one shot. The conclusion is that those who have been infected prior react greater to the vaccine, and have a greater induced protection from COVID, than those who haven't been infected.

 

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I just laid out the difference in the MBCs between the prior infected (but vaccinated) and the covid-naive (also vaccinated).

High-affinity memory B cells induced by SARS-CoV-2 infection produce more plasmablasts and atypical memory B cells than those primed by mRNA vaccines

Although both infections and vaccines induce memory B cell (MBC) populations that participate in secondary immune responses, the MBCs generated in eac…

www.sciencedirect.com

That's the paper that your article is referring to. Everyone in this study has received at least one shot. The conclusion is that those who have been infected prior react greater to the vaccine, and have a greater induced protection from COVID, than those who haven't been infected.

Idk if u realize....you're proving my point.