The official COVID-19/Coronavirus Discussion Thread...aka I hope I don't get the Rona
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Playmaker88
G Money is Cash
Only thing i disagree with is the connotations of calling it a "talking point"when was this not the case? Like why people keep saying this like it's a hard bar?Like duh niggas.
The most important thing is that vaccinated people stop wilding out thinking everything is blessed because they're vaccinated running around outside like it's nothing. Not wearing masks or social distancing.
My sister always outside, running the town, at amusement parks shit and sure enough my nephew got sick the other day. Luckily not covid but I walk into my moms house and she holding this kid in her lap rocking him like "he woke up sick" I'm like "put his lil black ass down in bed, before you get sick and I gotta kill somebody."
You already know she ain't listen to me. Now she sick too. Smmfh. Luckily she vaccinated and it's just a regular cold that passed but prime example of the bullshit people been on since they get vaccinated. They think it's just back to normal out here.
It's alot of vaccinated people putting others at risk cause they moving with nfg not realizing they're also spreading the virus to the unvaccinated and that's getting heavily ignored.
There will always be more unvaccinated dying in hospitals than the vaccinated for ANY VIRUS. It's a ridiculous talking point.
TheNightKing
J.A.P.A.N.
We supposed to protect y'all when you don't even want to protect yourself? I'll do it because I want to protect kids and because I'm a compassionate person in general but I don't expect everyone to be like me.
I've used this analogy before but it still applies. There's a string of break ins in the neighborhood so the government gives everybody a gun, but you don't want it, so you expect people who did take the gun to come over and protect your family. That's just crazy to me.
I've used this analogy before but it still applies. There's a string of break ins in the neighborhood so the government gives everybody a gun, but you don't want it, so you expect people who did take the gun to come over and protect your family. That's just crazy to me.
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King Freeman
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I'm vaxxed. I don't feel it any less necessary to wear a mask or even be outside if I don't have to be.
But what's crazy to me is the "we supposed to protect yall?" It's a disturbing attitude alot of vaxxed people have.
Some of you legit developed a superiority complex.
I weighed my personal options and reluctantly got the vaccine because even tho I'm in the house and practice good safety measures my immune system is weak and I have pre existing conditions I can't ignore currently. Also the way the vaccine is being administered here in Ontario has improved greatly. When it first rolled out they were giving the doses 3-4 months apart. Now its 2-3 weeks which is the correct efficacy its supposed to be given so it made sense for me personally.
I got the information, weighed my options personally and made a decision. That should always be respected. Not everyone taking a wait and see approach is anti vax or has taken a side. Everyone's motivation to take the vaccine is not the same.
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DMorgan
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TheNightKing
J.A.P.A.N.
We agree on every point you made but I'm not mad at any vaxxed person that has the attitude of "we supposed to protect y'all?" I don't have that attitude, but I understand it. I'm a personal responsibility person. If someone chooses not to get vaxxed, don't then turn and get mad at vaccinated people for going about their lives normally.
Playmaker88
G Money is Cash
How weird is that, that i found out my uncle a local activist has Covid through the news break app and I received it as a notification. He wasn't keen on the vaccine.... things have changed has been hospitalized I think he still is..hopefully he maintains .
Same message from director of Oxford Vaccine GroupIsrael now doing it for 50+... interesting read below, I extracted some snippets but full link article is at the bottom
A grim warning from Israel: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta
“Now is a critical time,” Israeli Minister of Health Nitzan Horowitz said as the 56-year-old got a COVID-19 booster shot on 13 August, the day his country became the first nation to offer a third dose of vaccine to people as young as age 50. “We’re in a race against the pandemic.”
His message was meant for his fellow Israelis, but it is a warning to the world. Israel has among the world’s highest levels of vaccination for COVID-19, with 78% of those 12 and older fully vaccinated, the vast majority with the Pfizer vaccine. Yet the country is now logging one of the world’s highest infection rates, with nearly 650 new cases daily per million people. More than half are in fully vaccinated people, underscoring the extraordinary transmissibility of the Delta variant and stoking concerns that the benefits of vaccination ebb over time.
The sheer number of vaccinated Israelis means some breakthrough infections were inevitable, and the unvaccinated are still far more likely to end up in the hospital or die. But Israel’s experience is forcing the booster issue onto the radar for other nations, suggesting as it does that even the best vaccinated countries will face a Delta surge.
“This is a very clear warning sign for the rest of world,” says Ran Balicer, chief innovation officer at Clalit Health Services (CHS), Israel’s largest health maintenance organization (HMO). “If it can happen here, it can probably happen everywhere.”
Israel is being closely watched now because it was one of the first countries out of the gate with vaccinations in December 2020 and quickly achieved a degree of population coverage that was the envy of other nations— for a time. The nation of 9.3 million also has a robust public health infrastructure and a population wholly enrolled in HMOs that track them closely, allowing it to produce high-quality, real-world data on how well vaccines are working.
“I watch [Israeli data] very, very closely because it is some of the absolutely best data coming out anywhere in the world,” says David O’Connor, a viral sequencing expert at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. “Israel is the model,” agrees Eric Topol, a physician-scientist at Scripps Research. “It’s pure mRNA [messenger RNA] vaccines. It’s out there early. It’s got a very high level population [uptake]. It’s a working experimental lab for us to learn from.”
What is clear is that “breakthrough” cases are not the rare events the term implies. As of 15 August, 514 Israelis were hospitalized with severe or critical COVID-19, a 31% increase from just 4 days earlier. Of the 514, 59% were fully vaccinated. Of the vaccinated, 87% were 60 or older. “There are so many breakthrough infections that they dominate and most of the hospitalized patients are actually vaccinated,” says Uri Shalit, a bioinformatician at the Israel Institute of Technology (Technion) who has consulted on COVID-19 for the government. “One of the big stories from Israel [is]: ‘Vaccines work, but not well enough.’”
Yet boosters are unlikely to tame a Delta surge on their own, says Dvir Aran, a biomedical data scientist at Technion. In Israel, the current surge is so steep that “even if you get two-thirds of those 60-plus [boosted], it’s just gonna give us another week, maybe 2 weeks until our hospitals are flooded.” He says it’s also critical to vaccinate those who still haven’t received their first or second doses, and to return to the masking and social distancing Israel thought it had left behind—but has begun to reinstate.
Aran’s message for the United States and other wealthier nations considering boosters is stark: “Do not think that the boosters are the solution.”
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Basically....
Stop worrying about trying to vax the whole nation, most adults particularly the vulnerable ones of society have been vaxxed
That stop worrying should extend to those under 18 healthy kids without any underlying conditions or cormobidities.
Do however push that pro vax effort to other parts of the globe, particularly where there in desparate need for the vaccine to mitigate so many unnecessarily lost lives especially and presumably poorer nations
Sounds about right
The politicizing of a global pandemic is going to have America looking so stupid when this history is written
DMorgan
You niggas is EXCOMMUNICADO!!!
The goal is never to save the poor. Wealthy nations and wealthy people look at poor nations and people as banes of society.
B_A
I was here
Idk, from looking at the numbers yesterday, might be safer in countries where the vaccine isn't being pushed. They have very low cases numbers.
In a sick world, it's the weak you need, you get rid of the strong, or rather, get them gone faster. Easy to control the weak, the wealthy not so much.
DMorgan
You niggas is EXCOMMUNICADO!!!
I saw that post you made with the numbers on notebook paper. Very interesting. Wondered were the numbers low because a lack of testing or people are really doing ok over there.
Thing with who to get rid of and who is easier to control. The wealthy have all the resources and call the shots. So they aren't going to get rid of their so called "own people" first.
I get what you're saying but more folks need to open their eyes and minds to change certain things.
B_A
I was here
The wealthy public does not control the upper wealthy who call the shots. All of us are the same in their eyes, beneath them.
Did you see Singapore? Very strange numbers there but I kept it because it could be a singal to improper data recording. Maybe it is lack of testing like you said or just not actually tracking shit or maybe it is the vaccine spreading shit. I work with numbers, that wasn't enough numbers but a clue to dig deeper. If I had all the time in the world I would get on my anal retention shit and crunch the numbers for all the countries but it's not a huge priority rn for me. It's interesting enough for me I'll keep an eye on it tho. If there's lies, they'll stand out in the raw numbers and won't jive with the conflated numbers.
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King Freeman
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JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE VAXXED DOES NOT MEAN THINGS ARE BACK TO NORMAL.
TheNightKing
J.A.P.A.N.
If all I was concerned about was me things would be back to normal for me. And all the e-yelling in the world you do couldn't change that.
If any un-vaxxed person is concerned about a vaxxed person's behavior impacting their health, there's an option available to protect themselves. Kids and those with medical and religious reasons for not taking it being the exceptions of course.