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Bruh I've seen people explain that your understandin' of socialism doesn't seem to be right a few times now.

No insults, no disrespect but bro please research democratic socialism and see how its different from the big bad 1950s style communism/socialism you are so weary of.
I'm a Bernie fan not against democratic socialism

If that's what ppl are referring to when bashing the head off capitalism then cool I'm wrong

But it comes across more as they wanna burn the whole shit to the ground
 
Econony is in the toilet

Stock markets have erased all gains

Racist and calling it a "chinese virus"

Handling of this pandemic

Unemployment is about to hit record highs

The antics and lack of seriousness got NY shut down, wanting to open the country up.


He's done, New York being shut down is the biggest L. You gotta realize that not only is it Trump's hometown but NY is the mecca and the most powerful city in the world and he lost it. The top ranking Republicans are thinking long term, they will vote Biden to ensure their positions. At least Biden they can work with, but Trump is the Joffrey Lannister of America.

Yo @Sion

Why you keep focusing on tangibles and facts bruh? None of that shit matters when the general public is seeing all that shit and his approval rate is getting higher than its ever been.
 
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I'm a Bernie fan not against democratic socialism

If that's what ppl are referring to when bashing the head off capitalism then cool I'm wrong

But it comes across more as they wanna burn the whole shit to the ground

Bro this is what I mean, no one and I mean no one has said to stop capitalism in its entirety. People can sell their overpriced crap as dictated by the free market that's cool, but key industries and natural monopolies should be regulated and the minimum wages should allow for a worker to live and work in the same city
 
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People can sell their overpriced crap as dictated by the free market that's cool, but key industries and natural monopolies should be regulated and the minimum wage's should allow for a worker to live and work in the same city
Agreed on alla that, good post

Now I gotta calm my concerns and paranoia of this growing sympathy of Chinese government
 
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China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says



Nick Wadhams and Jennifer Jacobs
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Airport employees wear full body protective suits at Pudong International Airport in Shanghai on March 28. Photographer: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg




(Bloomberg) -- China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.

The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.

The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.

Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.

While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.

Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.

Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators

“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”

Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.

“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”

China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.

U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.

“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.

“I would urge every nation: Do your best to collect the data. Do your best to share that information,” he said. “We’re doing that.”

(Updates with Pence’s comment in sixth paragraph)

©2020 Bloomberg L.P.
 
uhh........yea you can. As for the rooms comment...they plan on splashing bleach on everything in an entire room? You just wipes down the surfaces you touch and wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water.
uhh......... lysol??

I found something tho
 

China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says



Nick Wadhams and Jennifer Jacobs
1400x-1.jpg

Airport employees wear full body protective suits at Pudong International Airport in Shanghai on March 28. Photographer: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg




(Bloomberg) -- China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.

The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.

The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.

Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.

While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.

Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.

Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators

“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”

Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.

“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”

China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.

U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.

“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.

“I would urge every nation: Do your best to collect the data. Do your best to share that information,” he said. “We’re doing that.”

(Updates with Pence’s comment in sixth paragraph)

©2020 Bloomberg L.P.

Mass outbreak in November/December. Didn't hear about it until January.
 
Econony is in the toilet

Stock markets have erased all gains

Racist and calling it a "chinese virus"

Handling of this pandemic

Unemployment is about to hit record highs

The antics and lack of seriousness got NY shut down, wanting to open the country up.


He's done, New York being shut down is the biggest L. You gotta realize that not only is it Trump's hometown but NY is the mecca and the most powerful city in the world and he lost it. The top ranking Republicans are thinking long term, they will vote Biden to ensure their positions. At least Biden they can work with, but Trump is the Joffrey Lannister of America.

I hope ur right, but time will tell
 
Soooo, China meat market bars back at it again.



They never stopped

Bat meat, pangolins and other "exotic" meats are still for sale and consumption. I saw a docu where they were explaining how a lot of that shit is ran by organized crime rings.

Which to me means there's a lotta powerful ppl connected to it and so the government ain't as effective as it could be at stopping the shit