FEATURED Target Plans To Lay Off 1800 Employees

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The Lonious Monk said:
Educate me O Enlightened One.

What's the grand goal with the Target boycott?
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I've spoken on this a few times

The goal is to hit white people where it hurts... Their bottom line. The reason I think nothing significant came of the George Floyd protests is that we as a collective were too emotionally engaged. We spread ourselves too thin trying to boycott everyone at once.

This more targeted (no pun) approach saw immediate impact. We have to do these boycotts one store at a time.

But I don't feel like I really answered your question. So Target was one of the first to publicly announce all these initiatives for black entrepreneurs immediately following BLM and George Floyd. Then all of a sudden, they latched onto Trump's anti dei policies for no reason or rather none that was made available to the public. They are a private run entity and seemingly did this under their own free will which was a huge contradiction against all the good will they had established among black shoppers.

When you compare them to Costco, Costco (and I'm sure they have their own self interests) was like nah, we not doing that which caused a surge of new memberships. Think about that, people would rather pay a membership to shop at a place over one you can just walk in off the street. Costco doubled down on their dei shit and target has been reeling ever since
 
And those black companies took their products from target and opened up their own shops and went straight to consumer. Not all of them but a few prominent ones
 
AP3.0 said:
I've spoken on this a few times

The goal is to hit white people where it hurts... Their bottom line. The reason I think nothing significant came of the George Floyd protests is that we as a collective were too emotionally engaged. We spread ourselves too thin trying to boycott everyone at once.

This more targeted (no pun) approach saw immediate impact. We have to do these boycotts one store at a time.

But I don't feel like I really answered your question. So Target was one of the first to publicly announce all these initiatives for black entrepreneurs immediately following BLM and George Floyd. Then all of a sudden, they latched onto Trump's anti dei policies for no reason or rather none that was made available to the public. They are a private run entity and seemingly did this under their own free will which was a huge contradiction against all the good will they had established among black shoppers.

When you compare them to Costco, Costco (and I'm sure they have their own self interests) was like nah, we not doing that which caused a surge of new memberships. Think about that, people would rather pay a membership to shop at a place over one you can just walk in off the street. Costco doubled down on their dei shit and target has been reeling ever since
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Ok, I respect your answer.

Here's my problem with it. You make it seem like Target just buddied up with Trump because they liked the anti-DEI shit. The reality is that we have a lunatic as president. Yes, Target is a private corporation, but that doesn't mean the government can't get at them. All these corporations get Federal tax perks and have contracts with various government agencies. Why risk that just to keep the term DEI in circulation? Target scrubbed anything referring to DEI from its corporate policies. Ok. Does anyone know if they actually stopped implementing those policies though? That's a serious question. As I've said before, my company got rid of their DEI setup too. They are still doing all that shit. They're just call it something else. If you got Trump out here running scrubbers for the sole purpose of clapping anything that refers to DEI, isn't it the smart thing to continue the practices but abandon the term.

Ultimately, DEI practices are put into place to help Black (and other) employees of a particular company. If Target crashes and burns because of the boycott, how does that help the Black employees.

All that said, I'm not against the boycott. If ya'll feel it's worthwhile, go for it. Part of the reason that I haven't paid much attention to the boycott is that I don't really shop at Target anyway.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Ok, I respect your answer.

Here's my problem with it. You make it seem like Target just buddied up with Trump because they liked the anti-DEI shit. The reality is that we have a lunatic as president. Yes, Target is a private corporation, but that doesn't mean the government can't get at them. All these corporations get Federal tax perks and have contracts with various government agencies. Why risk that just to keep the term DEI in circulation? Target scrubbed anything referring to DEI from its corporate policies. Ok. Does anyone know if they actually stopped implementing those policies though? That's a serious question. As I've said before, my company got rid of their DEI setup too. They are still doing all that shit. They're just call it something else. If you got Trump out here running scrubbers for the sole purpose of clapping anything that refers to DEI, isn't it the smart thing to continue the practices but abandon the term.

Ultimately, DEI practices are put into place to help Black (and other) employees of a particular company. If Target crashes and burns because of the boycott, how does that help the Black employees.

All that said, I'm not against the boycott. If ya'll feel it's worthwhile, go for it. Part of the reason that I haven't paid much attention to the boycott is that I don't really shop at Target anyway.
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lol ok so what if target got rid of the DEI stuff and didn’t replace it like your company did? Until some Target exes come out and say something we have to go with what they made public. Anti DEI is pro racism and black people don’t want to support open racism if we don’t have too.

Target could’ve easily not changed anything and probably been just fine.
 
SeaSnake said:
lol ok so what if target got rid of the DEI stuff and didn’t replace it like your company did? Until some Target exes come out and say something we have to go with what they made public. Anti DEI is pro racism and black people don’t want to support open racism if we don’t have too.

Target could’ve easily not changed anything and probably been just fine.
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I don't know that the bold is true and neither do you. There are entities that refused to change anything, and many of them aren't fine.

And Target couldn't exactly have put out a public statement saying "Hey, we're not doing DEI anymore but...we're still doing DEI." That would have defeated the purpose of the move right? Again, I'm not saying Black people are wrong to boycott Target. At the end of the day, I believe Target made a choice. They had to choose between Black people being mad at them and Trump being mad at them. I can't say if they made the right choice or not. I think if they believed the did choose wrong, they would have reversed course by now.
 
AP3.0 said:
Costco did and is thriving
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Agreed. That's one example though.

I don't know. Like I said, Target had to choose between angering Trump and angering black people. I don't know what the right choice is there. They might have been fucked either way depending on how their business is set up. They've been boycotted like 3 times in the past couple of years. I think they were probably more willing to deal with that again than having a corrupt president trying to use the Federal government to hurt them.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Agreed. That's one example though.

I don't know. Like I said, Target had to choose between angering Trump and angering black people. I don't know what the right choice is there. They might have been fucked either way depending on how their business is set up. They've been boycotted like 3 times in the past couple of years. I think they were probably more willing to deal with that again than having a corrupt president trying to use the Federal government to hurt them.
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Costco can’t afford the federal government hurting them either, but so far they are standing on principle anyway.
 
I’m clueless to all of this…

Was there a prior to DEI? If so, what did that look like?

How about when it was implemented? Then removed?

What did/do those numbers look like?
 
JAG said:
Costco can’t afford the federal government hurting them either, but so far they are standing on principle anyway.
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Yeah, I don't know enough to say. They are a membership program and they serve a different function than Target. You could be right though.

My perspective is more to salute Costco for taking their stance than that to shit on other companies for trying to protect themselves. Now, if Target isn't just distancing itself from the DEI buzzword and is instead being racist behind the scenes, that's a different story.
 
VIBE said:
I’m clueless to all of this…

Was there a prior to DEI? If so, what did that look like?

How about when it was implemented? Then removed?

What did/do those numbers look like?
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DEI has been around since the 1960s. No one cared until it became a buzzword that the Right went after. It's just like CRT.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Yeah, I don't know enough to say. They are a membership program and they serve a different function than Target. You could be right though.

My perspective is more to salute Costco for taking their stance than that to shit on other companies for trying to protect themselves. Now, if Target isn't just distancing itself from the DEI buzzword and is instead being racist behind the scenes, that's a different story.
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That’s where I disagree.

We should shit on them when they refuse to stand up for something that is right.

Especially since this is a multi billion dollar company with resources and not some mom and pop.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
DEI has been around since the 1960s. No one cared until it became a buzzword that the Right went after. It's just like CRT.
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No one cared until it became real policy. It's in bad faith to act like DEI policies haven't been supercharged in the post-George Floyd era. In some instances, and I must emphasize *some*, it can go too far and be unfair. Like a black dude losing out on a promotion so a white woman can get promoted to meet gender quotas.

DEI is an example of a real thing that might not be implemented in the best ways at all times and that we could probably talk about that's being used as a bogeyman for bad faith actors.

DEI isn't just for us and this thread seems to make it seem like it is. The white women, the LGBTQIA2S+, the other minorities. Ever since intersectionality became in vogue, there's been a rush for representation in every group and it has led to instances where qualified people lost out to less qualified people simply because they didn't tick a box. The point of the efforts of the 20th century was to get qualified minority group peoples in to positions they deserved.

And don't @ me. This isn't coming from a place of ignorance.
 
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JAG said:
That’s where I disagree.

We should shit on them when they refuse to stand up for something that is right.

Especially since this is a multi billion dollar company with resources and not some mom and pop.
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I see where you're coming from. We just have a difference in perspective when it comes to corporations. I expect Target to sell products not to battles in the culture war. That said, when it's convenient all these companies try to prop themselves up as if they stand for justice when they believe it will be good for sales, so I ain't mad at people for holding them accountable.

Swabbie said:
No one cared until it became real policy. It's in bad faith to act like DEI policies haven't been supercharged in the post-George Floyd era. In some instances, and I must emphasize *some*, it can go too far and be unfair. Like a black dude losing out on a promotion so a white woman can get promoted to meet gender quotas.

DEI is an example of a real thing that might not be implemented in the best ways at all times and that we could probably talk about that's being used as a bogeyman for bad faith actors.

DEI isn't just for us and this thread seems to make it seem like it is. The white women, the LGBTQIA2S+, the other minorities. Ever since intersectionality became in vogue, there's been a rush for representation in every group and it has led to instances where qualified people lost out to less qualified people simply because they didn't tick a box. The point of the efforts of the 20th century was to get qualified minority group peoples in to positions they deserved.

And don't @ me. This isn't coming from a place of ignorance.
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I wouldn't say supercharged. I'd just say a lot of things that were in the background were moved back to the forefront and some companies who didn't have DEI policies might have adopted some. This idea that companies were shitting on highly qualified people just to bring in tokens is mostly a lie created by racists.
 
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