Revisiting the whole Pound cake speech. A long read. Lets end this.

[DOS_patos]

Ladies and gentlemen, I really have to ask you to seriously consider what you've heard, and now this is the end of the evening so to speak. I heard a prize fight manager say to his fellow who was losing badly, “David, listen to me. It's not what's he's doing to you. It's what you're not doing. (laughter).

Ladies and gentlemen, these people set, they opened the doors, they gave us the right, and today, ladies and gentlemen, in our cities and public schools we have fifty percent drop out. In our own neighborhood, we have men in prison. No longer is a person embarrassed because they're pregnant without a husband. (clapping) No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child (clapping)

.Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are [not*] holding their end in this deal. In the neighborhood that most of us grew up in, parenting is not going on. (clapping) In the old days, you couldn't hooky school because every drawn shade was an eye (laughing). And before your mother got off the bus and to the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house, and where you got on whatever you had one and where you got it from. Parents don't know that today.

I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? (clapping) Where were you when he was twelve? (clapping) Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol? (clapping) And where is his father, and why don't you know where he is? And why doesn't the father show up to talk to this boy?

The church is only open on Sunday. And you can't keep asking Jesus to ask doing things for you (clapping). You can't keep asking that God will find a way. God is tired of you (clapping and laughing). God was there when they won all those cases. 50 in a row. That's where God was because these people were doing something. And God said, “I'm going to find a way.” I wasn't there when God said it... I'm making this up (laughter). But it sounds like what God would do (laughter).

We cannot blame white people. White people (clapping) .. white people don't live over there. They close up the shop early. The Korean ones still don't know us as well...they stay open 24 hours (laughter).

I'm looking and I see a man named Kenneth Clark. He and his wife Mamie...Kenneth's still alive. I have to apologize to him for these people because Kenneth said it straight. He said you have to strengthen yourselves...and we've got to have that black doll. And everybody said it. Julian Bond said it. Dick Gregory said it. All these lawyers said it. And you wouldn't know that anybody had done a damned thing.

50 percent drop out rate, I'm telling you, and people in jail, and women having children by five, six different men. Under what excuse, I want somebody to love me, and as soon as you have it, you forget to parent. Grandmother, mother, and great grandmother in the same room, raising children, and the child knows nothing about love or respect of any one of the three of them (clapping). All this child knows is “gimme, gimme, gimme.” These people want to buy the friendship of a child....and the child couldn't care less. Those of us sitting out here who have gone on to some college or whatever we've done, we still fear our parents (clapping and laughter). And these people are not parenting. They're buying things for the kid. $500 sneakers, for what? They won't buy or spend $250 on Hooked on Phonics. (clapping)

 

[DOS_patos]

A\Kenneth Clark, somewhere in his home in upstate New York...just looking ahead. Thank God, he doesn't know what's going on, thank God. But these people, the ones up here in the balcony fought so hard. Looking at the incarcerated, these are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake! Then we all run out and are outraged, “The cops shouldn't have shot him” What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand? (laughter and clapping). I wanted a piece of pound cake just as bad as anybody else (laughter) And I looked at it and I had no money. And something called parenting said if get caught with it you're going to embarrass your mother. Not you're going to get your butt kicked. No. You're going to embarrass your mother. You're going to embarrass your family.

If knock that girl up, you're going to have to run away because it's going to be too embarrassing for your family. In the old days, a girl getting pregnant had to go down South, and then her mother would go down to get her. But the mother had the baby. I said the mother had the baby. The girl didn't have a baby. The mother had the baby in two weeks. (laughter) We are not parenting. Ladies and gentlemen, listen to these people, they are showing you what's wrong. People putting their clothes on backwards. –isn't that a sign of something going on wrong? (laughter)

Are you not paying attention, people with their hat on backwards, pants down around the crack. Isn't that a sign of something, or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up (laughter and clapping ). Isn't it a sign of something when she's got her dress all the way up to the crack...and got all kinds of needles and things going through her body. What part of Africa did this come from? (laughter). We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans, they don't know a damned thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaligua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail. (When we give these kinds names to our children, we give them the strength and inspiration in the meaning of those names. What's the point of giving them strong names if there is not parenting and values backing it up).

Brown Versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We've got to take the neighborhood back (clapping). We've got to go in there. Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It's right around the corner. (laughter) It's standing on the corner. It can't speak English. It doesn't want to speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk. “Why you ain't where you is go, ra,” I don't know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk (laughter). Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't land a plane with “why you ain't...” You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. There is no Bible that has that kind of language. Where did these people get the idea that they're moving ahead on this. Well, they know they're not, they're just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you're just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.



Now look, I'm telling you. It's not what they're doing to us. It's what we're not doing. 50 percent drop out. Look, we're raising our own ingrown immigrants. These people are fighting hard to be ignorant. There's no English being spoken, and they're walking and they're angry. Oh God, they're angry and they have pistols and they shoot and they do stupid things. And after they kill somebody, they don't have a plan. Just murder somebody. Boom. Over what? A pizza? And then run to the poor cousin's house. They sit there and the cousin says “what are you doing here?” “I just killed somebody, man.” “What?” “I just killed somebody, I've got to stay here.” “No, you don't.” “Well, give me some money, I'll go...” “Where are you going?” “North Carolina.” Everybody wanted to go to North Carolina. But the police know where you're going because your cousin has a record.

Five or six different children, same woman, eight, ten different husbands or whatever, pretty soon you're going to have to have DNA cards so you can tell who you're making love to. You don't who this is. It might be your grandmother. (laughter) I'm telling you, they're young enough. Hey, you have a baby when you're twelve. Your baby turns thirteen and has a baby, how old are you? Huh? Grandmother. By the time you're twelve, you could have sex with your grandmother, you keep those numbers coming. I'm just predicting.

I'm saying Brown Vs. Board of Education. We've got to hit the streets, ladies and gentlemen. I'm winding up, now , no more applause. I'm saying, look at the Black Muslims. There are Black Muslims standing on the street corners and they say so forth and so on, and we'rere laughing at them because they have bean pies and all that, but you don't read “Black Muslim gunned down while chastising drug dealer.” You don't read that. They don't shoot down Black Muslims. You understand me. Muslims tell you to get out of the neighborhood. When you want to clear your neighborhood out, first thing you do is go get the Black Muslims, bean pies and all (laughter). And your neighborhood is then clear. The police can't do it .

I'm telling you Christians, what's wrong with you? Why can't you hit the streets? Why can't you clean it out yourselves? It's our time now, ladies and gentlemen. It is our time (clapping). And I've got good news for you. It's not about money. It's about you doing something ordinarily that we do—get in somebody else's business. It's time for you to not accept the language that these people are speaking, which will take them nowhere. What the hell good is Brown V. Board of Education if nobody wants it?

What is it with young girls getting after some girl who wants to still remain a virgin. Who are these sick black people and where did they come from and why haven't they been parented to shut up? To go up to girls and try to get a club where “you are nobody..,” this is a sickness ladies and gentlemen and we are not paying attention to these children. These are children. They don't know anything. They don't have anything. They're homeless people. All they know how to do is beg. And you give it to them, trying to win their friendship. And what are they good for? And then they stand there in an orange suit and you drop to your knees, “(crying sound) He didn't do anything, he didn't do anything.” Yes, he did do it. And you need to have an orange suit on too (laughter, clapping).

So, ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for the award (big laughter) and giving me an opportunity to speak because, I mean, this is the future, and all of these people who lined up and done..they've got to be wondering what the hell happened. Brown V. Board of Education, these people who marched and were hit in the face with rocks and punched in the face to get an education and we got these knuckleheads walking around who don't want to learn English (clapping) I know that you all know it. I just want to get you as angry that you ought to be. When you walk around the neighborhood and you see this stuff, that stuff's not funny. These people are not funny anymore. And that 's not brother. And that's not my sister. They're faking and they're dragging me way down because the state, the city and all these people have to pick up the tab on them because they don't want to accept that they have to study to get an education.

We have to begin to build in the neighborhood, have restaurants, have cleaners, have pharmacies, have real estate, have medical buildings instead of trying to rob them all. And so, ladies and gentlemen, please, Dorothy Height, where ever she's sitting, she didn't do all that stuff so that she could hear somebody say “I can't stand algebra, I can't stand...and “what you is.” It's horrible.

Basketball players, multimillionaires can't write a paragraph. Football players, multimillionaires, can't read. Yes. Multimillionaires. Well, Brown V Board of Education, where are we today? It's there. They paved the way. What did we do with it. The white man, he's laughing, got to be laughing. 50 percent drop out, rest of them in prison.

You got to tell me that if there was parenting, help me, if there was parenting, he wouldn't have picked up the Coca Cola bottle and walked out with it to get shot in the back of the head. He wouldn't have. Not if he loved his parents. And not if they were parenting! Not if the father would come home. Not if the boy hadn't dropped the sperm cell inside of the girl and the girl had said, “No, you have to come back here and be the father of this child.” Not ..“I don't have to.”

Therefore, you have the pile up of these sweet beautiful things born by nature raised by no one. Give them presents. You're raising pimps. That's what a pimp is. A pimp will act nasty to you so you have to go out and get them something. And then you bring it back and maybe he or she hugs you. And that's why pimp is so famous. They've got a drink called the “Pimp-something.” You all wonder what that's about, don't you? Well, you're probably going to let Jesus figure it out for you (laughter). Well, I've got something to tell you about Jesus. When you go to the church, look at the stained glass things of Jesus. Look at them. Is Jesus smiling? Not in one picture. So, tell your friends. Let's try to do something. Let's try to make Jesus smile. Let's start parenting. Thank you, thank you (clapping, cheers)

 

[DOS_patos]

can some one......anyone point out the things he said in this....that would make a person laugh at this picture?

 

[DOS_patos]

lets not deal with the "rape" in this thread....this is only about the speech that seemed to have hit a nerve with some.

this aint about guilt or innocence....just the speech.

please dont comment if you are not going to read it.
i wont provide cliffs......try reading something thru for once in your life.

if you aint got time...come back later.

Please dont merge yet......let this cook for a bit.

I think we need to have a discussion about this and how we see ourselves in the past present and future.

 

[DMorgan]

I'll read and respond later. I'm listening to Dr. Ford testimony on Kavanaugh right now.

 

[DOS_patos]

im just gonna wait til those who talked shit about this speech come thru.......where is he saying all black people?
where is he talking down on black people?

highlight it for me.

is he not saying WE...and what WE need to do?
but is he also celebrating those that helped us out in the past that may be disappointed?

where did he talk shit about african names? he said the names are about strength...but people arent parenting to give them that strength behind their name.

Where you niggas at?

I got time.

and we are not from africa....we are american....this is our culture now. we are far removed from africa.
so is he lying?

please take your shots at me.
i got two guns in my avi for a reason......i will come firing back.

but please prove me wrong and i will leave it alone and never speak on it again.

where did yall get your information about this speech to be so angry?

while i respect people opinion....at least know what you are talking about before you wish and celebrate jail on someone who did so much for people that look like us.

foh

 

[5th Letter]

When suspects like Rush Limbaugh is co-signing your comments about black people then it’s a good chance that you’re saying the wrong thing.

 

[DOS_patos]

When suspects like Rush Limbaugh is co-signing your comments about black people then it’s a good chance that you’re saying the wrong thing.

did you read it?

 

[LUCIEN]

His view is flawed. He implores people to behave better but he is completely ignorant about how cyclical crime and addiction are. The people who are making bad decisions are not able to just hear a speech and fix their fucking lives. To even think of fixing your face to say that is moronic. We have a system that's supposed to provide the external help people in dire straits need to have that kind of agency he preaches, but it completely fails minorities. The views Pill Cosby advocated are based on deliberate neglect of these circumstances.

</ranting>

 

[5th Letter]

did you read it?

Yes and my point stands. When suspect white people are co-signing you about your opinion on black people then chances are you’re probably saying the wrong thing.

 

[DOS_patos]

His view is flawed. He implores people to behave better but he is completely ignorant about how cyclical crime and addiction are. The people who are making bad decisions are not able to just hear a speech and fix their fucking lives. To even think of fixing your face to say that is moronic. We have a system that's supposed to provide the external help people in dire straits need to have that kind of agency be preaches, but it completely fails minorities. The views Pill Cosby advocated are based on deliberate neglect of these circumstances.

</ranting>

nigga......we have to start somewhere.
so you saying him saying and putting his money behind his words is flawed?

how?

also....every motivational speaker says basically the same things toward us.
have we not spoke about parenting on this site?

so is our vision flawed too?

also....why arw we and you still waiting for someone to come fix shit for us?
i dont really care if its flawed.....and it doesnt do what its supposed to...but at what point are we gonna stop waiting and take the steps to better us?

i ask you...how many times do i have to het you with a bat on your way to work before you either change you route or you get a gun?
cause from what you saying....a nigga should just not hit you...eventually.

lets get it

 

[DOS_patos]

Yes and my point stands. When suspect white people are co-signing you about your opinion on black people then chances are you’re probably saying the wrong thing.

so just because white people agree...that makes the message not worth listening to?

so again we focusing on what white people think.

what do you think? so you wont do shit for yourself because white people watching?

are they that polarizing(couldnt wait to use this word) that they change how you listen and react?

how did white people become so important in your life?

are you not your own man?

dont do this bruh....

 

[LUCIEN]

nigga......we have to start somewhere.
so you saying him saying and putting his money behind his words is flawed?

how?

also....every motivational speaker says basically the same things toward us.
have we not spoke about parenting on this site?

so is our vision flawed too?

also....why arw we and you still waiting for someone to come fix shit for us?
i dont really care if its flawed.....and it doesnt do what its supposed to...but at what point are we gonna stop waiting and take the steps to better us?

i ask you...how many times do i have to het you with a bat on your way to work before you either change you route or you get a gun?
cause from what you saying....a nigga should just not hit you...eventually.

lets get it

No. I'm saying you need to get your fucking boots on the ground and hands in the dirt to fix shit. Lecturing people from some ivory tower of celebrity, playing a make believe doctor on TV while demanding people become pharmacists, does not actually change the circumstances for these people caught in the throes of adversity. Unless he's out here personally mentoring thugs then he's not doing anything that is actually gonna have an impact. Does he expect the people selling drugs or their bodies to suddenly stop? How are they to live? Is Pill Cosby paying their bills? Where is the fucking community on this?

He has a special place on the Mt. Rushmore of condescending Rich Black folks after that speech

 

[5th Letter]

so just because white people agree...that makes the message not worth listening to?

so again we focusing on what white people think.

what do you think? so you wont do shit for yourself because white people watching?

are they that polarizing(couldnt wait to use this word) that they change how you listen and react?

how did white people become so important in your life?

are you not your own man?

dont do this bruh....

Don’t twist words. I said suspect white people. As in white supremacists and racists. When those people are agreeing with you the same people that dont give a shit about you then yes you are saying the wrong thing or you have to at least reevaluate what you’re saying.

He gave a speech in front of white people and not once did he address systemic white supremacy and racism he even said it’s not white peoples fault which got a huge ovation from white people btw, as he ripped into black people. And yes I focus on what white people think because they’re constantly thinking about us. White people are important in my life because they are the dominant race.

 

[DOS_patos]

No. I'm saying you need to get your fucking boots on the ground and hands in the dirt to fix shit. Lecturing people from some ivory tower of celebrity, playing a make believe doctor on TV while demanding people become pharmacists, does not actually change the circumstances for these people caught in the throes of adversity. Unless he's out here personally mentoring thugs then he's not doing anything that is actually gonna have an impact. Does he expect the people selling drugs or their bodies to suddenly stop? How are they to live? Is Pill Cosby paying their bills? Where is the fucking community on this?

He has a special place on the Mt. Rushmore of condescending Rich Black folks after that speech

so you are saying the speech i just posted is condescending?

where?

but to your post.....so its ok to sell drugs to your own because they system isnt providing? really my nigga?
thats how your parents raised you? nigga diont you got a job? the fact you go to work...in theory you acting better than them niggas who on the block. you uppity bruh. and the fact you light skinned makes it worse(i had to take a shot).

but he has put boots on the ground...he did what he could to help.

by why is the onus on him to do everything and think of everything?

like it say in the speech and like we say on this site....where are the parents.

when a nigga does something stupid....do we not say...where was the dad?
when a chick buss it open ..do we not say wheres the dad?

but cosby says it...now its a problem and he speaking from an ivory tower?

cmon bruh....you better than this.

 

[DOS_patos]

Don’t twist words. I said suspect white people. As in white supremacists and racists. When those people are agreeing with you the same people that dont give a shit about you then yes you are saying the wrong thing or you have to at least reevaluate what you’re saying.

He gave a speech in front of white people and not once did he address systemic white supremacy and racism he even said it’s not white peoples fault which got a huge ovation from white people btw, as he ripped into black people. And yes I focus on what white people think because they’re constantly thinking about us. White people are important in my life because they are the dominant race.

agian /...you go back to white supremacy.

why is that?

why cant we think about us and only us, first?

how you gonna fix a bad relationship by trying to fix your mate? you must fix yourself first.

leave white people outta this shit for now. they will have their time. its steps to war. stop deflecting and using them as a distraction.

do you think the builders and residents in black wall street thought about white supremacy first?
fuck no.....they knew it was there but they tried to fix themselves up ...First

 

[DOS_patos]

@a.mann
@SKPJR
get ya asses in here

fuck that im fade finding today

 

[5th Letter]

agian /...you go back to white supremacy.

why is that?

why cant we think about us and only us, first?

how you gonna fix a bad relationship by trying to fix your mate? you must fix yourself first.

leave white people outta this shit for now. they will have their time. its steps to war. stop deflecting and using them as a distraction.

do you think the builders and residents in black wall street thought about white supremacy first?
fuck no.....they knew it was there but they tried to fix themselves up ...First

The root of the problems in black society was started because of white supremacy. Why are you afraid to discuss this? Talking down on black people is easy it’s like picking on the scrawny kid that gets bullied by everybody. Speaking on white supremacy is hard. Funny you mentioned black wall street because white supremacy is what destroyed that community.

 

[DMorgan]

Don’t twist words. I said suspect white people. As in white supremacists and racists. When those people are agreeing with you the same people that dont give a shit about you then yes you are saying the wrong thing or you have to at least reevaluate what you’re saying.

He gave a speech in front of white people and not once did he address systemic white supremacy and racism he even said it’s not white peoples fault which got a huge ovation from white people btw, as he ripped into black people. And yes I focus on what white people think because they’re constantly thinking about us. White people are important in my life because they are the dominant race.

What speech was that?

The pound cake speech was given at the NAACP awards.

 

[LUCIEN]

so you are saying the speech i just posted is condescending?

where?

but to your post.....so its ok to sell drugs to your own because they system isnt providing? really my nigga?
thats how your parents raised you? nigga diont you got a job? the fact you go to work...in theory you acting better than them niggas who on the block. you uppity bruh. and the fact you light skinned makes it worse(i had to take a shot).

but he has put boots on the ground...he did what he could to help.

by why is the onus on him to do everything and think of everything?

like it say in the speech and like we say on this site....where are the parents.

when a nigga does something stupid....do we not say...where was the dad?
when a chick buss it open ..do we not say wheres the dad?

but cosby says it...now its a problem and he speaking from an ivory tower?

cmon bruh....you better than this.

It's just as useless when we say it as average folks, but the fact that people put more weight on Cosby's words because of who he is makes it particularly important to point out that he's preaching from a place that is lightyears removed from the struggle.

I'm not saying people who are breaking the law to feed themselves are doing the best thing, but I'll be dammed if I tell a man he doesn't have the right to do what he sees is in his best interest. Freedom. Liberty. The pursuit of happiness.

I work two jobs and go to school. I'm part of a writing club in my city. I'm involved in music projects with local artists. But I was also recently struggling with addiction, going through my own personal hell, and I brought my parents through it with me. I know how it is to be in that position and not have the capacity to fix your life on your own. With that wisdom, I can't reasonably condone the tone and approach of Bill's speech.

Also, while I disagree with 5th Letter about white cosigns always being a bad sign, I think the fact that Bill was addressing a white audience is important to keep in mind.