I remember watching the first Raw on USA, been watching ever since
TonyDubbz
Legion of Trill | Keep god in ya life, fuck nigga
Ludwig a great heel. So I don't see them running him vs Gunther anytime soon but maybe towards the second half of 2025. They'd probably play with the idea of turning him or idk maybe they'll just run it like u said where they have a straight up feud where he challenges Gunther and they have a straight up feud where he puts him back in his place and it ends in a a show of respect. Gunther already shown he has no problem giving respect when its earned in the ring so that'd be a dope story to tell
After that Ludwig could then step out on his own.
Iceberg_Taylor
Kill em With A Smile!!
Any idea of having Ludwig and Gunther feud would be just as big of mistake as removing Vinci from Imperium
Loneshot
Active Member
I still don't understand what went wrong with Vinci. They have kicked him out of the group twice now, but he hasn't been released or used much each time afterwards. Very odd creative decision.
Iceberg_Taylor
Kill em With A Smile!!
The word on the street is that he was tryin to lock in on Tiffy Time and Ludwig wasnt havin it
So they put him on the show with Tiffany
Iceberg_Taylor
Kill em With A Smile!!
WWE is a weird place
Iceberg_Taylor
Kill em With A Smile!!
IDK what Rhea is doing but I like it. Fuck it I like all TREE OF EM!!!!!
TonyDubbz
Legion of Trill | Keep god in ya life, fuck nigga
I wasnt putting much stock into those Vinci/Ludwig/tiff rumors at first because it really didnt make sense when they moved him to SD where she was but then when they did the stop and go shit wit him and had him losing to Apollo before taking him off tv completely.... I started thinking it might of been something to that fr.
if thats the case then he fucked himself over and probably ruined some shit that they already had in place for imperium cause if u notice their booking changed they started losing. thats when they started the angle between him and Kaiser to kick him out the group. Had that not happened there aint no telling what they would of done w/ them. i always saw them as the ones to eventually overtake RAW and take JD spot as the top faction once they were drafted up there
if thats the case then he fucked himself over and probably ruined some shit that they already had in place for imperium cause if u notice their booking changed they started losing. thats when they started the angle between him and Kaiser to kick him out the group. Had that not happened there aint no telling what they would of done w/ them. i always saw them as the ones to eventually overtake RAW and take JD spot as the top faction once they were drafted up there
I had no clue those rumors were around until Iceberg posted it.
TonyDubbz
Legion of Trill | Keep god in ya life, fuck nigga
yep shit happened back in the summer or lke right before
the news broke around the time imperiums booking started to get weird and they started to show tension between him and ludwig on tv to where they were competing to impress gunther.
its a damn shame cus the tag division on RAW really suffered w/o them. i dont think JD would of had those titles for as long if they didnt split them up
Loneshot
Active Member
I'm still a little confused, probably because I didn't know Ludwig is dating Tiffany. That is bizarre considering Ludwig and Vinci seemed pretty tight. I've seen them do interviews together, so it's wild that Vinci would go after the girl of his own friend and tag team partner.
WWE has to play this out on TV.
WWE has to play this out on TV.
TonyDubbz
Legion of Trill | Keep god in ya life, fuck nigga
I dont know bro.. it seems like thats what they were aiming at trying to do before but it might of been a situation where they couldnt work together without trying to fuck eachother up fr.
that would explain vinci being banished to SD
Black_Samson
OG
How is this anything other than Go Away Heat?
This seems VERY shortsighted.
Black_Samson
OG
I get that.
Just dont see the benefit.
It’s like the dog food bit with Baron and Roman.
Served no point.
Loneshot
Active Member
That's what I'm saying. For others, I could imagine them using it in their favor to work the crowd. Ricochet just flips the bird at them and goes straight into his spot fests. This is why it's not an issue of opportunity for Ricochet, but rather he needs a mentor. He's a bit old though, so I can't see him really changing.Can someone tell me how Ricochet getting Dweeb’d that damn hard is some how going to make him a compelling Heel?
How is this anything other than Go Away Heat?
This seems VERY shortsighted.