Music vs Movies/shows. Which is more influential and impactful?

[ZMaKEa]

Naw, you need too know the language to know the full message when dealing with strictly audio. Sure, tone can let you know if someone is angry, sad, or happy. But someone yelling on a track in a language i dont understand will just leave me confused . For all I know, they can be talking bout love in a angry voice. That is just how some people sound. Seems like you are just speaking of a nice beat and chorus. Yeah, people may vibe to it but they aint gonna know that the song is telling them to rob a bank.

Now if I see the video to the song, I will know the message based on the visuals.

Yeah but how many songs are out there like Hotel California, that has multiple interpretations and meanings?

Music isn't an intellectual and rational experience like watching a movie and a narrative, where you are actively trying to understand the plot, subtext and plot to decipher a meaning.

Playboi Carti and Young Thug mumbles and shouts incoherent shit in their music all the time and people react to it.

Music doesn't have to have a coherent and intelligible message for people to feel motivated and inspired to do something. It doesn't even have to have words.

You can listen to an angry sounding beat Hip Hop beat and think about typical bang bang shoot 'em up Hip Hop shit.

Then you can listen to dusty warm Nujabes shit and have more tranquil thoughts.

For example, this I Am God instrumental by Clams Casino on YouTube. Someone made a fan video with random fucking images. The instrumental has no coherence message but people folk to it and comment about their dead friends and family and bare their souls. People have been doing it for years.



That's what music does to people. That's why music is considered universal because the foundations of musical structure of certain sounds and tones, influences people to think, act and behave a certain way no matter if it is intelligible or rational. Things that bypass the part of your brain that wanna make sense of things are more impactful because the question "Why?" never pops up.

 

[Inori]

Stop you gonna make it seem like I’m laughing at him lol

 

[Inori]

Weed use jumped after Redman and Cypress Hill came on the scene. They gave us weed head rappers for each coast.

Like hippies and all that shit didnt exist before all that. Cheech n Chong. Show the stats that equate the uptick in weed use to hip hop.

weed use was heavy in tv and movies at the time way before then. Why does hip hop take the blame?

 

[konceptjones]

Like hippies and all that shit didnt exist before all that. Cheech n Chong. Show the stats that equate the uptick in weed use to hip hop.

weed use was heavy in tv and movies at the time way before then. Why does hip hop take the blame?

Bruh, nobody was really talking about weed heavy until them two acts came along.

I knew a few cats that smoked back then but weed was still seen more as an old head thing to do, and also more of a white college kid thing (at least out where I was at). I sold weed off and on for a bit in '91-'92 and my customers generally fell into both of those categories and that's with me being in Detroit proper. But after Cypress Hill dropped in summer of '91, then Red in '92, some of everybody was suddenly into smoking weed. I'd go so far as to say that nobody was rollin up blunts until Red's "How To Roll A Blunt" 'cause most cats had no idea what Phillies were around the way, folks I knew were on Zig Zags and that's it.

When Dre hit with "The Chronic" it was a wrap, it seemed like everybody wanted to roll up and put weed references in their songs after that.

 

[Inori]

Bruh, nobody was really talking about weed heavy until them two acts came along.

I knew a few cats that smoked back then but weed was still seen more as an old head thing to do, and also more of a white college kid thing (at least out where I was at). I sold weed off and on for a bit in '91-'92 and my customers generally fell into both of those categories and that's with me being in Detroit proper. But after Cypress Hill dropped in summer of '91, then Red in '92, some of everybody was suddenly into smoking weed. I'd go so far as to say that nobody was rollin up blunts until Red's "How To Roll A Blunt" 'cause most cats had no idea what Phillies were around the way, folks I knew were on Zig Zags and that's it.

When Dre hit with "The Chronic" it was a wrap, it seemed like everybody wanted to roll up and put weed references in their songs after that.

people been smoking weed for as long as there was weed to smoke fam. Lets not act like jazz musicians didnt smoke herb like that.

jazz, hippie, anti culture was on weed well before hip hop started rappin about it

 

[loud-ninja]

Yeah but how many songs are out there like Hotel California, that has multiple interpretations and meanings?

Music isn't an intellectual and rational experience like watching a movie and a narrative, where you are actively trying to understand the plot, subtext and plot to decipher a meaning.

Playboi Carti and Young Thug mumbles and shouts incoherent shit in their music all the time and people react to it.

Music doesn't have to have a coherent and intelligible message for people to feel motivated and inspired to do something. It doesn't even have to have words.

You can listen to an angry sounding beat Hip Hop beat and think about typical bang bang shoot 'em up Hip Hop shit.

Then you can listen to dusty warm Nujabes shit and have more tranquil thoughts.

For example, this I Am God instrumental by Clams Casino on YouTube. Someone made a fan video with random fucking images. The instrumental has no coherence message but people folk to it and comment about their dead friends and family and bare their souls. People have been doing it for years.



That's what music does to people. That's why music is considered universal because the foundations of musical structure of certain sounds and tones, influences people to think, act and behave a certain way no matter if it is intelligible or rational. Things that bypass the part of your brain that wanna make sense of things are more impactful because the question "Why?" never pops up.

I can agree to this to an extent. Instrumentals can change behavior. A high bpm song will make you want to dance. A more classical instrumental will allow you to relax and think.

But you dont hear in the news that instrumentals is causing the rise of violence and drug use. It is more of an enhancer to what a person is already doing

 

[konceptjones]

people been smoking weed for as long as there was weed to smoke fam. Lets not act like jazz musicians didnt smoke herb like that.

jazz, hippie, anti culture was on weed well before hip hop started rappin about it

You don't get what I'm saying at all.

 

[Playmaker88]

This isnt debatable the music specifically hiphop is enveloped in hiphop culture

Music itself is taken in at and infinitely higher clip than movies...

 

[Loneshot]

Music. Ever mute commercials and realize how hard it is to understand what the ad is selling? I regularly mute ads at home just to play the "what the hell are they selling?" game with my family. Music does not even need lyrics to influence your mood and behavior. Music is much more dangerous than film/tv, as you still need some comprehension of what you are viewing to began processing the images, negatively or positively. It's like that song by Missy says, "music make you lose control."

It's one reason I can't stand how music is used in media, because without it, viewers can better comprehend the actual message instead of being distracted by the soundtrack that is attempting to establish their feelings for them.

 

[King Freeman]

I will say Japanese anime is coming on strong.

Normal tv shows or cartoons don’t compare to the grasp Japanese anime have on folks right now

My nigga pulled up the other day in front of my building blasting the soundtrack to Attack on Titan s4 lmaooooo. I got in the car like "bruh wtf are you listening to rn."

He turned it off then tried playing it again later while we was driving like "this shit sick" I was legit sitting there like...

He cut it off after a minute like "you get the drift"

 

[konceptjones]

Music. Ever mute commercials and realize how hard it is to understand what the ad is selling? I regularly mute ads at home just to play the "what the hell are they selling?" game with my family. Music does not even need lyrics to influence your mood and behavior. Music is much more dangerous than film/tv, as you still need some comprehension of what you are viewing to began processing the images, negatively or positively. It's like that song by Missy says, "music make you lose control."

It's one reason I can't stand how music is used in media, because without it, viewers can better comprehend the actual message instead of being distracted by the soundtrack that is attempting to establish their feelings for them.

My youngest daughter always clowns those pharma commercials with the gentle piano or acoustic guitar music in the background 'cause it's obvious they're trying to associate the drug with something nice, sentimental, or whatnot despite the side effects being royally fucked up.

 

[MorganFreemanKing]

Are you implying im mad? If so, what would I be mad about?

The interview that spawned this classic quote was literally about this subject. One of the points brought up is that a movie or television show is a production with a story crafted for consumption which insinuates and/or establishes fabrication. Where music on the other hand (especially rap) isn't as collaborative with it's content.
On side says rap doesn't make the distinction so children are more likely to pick up habits and ideologies from it. Cam'Ron points out that he's just a reported telling it like it is. His point is that depiction isn't endorsement. This was back in 2004. This discussion has been done ad nauseum to no end or resolution.
Sticking with influence of content, the question will always be whether or not depiction is or isn't endorsement. Cam'Ron is just one rapper. There are many others who are fabricating things. Simply talking about things because it gets attention can be glorification.
The major difference between music and visual PRODUCTIONS (movies and tv) is that context is usually established to make the distinction whereas music usually doesnt require that. With all that said i don't really have an answer.

 

[OGDirtyD]

Music and it aint even close. More knuckeheads mfs shooting eachother because their favorite artist talking tough shooting everybody in their songs and videos.

So many of the highschool kids think theu NBA Young Boy and they ass white, black, hispanic, etc from suburbs to the hood.

 

[DMorgan]

It's both and equally IMO.

 

[BRIAN B.]

don't forget the subliminal messages they put in films


after so many frames have 1 of jus popcorn, next thing you kno you at the concession stand lol

 

[mike030270]

I think the music videos were the most influential but I don't know if those are as big as they were when we were younger with mtv, bet, etc.

 

[DMorgan]

I think the music videos were the most influential but I don't know if those are as big as they were when we were younger with mtv, bet, etc.

I think that is something we'd have to ask the youth we are around. About a year or so ago I found out that Vevo had big channels of all music videos going 24 hours a day. Still got Youtube and WorldStar posting music videos daily and they getting a lot of views depending on the artist.

 

[loud-ninja]

Im willing to agree they both have equal power but i cant say music by a long shot.

Again, look what some of these tik tok challenges got kids and adults doing.

Then you got parents mad at gay images on TV because some think it will make their kid gay.

Sex will always sell and that is why it is on damn near every adult TV show.

Also think how TV numbs people to things. Like the people that watch videos of people dying.

Watching constant violent images can lead to aggressive behavior