Lebron Steps To Stephen A Smith For Talking About His Son

The Lonious Monk said:
Bro, I feel like you take things that a couple extremists say here and there and make that out to be the common opinion of MJ or 90s fans. And it's a hilarious thing to bring up fouls to prove your point. People bash Lebron for putting on insane histrionics for ticky tack shit or leaving his teammates in 4 on 5 situations 2-5 times a game because he's arguing with the ref. You're trying to equate that to MJ complaining to management about a team who literally said that their strategy was to foul him to take him out of the game because either way its only 2 free throws. Like how does this make sense in your head when you're typing it out.



Bruh, what are you talking about? Lebron literally said Yeah, we had a Big 3 and Chalmers and Haslem but the rest of our team was a bunch of "league minimums." The nigga even got called out on it by ex-teammates, so why are you trying to act like I'm just making some shit up to dislike Lebron. That's what he said. Now the nigga stays double talking, so if you want to just listen to the shit that allows you to feel good about him and ignore everything else, but don't accuse me of manufacturing bias just because I go the other direction with it.




Again, what are you talking about? I've said sports media is trash. I don't listen to any of them niggas like that. But you are misrepresenting what is happening nowadays. It's not just a bunch of old heads on TV acting like everything was perfect back then and everything is terrible now. Media has just turned into a bunch of argument shows with people going back and forth with absurd takes. Yes, there are people on these shows that can only say 6-0 over and over again when talking about MJ but that's because they are arguing with people that can only say 8 straight Finals appearances when talking about Lebron. You're looking at a ridiculous argument and then pulling one said of that argument pretending like it exists in a vacuum.

The actual people who make real criticisms aren't out there like "Today's game is bad because it's not perfect like it was in the 90s." They actually point out real issues like load management, lack of real rivalries, inconsistent defensive effort, overreliance on the 3 pt shot, etc.. And people like you just want to act like those people don't exist and boil all negative criticism down to bashing. Also, Greg Anthony didn't even get into the NBA until 1995, so why does his opinion matter more than that of the people who played in the 90s and before. That's when people say it was rough. By the mid to late 90s, it was still more physical today, but it was softening a little.
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Im not boiling it down to the extremes. What I'm saying is those extremes have come to dominate the sports media landscape and that's how people have spent the past decade plus talking about the game. And you're not even consistent in acknowledging that. One post its "absolutely nobody did that". Then its "well only some did it". Now that you actually were honest and admitted that there are folks who view MJs career as "6 for 6" and nothing else maybe you can see that's exactly what I've been talking about in how the NBA discourse has been distorted. Thats been the point the entire time which you agree with as long as it's not framed in a way that also shows Bron has gotten some weird and at times a disproportionate amount of criticism for normal shit NBA players do which you also fall into. Complaining to the ref isn't the same as "I'm going to the commissioner about this. That team needs to be out the league".

Also Greg Anthony got drafted in 1991 not 1995 so you're wrong there. You keep talking about people rewriting history when you've said plenty of shit in this thread thats wrong to boost your own point. You're doing exactly what you're speaking against.

And since you wanna discount Greg Anthony because of the time frame he played in does that also mean you're saying those last 3 titles MJ won was in an era when the league was getting softer? Does that make those last 3 titles not as impressive? Its silly to say it does. That's where the inconsistent in the criticism comes in. One moment the 80s and 90s was all elbows and body slams in the paint. The next it's "well the league was getting softer by then".
 
BlackRain said:
Im not boiling it down to the extremes. What I'm saying is those extremes have come to dominate the sports media landscape and that's how people have spent the past decade plus talking about the game. And you're not even consistent in acknowledging that. One post its "absolutely nobody did that". Then its "well only some did it". Now that you actually were honest and admitted that there are folks who view MJs career as "6 for 6" and nothing else maybe you can see that's exactly what I've been talking about in how the NBA discourse has been distorted. Thats been the point the entire time which you agree with as long as it's not framed in a way that also shows Bron has gotten some weird and at times a disproportionate amount of criticism for normal shit NBA players do which you also fall into. Complaining to the ref isn't the same as "I'm going to the commissioner about this. That team needs to be out the league".

Also Greg Anthony got drafted in 1991 not 1995 so you're wrong there. You keep talking about people rewriting history when you've said plenty of shit in this thread thats wrong to boost your own point. You're doing exactly what you're speaking against.

And since you wanna discount Greg Anthony because of the time frame he played in does that also mean you're saying those last 3 titles MJ won was in an era when the league was getting softer? Does that make those last 3 titles not as impressive? Its silly to say it does. That's where the inconsistent in the criticism comes in. One moment the 80s and 90s was all elbows and body slams in the paint. The next it's "well the league was getting softer by then".
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Bruh, I'm not talking about the extremes. I never talk about the extremes. That's why you think what I'm saying is inconsistent. You're the one hung up on that. I'm talking about reasonable people which I thought you were. So when I see you make a claim as a reasonable person that MJ fans act like he only played 6 seasons. I come to you as a reasonable person, and say "That's not true. Only the extremes think that way, most MJ fans acknowledge his whole story."

As for the Greg Anthony thing, I looked it up and the first thing that popped up said he was drafted in 1995, but looking it up again, it was talking about that expansion draft not his original draft into the NBA. That was a mistake, but instead of you simply saying I made a mistake there, you want to act like I've been saying a lot of wrong stuff (what else wrong did I say?) and accuse me of boost incorrect information to prove a point. But once again, what do you do run to the extremes "all elbows and nobody slams in the paint." Who said that? Me and you are having a conversation. When did I say anything like that? You're accusing me of being inconsistent and then using shit I never said or would say (MJ, Nique, Clyde, etc... all made names for themselves in the 80s and 90s driving into the paint) to prove your point.

At this point, you're just arguing to arguing, and that saying a lot coming from me on here. I'm gonna let you be.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Bruh, I'm not talking about the extremes. I never talk about the extremes. That's why you think what I'm saying is inconsistent. You're the one hung up on that. I'm talking about reasonable people which I thought you were. So when I see you make a claim as a reasonable person that MJ fans act like he only played 6 seasons. I come to you as a reasonable person, and say "That's not true. Only the extremes think that way, most MJ fans acknowledge his whole story."

As for the Greg Anthony thing, I looked it up and the first thing that popped up said he was drafted in 1995, but looking it up again, it was talking about that expansion draft not his original draft into the NBA. That was a mistake, but instead of you simply saying I made a mistake there, you want to act like I've been saying a lot of wrong stuff (what else wrong did I say?) and accuse me of boost incorrect information to prove a point. But once again, what do you do run to the extremes "all elbows and nobody slams in the paint." Who said that? Me and you are having a conversation. When did I say anything like that? You're accusing me of being inconsistent and then using shit I never said or would say (MJ, Nique, Clyde, etc... all made names for themselves in the 80s and 90s driving into the paint) to prove your point.

At this point, you're just arguing to arguing, and that saying a lot coming from me on here. I'm gonna let you be.
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But you didn't say the bold. You literally said "absolutely nobody says that". As a "reasonable person" you should know that the extremes exist. Which you acknowledge and admit has come to be a part of the discourse of the league. You just don'tike one of the people who shares that opinion and that colors your commentary on the subject when Bron's name gets involved. One of the major themes of the topic of how the NBA discourse has changed is how the extremes have come to be a major part of how people talk about players and teams as a whole and individually. You can't divorce that from the topic.

As for the comments about the physical play...I'm literally repeating what older players have said about how they would play. As you said the Pistons intentionally set out to basically hurt MJ. Plenty of older players have said they would take the same tactics if some current players were in the league back then. Thats even how Steph name got involved now. From SA going on TV claiming a hall of famer said they'd basically try and beat Steph down on the court, attack his ankles on purpose etc to slow him down. You keep claiming certain things aren't being said without actually checking to see if they've been said.
 
BlackRain said:
But you didn't say the bold. You literally said "absolutely nobody says that". As a "reasonable person" you should know that the extremes exist. Which you acknowledge and admit has come to be a part of the discourse of the league. You just don'tike one of the people who shares that opinion and that colors your commentary on the subject when Bron's name gets involved. One of the major themes of the topic of how the NBA discourse has changed is how the extremes have come to be a major part of how people talk about players and teams as a whole and individually. You can't divorce that from the topic.

As for the comments about the physical play...I'm literally repeating what older players have said about how they would play. As you said the Pistons intentionally set out to basically hurt MJ. Plenty of older players have said they would take the same tactics if some current players were in the league back then. Thats even how Steph name got involved now. From SA going on TV claiming a hall of famer said they'd basically try and beat Steph down on the court, attack his ankles on purpose etc to slow him down. You keep claiming certain things aren't being said without actually checking to see if they've been said.
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Absolutely nobody walks around claiming MJ only played 6 seasons or acting like he never lost in his career. If someone did, please post an example, otherwise just admit you don't really want to talk about things that were actually said in genuine conversation. You just want to discuss strawmen and bullshit spouted by a few fringe idiots. If that's what you want to do, fine, but I'm not really interested in that.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Absolutely nobody walks around claiming MJ only played 6 seasons or acting like he never lost in his career. If someone did, please post an example, otherwise just admit you don't really want to talk about things that were actually said in genuine conversation. You just want to discuss strawmen and bullshit spouted by a few fringe idiots. If that's what you want to do, fine, but I'm not really interested in that.
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I didn't say people claim he only played 6 seasons. I said theres a large section of people that when they speak about his career it becomes only about those 6 seasons and not his career in totality. Those are 2 completely different statements.

Also for as much as you claim to hate extremes you certainly clearly skipped over the questions right before the "elbows and body slams" comment which was clearly an exaggeration. Those people you consider fringe idiots aren't as few as you want to think. Hence why their commentary has become such a very loud and prominent part of the current discourse about the league and players . And your dislike of Bron has you unable to see that you're actually in agreement with one of the main points. You just don't like that he's the one saying it and people are agreeing with him.
 
BlackRain said:
I didn't say people claim he only played 6 seasons. I said theres a large section of people that when they speak about his career it becomes only about those 6 seasons and not his career in totality. Those are 2 completely different statements.

Also for as much as you claim to hate extremes you certainly clearly skipped over the questions right before the "elbows and body slams" comment which was clearly an exaggeration. Those people you consider fringe idiots aren't as few as you want to think. Hence why their commentary has become such a very loud and prominent part of the current discourse about the league and players . And your dislike of Bron has you unable to see that you're actually in agreement with one of the main points. You just don't like that he's the one saying it and people are agreeing with him.
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Bruh we're going around in circles. I've already said that the discussion being limited to those 6 seasons comes in GOAT arguments where people are literally putting MJ's best against Lebron's best. That's not how regular discussion of MJ's legacy or career goes. If you step back and think about what you're saying for a second, you'll understand it doesn't make sense. MJ wasn't even at his personal best when he was winning those championships. His best season was probably 88 when he damn near got every personal award you can get all in one season. That's why I say your claim about the 6 season is bunk. If you're a real fan of MJ and you want to build a case for him, you'd only hurt him by sticking to the championship seasons.

Anyway bro, I thought your questions were rhetorical, but here are your answers so you'll stop accusing of the bullshit you keep accusing me of. You're almost on that Knock_Twice dude's level when it comes to taking trivial shit from people's posts and trying to act like they are big gotchas.

Yes, the league was softer by the time MJ won the second three titles but it was still more physical that it is now.
No, it's not less impressive because physicality isn't the end all be all for the quality of wins. The same goes for any championships won today. The fact that the league is less physical now doesn't take away from any of the championships won at all.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Bruh we're going around in circles. I've already said that the discussion being limited to those 6 seasons comes in GOAT arguments where people are literally putting MJ's best against Lebron's best. That's not how regular discussion of MJ's legacy or career goes. If you step back and think about what you're saying for a second, you'll understand it doesn't make sense. MJ wasn't even at his personal best when he was winning those championships. His best season was probably 88 when he damn near got every personal award you can get all in one season. That's why I say your claim about the 6 season is bunk. If you're a real fan of MJ and you want to build a case for him, you'd only hurt him by sticking to the championship seasons.

Anyway bro, I thought your questions were rhetorical, but here are your answers so you'll stop accusing of the bullshit you keep accusing me of. You're almost on that Knock_Twice dude's level when it comes to taking trivial shit from people's posts and trying to act like they are big gotchas.

Yes, the league was softer by the time MJ won the second three titles but it was still more physical that it is now.
No, it's not less impressive because physicality isn't the end all be all for the quality of wins. The same goes for any championships won today. The fact that the league is less physical now doesn't take away from any of the championships won at all.
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Nah thats an insult. Don't compare me to that nonsense. You just made absolute statements that you had to backtrack on. That's not a gotcha moment. That's bad wording on your part. As for the rest that's part of where your disconnect lies. You don't think that there is as large and loud of a contingent in regards to folks who only try to use those 6 seasons of MJs career as it is. If you won't even entertain the idea then there's no way for you to even acknowledge how much of a part of current NBA discourse as it has become and you're missing a part of the entire discussion as a whole. I agree that trying to only focus on those 6 seasons hurts MJ, but what you don't seem to either get or want to admit is that there are plenty people who do just that and don't realize they're hurting their case more than just that.

And even for those who do focus on more there's alot of people who only focus on the highlights or the stats. You know how many people don't realize the Bulls lost the game where MJ scored 63 in the playoffs? That's part of what I meant and things like what some allude to when they say the past has been reduced to the highlights and little more. And thats where other things like having people on TV screaming "Giannis wouldn't make a layup in the 80s" or older players who say their only recourse to stop certain players would be to try and injure them sound even dumber. Because it misses context of the entirety of how the game was played and acting like certain things happened on a nightly basis when they simply didn't.
 
BlackRain said:
Nah thats an insult. Don't compare me to that nonsense. You just made absolute statements that you had to backtrack on. That's not a gotcha moment. That's bad wording on your part. As for the rest that's part of where your disconnect lies. You don't think that there is as large and loud of a contingent in regards to folks who only try to use those 6 seasons of MJs career as it is. If you won't even entertain the idea then there's no way for you to even acknowledge how much of a part of current NBA discourse as it has become and you're missing a part of the entire discussion as a whole. I agree that trying to only focus on those 6 seasons hurts MJ, but what you don't seem to either get or want to admit is that there are plenty people who do just that and don't realize they're hurting their case more than just that.

And even for those who do focus on more there's alot of people who only focus on the highlights or the stats. You know how many people don't realize the Bulls lost the game where MJ scored 63 in the playoffs? That's part of what I meant and things like what some allude to when they say the past has been reduced to the highlights and little more. And thats where other things like having people on TV screaming "Giannis wouldn't make a layup in the 80s" or older players who say their only recourse to stop certain players would be to try and injure them sound even dumber. Because it misses context of the entirety of how the game was played and acting like certain things happened on a nightly basis when they simply didn't.
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Are you even reading at this point? You keep accusing me of shit that's not true. Look at the bold. I've said several times now that there are people who do that. I just explained that I believe they are doing it in the context of arguing why MJ is better than Lebron. Nobody leads an argument by presenting failures. Similarly, the Lebron side only pushes that he got to 8 finals in a row. They don't lead by saying that he lost 5 of them. And by the way, this shit you just did is literally what he does in every argument he engages.

It's enough. You ain't reading or trying to understand my points, and to be honest I've gotten bored with the conversation so I'm probably not reading your shit as well as I should either. I'm deading it.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Are you even reading at this point? You keep accusing me of shit that's not true. Look at the bold. I've said several times now that there are people who do that. I just explained that I believe they are doing it in the context of arguing why MJ is better than Lebron. Nobody leads an argument by presenting failures. Similarly, the Lebron side only pushes that he got to 8 finals in a row. They don't lead by saying that he lost 5 of them. And by the way, this shit you just did is literally what he does in every argument he engages.

It's enough. You ain't reading or trying to understand my points, and to be honest I've gotten bored with the conversation so I'm probably not reading your shit as well as I should either. I'm deading it.
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The bold has been clear. Because if you had been you'd see the agreement and wouldn't be skipping over so much
 
Nigga presses SAS for a basketball take, but has no words for a nigga who disrespected your queen multiple times

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BlackRain said:
Well yes it's literally the definition of a different situation. And that's why keep the same energy makes people look like idiots. Good job
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Nah y’all can’t help but dick eat Lebron.

The fiasco with SAS was created by Lebron. He did that bullshit with SAS for a basketball take and turned it into something else.

Meanwhile a nigga literally is disrespecting your wife daily online and he has no smoke. It’s bitch nigga behavior anyway you chop it.
 
If I'm Lebron, I need to see Kevin in the back after the game or meet him out and about some where. Pull up on him.

L.A. aint that big and Bron has eyes everywhere or people that can get in touch with Gates.

Bron knows who to talk that tough talk to and who to let shit slide with. Kevin aint Hollywood either and Bron knows.
 
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