Lebron Steps To Stephen A Smith For Talking About His Son

Knock_Twice said:
There were many great shooters that played in that Era, I've named them, and those cats did not average 30 points...

Reggie found space...and HE still didn't average 30, nor did he have a whole lot of 50 point games.

Kobe only average 8 points a game in his rook year...Kobe didn't even start when he came in the league....and you assuming that Steph would pan out in HIS 1st year in that Era is crazy....

KG didn't even ball out in his 1st year...he was getting cooked.

Also, Steph would have to play against PGs, Mookie Blaylock, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, etc...Steph would not be able to defend. He's a terrible defender...was bad when he got in the league....
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You're making up shit nobody is saying
 
BlackRain said:
You're making up shit nobody is saying
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What are you saying because you did not read post #311 or a few post above that post where posters are stating how much Steph would average in that era, You did not go back and read those posts... .let me ask you..since you are not saying what post #311 and the few post above it are saying:

How many point do you think Steph would be averaging in a 10 year career if he played from 93-2003?
 
Knock_Twice said:
What are you saying because you did not read post #311 or a few post above that post where posters are stating how much Steph would average in that era, You did not go back and read those posts... .let me ask you..since you are not saying what post #311 and the few post above it are saying:

How many point do you think Steph would be averaging in a 10 year career if he played from 93-2003?
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It's a silly argument because even now Steph doesn't average 30. He's only done it 2x his entire career. So it's pointless to even have that debate. To say he wouldn't be good at all like some are implying simply and their only recourse to stopping him from shooting would be to try and knock him down...thats also silly.
 
BlackRain said:
It's a silly argument because even now Steph doesn't average 30. He's only done it 2x his entire career. So it's pointless to even have that debate. To say he wouldn't be good at all like some are implying simply and their only recourse to stopping him from shooting would be to try and knock him down...thats also silly.
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I think folks should stop saying he would average 30 points or be who he is today. Because imo he wouldn't base of the games I've watched back in that era.


That's not silly, it's just something that was done back in that era, just because (you) think it's silly and one who has never played at that level but only watched can make a judgement like that sitting on the couch, well it's not the case with those who have played the game and put in the work to say that hard fouls will stop a player, NBA players have said that hard fouls would make players stay outta that lane. Guards play was more physical back then, they can grab, hold, belly up etc and smack the shit outta you...and not get a foul call.. That alone there is a lot and would make Steph (imo) not be in his bag.

Getting foul hard often, that tends to disrupt a person's game. People don't like getting fouled hard. Over a 82 game season those hard fouls will do something to your body over time.

Dell Curry was good.
BJ Armstrong was good. They all had decent careers and I think if Steph played, he would be your BJ armstrong or maybe a nice Mookie Blaylock type of player in that era as he got into his career.

I am saying, steph would not be the steph of today or championship run steph if he played in that era is what folks are saying...all that running around having 30 point game performances would not be something happening as often in that era. That's what I'm saying.

Steph would not even be this brand of a person if he played in that era.
 
BlackRain said:
That's the wild part. He was being sarcastic and it speaks to his point of the media taking silly shit and making it a story because you got folks actually talking about 250 points. Of course there's wild shit said by current players. But the shit don't happen in a vacuum. For instance Draymond Greene recent comments were in response to Oscar Robertson saying something about him unprompted. Charles Oakley randomly said Giannis would've been a bench player in his era and of course went the "somebody would've knocked his head off" route too a few years back after the Bucks won title. It does happen.
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Yeah, the point is, it's been going back and forth, so it's silly when people on either side try to act like it's all on the other side.

As for Lebron, he knows what he's doing. All this down to the confrontation with SAS was calculated, so he's the last person to talk about what the media does. Dude out here creating podcasts just so he can rewrite reality when it comes to his failures.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Yeah, the point is, it's been going back and forth, so it's silly when people on either side try to act like it's all on the other side.

As for Lebron, he knows what he's doing. All this down to the confrontation with SAS was calculated, so he's the last person to talk about what the media does. Dude out here creating podcasts just so he can rewrite reality when it comes to his failures.
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Lol there's that dislike again. Aint no rewriting when he openly says you can shit on him for coming up short. Meanwhile we got some people who have magically rewritten MJ career to only be 6 seasons full of nothing but game winners and blowouts. Or rewriting thr past NBA overall to be all these hard fouls and hard fought matchups every night.
 
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BlackRain said:
Lol there's that dislike again. Aint no rewriting when he openly says you can shit on him for coming up short. Meanwhile we got some people who have magically rewritten MJ career to only be 6 seasons full of nothing but game winners and blowouts. Or rewriting thr past NBA overall to be all these hard fouls and hard fought matchups every night.
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Ya'll gotta stop lying bro. Absolutely no one does the bold, that's a strawman that you Lebron/modern NBA supporters keep on spouting to avoid addressing the complaints that we actually have. In fact, the bold is just a flat out lie. You saw the Last Dance. That was a MJ puff piece specifically meant to put MJ in the limelight again. It talked about him getting swept out of the playoffs two years straight. It talked about him losing to the Pistons 3 times in a row. It showed him getting the ball stolen away and losing the series against the Magic. Every MJ fan, every Bulls fan, every 90s fan acknowledges all of that, so stop the cap. It's literally one of the dumbest lies that comes out of these arguments because part of the reason MJ fans like him so much is because we knew what he had to go through to get to a point where he could be 6-0 in the Finals.

And yes, Lebron is trying to rewrite history. It doesn't matter that he's giving us permission to do some shit we were already doing. He got on that podcast and tried to act like that 2011 team wasn't good enough to win even though he predicted 7 championships. He threw the bench players under the bus and acted like they were just some bums when in reality it included players like Juwan Howard and Mike Bibby. Lebron was the reason they lost against Dallas. Ya'll love to act like we treat Lebron unfairly with respect to MJ. Ok, cool. Name the series that the Bulls lost because MJ shit the bed the whole series. If you can't, then isn't it fair for us to use that as an example of why MJ is greater?
 
Lmao. Yall do know they was calling hella touch fouls back in the day.

Yall see hard fouls and think that’s the only ones being called when that was not the case at all
 
Knock_Twice said:
Steph wouldn't average that much because the game was a slow pace game, He wouldn't be able to get that many shots up.

Just my opinion.
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Lmao. Do you know the pace was crazy high in the 80s

And the the 90s had so many expansions teams so the talent was worse so the pace was down.
 
Dwayne said:
Lmao. Do you know the pace was crazy high in the 80s

And the the 90s had so many expansions teams so the talent was worse so the pace was down.
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I agree that the pace was high in the 80s, but were 3 pointers being shot at a high clip? How many teams were shooting 10, 3 pointers a game for 82 games in the 80s
 
Knock_Twice said:
I agree that the pace was high in the 80s, but were 3 pointers being shot at a high clip? How many teams were shooting 10, 3 pointers a game for 82 games in the 80s
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They couldn’t shoot that’s why.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Ya'll gotta stop lying bro. Absolutely no one does the bold, that's a strawman that you Lebron/modern NBA supporters keep on spouting to avoid addressing the complaints that we actually have. In fact, the bold is just a flat out lie. You saw the Last Dance. That was a MJ puff piece specifically meant to put MJ in the limelight again. It talked about him getting swept out of the playoffs two years straight. It talked about him losing to the Pistons 3 times in a row. It showed him getting the ball stolen away and losing the series against the Magic. Every MJ fan, every Bulls fan, every 90s fan acknowledges all of that, so stop the cap. It's literally one of the dumbest lies that comes out of these arguments because part of the reason MJ fans like him so much is because we knew what he had to go through to get to a point where he could be 6-0 in the Finals.

And yes, Lebron is trying to rewrite history. It doesn't matter that he's giving us permission to do some shit we were already doing. He got on that podcast and tried to act like that 2011 team wasn't good enough to win even though he predicted 7 championships. He threw the bench players under the bus and acted like they were just some bums when in reality it included players like Juwan Howard and Mike Bibby. Lebron was the reason they lost against Dallas. Ya'll love to act like we treat Lebron unfairly with respect to MJ. Ok, cool. Name the series that the Bulls lost because MJ shit the bed the whole series. If you can't, then isn't it fair for us to use that as an example of why MJ is greater?
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There's plenty of people who when you ask them or they talk about MJ career, and this is fans and media, they often speak on his career as "6 for 6". Saying absolutely nobody does that is a crazy statement when there's plenty of media members and fans who do just that. And for those that do acknowledge his entire career they definitely try and sanitize certain parts. Folks claiming MJ never did tons of things they shit on players after for that he blatantly did. Folks say he never complained about hard fouls when the man literally said he wanted to talk to David Stern about how the Pistons played against him. You can say MJ is better without denying the fact that theres a cult of fans who paint his career as flawless. Just cuz you don't think youre in that group don't mean they don't exist.

Lol at bringing up Juwan Howard like he was a major piece on those Heat teams. He was a glorified assistant who wore a uniform by his own accord at the end of his playing career. When did he act like the 2011 team wasn't good enough? He literally said he shit the bed himself in those finals. He's said it multiple times in fact. Your dislike of Bron clouds anything you hear him say and you blatantly misinterpret shit so you can continue to hate that man. Shit youve even agreed with stuff he's said as long as it's not him saying it. So much so that you're literally rewriting what he said. The team you're claiming he "threw under the bus" was that 07 Cavs team that went to the Finals. And he didn't do that. He said what people say about alot of great players which is "I made my teammates better." Since when is that a bad thing?

The thing you continue to miss because you want to frame anything Lebron says as him whining is that when people constantly shit on the product people are currently watching as not as good as the past, then it gives a false perception of both eras. And this is something even older players have spoken to. Go look at the tweet Greg Anthony posted in regards to Steph. Or any other older player who says people have overexaggerated things about the past in the NBA because all they remember are the highlights. Yes the game was tougher in some aspects, but some people have grossly overexaggerated just how tough it was
 
Knock_Twice said:
I would disagree. You had Larry Bird, Chris Mullen, Craig Hodges, Danny Angie, Dale Ellis,

Their 3point contest for the All-Star Games were very good during the 80s.
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But you didn't have bigs shooting from distance like you do now. That also has helped the 3 point numbers jump up
 
BlackRain said:
There's plenty of people who when you ask them or they talk about MJ career, and this is fans and media, they often speak on his career as "6 for 6". Saying absolutely nobody does that is a crazy statement when there's plenty of media members and fans who do just that. And for those that do acknowledge his entire career they definitely try and sanitize certain parts. Folks claiming MJ never did tons of things they shit on players after for that he blatantly did. Folks say he never complained about hard fouls when the man literally said he wanted to talk to David Stern about how the Pistons played against him. You can say MJ is better without denying the fact that theres a cult of fans who paint his career as flawless. Just cuz you don't think youre in that group don't mean they don't exist.
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Bro, I feel like you take things that a couple extremists say here and there and make that out to be the common opinion of MJ or 90s fans. And it's a hilarious thing to bring up fouls to prove your point. People bash Lebron for putting on insane histrionics for ticky tack shit or leaving his teammates in 4 on 5 situations 2-5 times a game because he's arguing with the ref. You're trying to equate that to MJ complaining to management about a team who literally said that their strategy was to foul him to take him out of the game because either way its only 2 free throws. Like how does this make sense in your head when you're typing it out.

BlackRain said:
Lol at bringing up Juwan Howard like he was a major piece on those Heat teams. He was a glorified assistant who wore a uniform by his own accord at the end of his playing career. When did he act like the 2011 team wasn't good enough? He literally said he shit the bed himself in those finals. He's said it multiple times in fact. Your dislike of Bron clouds anything you hear him say and you blatantly misinterpret shit so you can continue to hate that man. So much so that you're literally rewriting what he said. The team you're claiming he "threw under the bus" was that 07 Cavs team that went to the Finals. And he didn't do that. He said what people say about alot of great players which is "I made my teammates better." Since when is that a bad thing?
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Bruh, what are you talking about? Lebron literally said Yeah, we had a Big 3 and Chalmers and Haslem but the rest of our team was a bunch of "league minimums." The nigga even got called out on it by ex-teammates, so why are you trying to act like I'm just making some shit up to dislike Lebron. That's what he said. Now the nigga stays double talking, so if you want to just listen to the shit that allows you to feel good about him and ignore everything else, but don't accuse me of manufacturing bias just because I go the other direction with it.


BlackRain said:
The thing you continue to miss because you want to frame anything Lebron says as him whining is that when people constantly shit on the product people are currently watching as not as good as the past, then it gives a false perception of both eras. And this is something even older players have spoken to. Go look at the tweet Greg Anthony posted in regards to Steph. Or any other older player who says people have overexaggerated things about the past in the NBA because all they remember are the highlights. Yes the game was tougher in some aspects, but some people have grossly overexaggerated just how tough it was
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Again, what are you talking about? I've said sports media is trash. I don't listen to any of them niggas like that. But you are misrepresenting what is happening nowadays. It's not just a bunch of old heads on TV acting like everything was perfect back then and everything is terrible now. Media has just turned into a bunch of argument shows with people going back and forth with absurd takes. Yes, there are people on these shows that can only say 6-0 over and over again when talking about MJ but that's because they are arguing with people that can only say 8 straight Finals appearances when talking about Lebron. You're looking at a ridiculous argument and then pulling one said of that argument pretending like it exists in a vacuum.

The actual people who make real criticisms aren't out there like "Today's game is bad because it's not perfect like it was in the 90s." They actually point out real issues like load management, lack of real rivalries, inconsistent defensive effort, overreliance on the 3 pt shot, etc.. And people like you just want to act like those people don't exist and boil all negative criticism down to bashing. Also, Greg Anthony didn't even get into the NBA until 1995, so why does his opinion matter more than that of the people who played in the 90s and before. That's when people say it was rough. By the mid to late 90s, it was still more physical today, but it was softening a little.
 
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