Lebron Steps To Stephen A Smith For Talking About His Son

BlackRain said:
Im talking purely from the "we'd just beat them up" talk. If them niggas think playing under those rules where he could also be just as physical that they'd just bully somebody Giannis' size they're lying to themselves.
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But they would be physical with Giannis and if he wanted to fight about it, they'd fight about it. I'm not sure what the contention here is. David Robinson was a big nigga too, and players played him physically. That was the game back then. I'm not saying Giannis wouldn't respond in kind or wouldn't be able to handle it, but it's not unreasonable to suggest that his game would be impacted by the added physicality.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
But they would be physical with Giannis and if he wanted to fight about it, they'd fight about it. I'm not sure what the contention here is. David Robinson was a big nigga too, and players played him physically. That was the game back then. I'm not saying Giannis wouldn't respond in kind or wouldn't be able to handle it, but it's not unreasonable to suggest that his game would be impacted by the added physicality.
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Youre not saying he wouldn't respond in kind, but the implication from the older players and media people who say it are. Nobody is debating how the game was back then. The debate often revolves around the assumption that players somehow wouldn't be able to adjust and they'd just fold. Hence comments like "Giannis wouldn't get a lay up. We'd just push Steph around"
 
BlackRain said:
Youre not saying he wouldn't respond in kind, but the implication from the older players and media people who say it are. Nobody is debating how the game was back then. The debate often revolves around the assumption that players somehow wouldn't be able to adjust and they'd just fold. Hence comments like "Giannis wouldn't get a lay up. We'd just push Steph around"
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None of us know how players would respond if they were suddenly put in a different era. I tend to think superstars would be superstars in any era, but I also believe some players wouldn't be quite as good if they weren't their natural era.

For example, I don't think Jokic would look like the greatest player ever in the 90s. It's not that he'd be any less skilled back then. He'd just have to play against defensive minded centers more consistently, and that would make a different. Or look how Durant got shut down by the Celtics while he played in Brooklyn. They kinda did that by just swarming him. That's more or less what he would have seen every game in the 90s and 00s, so it's reasonable to think that he would have struggled a little bit bad then especially if his team wasn't deep.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
None of us know how players would respond if they were suddenly put in a different era. I tend to think superstars would be superstars in any era, but I also believe some players wouldn't be quite as good if they weren't their natural era.

For example, I don't think Jokic would look like the greatest player ever in the 90s. It's not that he'd be any less skilled back then. He'd just have to play against defensive minded centers more consistently, and that would make a different. Or look how Durant got shut down by the Celtics while he played in Brooklyn. They kinda did that by just swarming him. That's more or less what he would have seen every game in the 90s and 00s, so it's reasonable to think that he would have struggled a little bit bad then especially if his team wasn't deep.
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Again what you're saying isn't how the argument typically goes. Of course none of us know but the automatic assumption that they'd fold is where they feel the disrespect comes in. Of course there's certain players from any era that you know would only work in their era because of their skill sets...but when you talking the best of the best the "Nah they'd just get punked on the court because fouls were harder" is disrespectful.
 
BlackRain said:
Again what you're saying isn't how the argument typically goes. Of course none of us know but the automatic assumption that they'd fold is where they feel the disrespect comes in. Of course there's certain players from any era that you know would only work in their era because of their skill sets...but when you talking the best of the best the "Nah they'd just get punked on the court because fouls were harder" is disrespectful.
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I get it man. There are idiots on both sides. Yes, old heads say dumb shit, but I don't think you're being fair about how the argument typically goes, even in this case. Yes, they said some dumb shit about Giannis, but that was in reaction to Lebron saying some dumb shit (I actually think he was being sarcastic) about Giannis.

In my experience, most of the "He couldn't play back then" talk from older heads usually comes in response to someone claiming that players nowadays would dominate past eras. I don't recall many cases where older cats just pick a random superstar from today and claim they'd be trash in a past era. We here all the time how older players wouldn't be able to do shit in today's era.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I get it man. There are idiots on both sides. Yes, old heads say dumb shit, but I don't think you're being fair about how the argument typically goes, even in this case. Yes, they said some dumb shit about Giannis, but that was in reaction to Lebron saying some dumb shit (I actually think he was being sarcastic) about Giannis.

In my experience, most of the "He couldn't play back then" talk from older heads usually comes in response to someone claiming that players nowadays would dominate past eras. I don't recall many cases where older cats just pick a random superstar from today and claim they'd be trash in a past era. We here all the time how older players wouldn't be able to do shit in today's era.
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That's the wild part. He was being sarcastic and it speaks to his point of the media taking silly shit and making it a story because you got folks actually talking about 250 points. Of course there's wild shit said by current players. But the shit don't happen in a vacuum. For instance Draymond Greene recent comments were in response to Oscar Robertson saying something about him unprompted. Charles Oakley randomly said Giannis would've been a bench player in his era and of course went the "somebody would've knocked his head off" route too a few years back after the Bucks won title. It does happen.
 
AP3.0 said:
They also weren't jacking up 3s like they are doing now when he first came into the league so I think it's safe to say he still would be the same guy regardless of era
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Was his dad Dale Curry who also was a shooter killing the league when he played in that era??
 
Then what does this say about the NBA as a whole back then that it took all those years after that to outlaw that kinda behavior

Some of y'all niggas sound like these young niggas that only know Jordan cause of his sneakers
 
AP3.0 said:
90s

Dell Curry
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You ref the game, now looking at how you call the games in your college and HS games, when you call that up and close guarding, that riding and bellying up in an offensive player's space, that wasn't called, now in today's game, you are giving the offensive player space to move, that wasn't the case in the 80s and 90s era, them dudes were all in your space. Curry wouldn't have gotten the space that he would need to be launching 3's up back then IMO.

There were great shooters back then, just like a Curry and those shooters weren't average 40 points.....why? Why Ray Allen who is a pure shooter like Steph wasn't averaging 30 or 40??

Why Peja or a shooter like Mark Price wasn't averaging 30 or 40, one may say Mark was PG, but he's also a deadly shooter.

Steph, offenses back then in the game wouldn't be tailored around him jacking up 3's like that....
 
Folks forget Kobe average 8 points his rookie year and KG only 10 or less but we wanna say Curry will be getting 40 a night? Ok
 
Knock_Twice said:
You ref the game, now looking at how you call the games in your college and HS games, when you call that up and close guarding, that riding and bellying up in an offensive player's space, that wasn't called, now in today's game, you are giving the offensive player space to move, that wasn't the case in the 80s and 90s era, them dudes were all in your space. Curry wouldn't have gotten the space that he would need to be launching 3's up back then IMO.

There were great shooters back then, just like a Curry and those shooters weren't average 40 points.....why? Why Ray Allen who is a pure shooter like Steph wasn't averaging 30 or 40??

Why Peja or a shooter like Mark Price wasn't averaging 30 or 40, one may say Mark was PG, but he's also a deadly shooter.

Steph, offenses back then in the game wouldn't be tailored around him jacking up 3's like that....
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I think the conversation is silly anyway

It's really hard trying to pit eras against one another for a myriad of reasons

But Steph as a player could play in any era. His impact I think would be different on either end of the spectrum but he has the talent regardless of rules. Coaches would find a way to get him open.
 
RandomNegro said:
Yeah, but you gotta ignore when niggas say stupid shit like Stephen Curry wouldn’t be able to do nothing back then. We had dudes like Glenn Rice balling in the NBA. Reggie Miller was balling in the NBA back then. John Starks was balling in the NBA back then. I seen John Starks shoot like shit nigga ain’t no way.
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All the dudes named were bigger and stronger than Steph

Put Steph through whatever MJ went through w the Pistons his career may not last past it
 
BlackRain said:
Nobody said Curry would average 40. And Ray Allen was much more than a shooter.
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Go read post #311, before that a few up, another dude said 30 and 10.

Steph would be a 10 -14 point game if that...

My point being, Ray Allen is a shooter, one of the best to ever shoot the ball and he didn't average 30,

How many 50 point games did he have when he played in the 90s and Ray played the 2, where back then it was mainly the 2 guard and Centers/PF who shot the ball the most in games
 
BlackRain said:
If Reggie Miller could find space to run around screens to get his shots off so could Steph. Reggie has said so himself multiple times
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There were many great shooters that played in that Era, I've named them, and those cats did not average 30 points...

Reggie found space...and HE still didn't average 30, nor did he have a whole lot of 50 point games.

Kobe only average 8 points a game in his rook year...Kobe didn't even start when he came in the league....and you assuming that Steph would pan out in HIS 1st year in that Era is crazy....

KG didn't even ball out in his 1st year...he was getting cooked.

Also, Steph would have to play against PGs, Mookie Blaylock, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, etc...Steph would not be able to defend. He's a terrible defender...was bad when he got in the league....
 
Steph wouldn't average that much because the game was a slow pace game, He wouldn't be able to get that many shots up.

Just my opinion.
 
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