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Kirk Franklin cusses out son

TheNightKing said:
That didn't sound like anger, that sounded like general ridicule. Wasn't somebody laughing in the background on Kirk's side?

And every kid is different. Can't raise them all the same.

I'm not dismissing the son's role in this, I'm holding Kirk to a higher standard given he's the father and the evangelist.
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He's a man first before his religion, he doesn't have the right to lose his temper like everyone else. Even in that bible book people have shown to get angry, even the god of that book.
 
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Chi-town B said:
He's a man first before his religion, he doesn't have the right to lose his temper like everyone else. Even in that bible book people have shown to get angry, even the god of that book.
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He does. But he's supposed to be held to a higher standard based on the position he's put himself in. Me saying what I'm saying is just that.
 
TheNightKing said:
That didn't sound like anger, that sounded like general ridicule. Wasn't somebody laughing in the background on Kirk's side?

And every kid is different. Can't raise them all the same.

I'm not dismissing the son's role in this, I'm holding Kirk to a higher standard given he's the father and the evangelist.
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Let's refrain from using the word "kid". This is a 33yo grown azzz MAN. His son doesn't get the same pass as a teenager or a child.
 
Interesting takes throughout

I agree, that while he will always be Kirk child, he's no longer a child/kid and addressing him as such is insulting
 
Dwayne said:
You’re assuming this was everyday thing for him growing up.

When your siblings turn their back on you, you know you fucked up.
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More times than not that would be the case. When a nice family inheritance is possibly involved you can't say that. Folks ain't always willing to fuck up free money to side with a sibling even though the sibling could be right on this situation.
 
Dwayne said:
You’re assuming this was everyday thing for him growing up.

When your siblings turn their back on you, you know you fucked up.
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I really don’t know shit about their dynamics, I'm just speculating based on that one interaction, much like everyone else.

Shit like that don't just happen all of a sudden though. You really think Kirk be all holy trying to pray with the son for 14 years then just lose it the one moment the son decides to record him?

Yeah right, lol. Kirk been giving that nigga hell for a minute now probably. No pun intended.
 
If Kirk been giving that dude hell and speaking to him in that manner don't you have to come to the conclusion that the son is fucking up and bring that tone out of Kirk.
 
Chi-town B said:
If Kirk been giving that dude hell and speaking to him in that manner don't you have to come to the conclusion that the son is fucking up and bring that tone out of Kirk.
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I wouldn't come to that conclusion. You could also come to the conclusion that Kirk uses his money to try and make the son do things that the son doesn't want to do in terms of career. So the son bucks against that and that makes Kirk fly off the handle and treat and talk to the son a certain way.

We don't know so I'm not forming any conclusion as to why either of them do the shit they do towards each other.
 
Chi-town B said:
If Kirk been giving that dude hell and speaking to him in that manner don't you have to come to the conclusion that the son is fucking up and bring that tone out of Kirk.
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So you saying just because he's the father or the Kirk we all know he'd be the one justified in his actions? He gets qualified immunity?

Him being like that could be the reason the son fucking up. Maybe he's always flown of the handle at his son for every little misdeed so his son feels worthless so he's lived into that mentality.

Again, I don't know, but either thing could be conceivable.
 
And just for transparency, I've had to go off on my 16 year old son over some shit he did that was over the top, but it was calculated and with intent of delivering a very specific message. Other than that one time, I always encourage him so he doesn't define himself or our relationship by that one incident.

Otherwise I don't sugar-coat anything he does, I keep it real, but I don't make him feel "less than". I address the behavior and not him as a person.

What's a son to think when his dad calls him a bitch ass nigga? As tough as people would like to see themselves, that shit would hurt no matter what age you are. And if it happens so much you feel the need to record it. That's tough. And the fact the son even puts himself in that position shows me he wants some sort of relationship, even if toxic.
 
I would never record my parents but my parents would never call me a bitch ass nigga they may say something I did was stupid but never disrespected me like I’m a stranger and that’s it.
 
TheNightKing said:
And just for transparency, I've had to go off on my 16 year old son over some shit he did that was over the top, but it was calculated and with intent of delivering a very specific message. Other than that one time, I always encourage him so he doesn't define himself or our relationship by that one incident.

Otherwise I don't sugar-coat anything he does, I keep it real, but I don't make him feel "less than". I address the behavior and not him as a person.

What's a son to think when his dad calls him a bitch ass nigga? As tough as people would like to see themselves, that shit would hurt no matter what age you are. And if it happens so much you feel the need to record it. That's tough. And the fact the son even puts himself in that position shows me he wants some sort of relationship, even if toxic.
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But bruh...your son is 16. This is 33yo MAN. C'mon man. It's ok to fault his son.
 
TheNightKing said:
First off, I wouldn't speak to my child like that, regardless of age. I'm the elder and I don't lower myself to my child's status.

Secondly, children are a reflection of your parenting. I know kids can be little fuck niggas even with good parents, but the parent's influence is still there. What is he if his son is a bitch ass nigga?

And Kirk is a hypocrite because he supposedly follows the teachings of Christ and the paramount law is love and forgiveness for which there is no statute of limitation. This convo demonstrated neither. And this wasn't the first time he's done this, let's be clear.

Son wasn't right either for recording it, but I hold parents to a higher standard.
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Good point if his son a bitch ass nigga he was raised that way
 
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