ICE Protest/Riot Thread

konceptjones said:
Well, Biden deported more people than Trump while simultaneously allowing more people to cross the border unchecked. Two things can absolutely be true.

And, aside from the one chick that got shot, it is business as usual.



And yet, this happened under Obama and Biden.

What ARE we talking about???
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Obama stopped that policy. So is your position is that it’s ok the bring it back?
 
Inori said:
this has been acknowledged by many of us here multiple times. Fuck all of em. Now what
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Exactly. There's no passes being given or offered for Obama or Biden. Hell til this day Obama's presidency for many is forever tainted for the drone strikes he authorized consistently. @konceptjones You think people scared to say he did something fucked up? It's actually a very popular opinion. So other than acknowledgement what else exactly you looking for before you focus on the present instead of trying to say "well they did it too"?
 
I should've known.
Got damn ap news with the hyperbolic headlines.

No smart posters in abw breaking it down and explaining the difference between judicial and administrative warrants. Just headlines to react

Fakeness
 
BlackRain said:
Exactly. There's no passes being given or offered for Obama or Biden. Hell til this day Obama's presidency for many is forever tainted for the drone strikes he authorized consistently. @konceptjones You think people scared to say he did something fucked up? It's actually a very popular opinion. So other than acknowledgement what else exactly you looking for before you focus on the present instead of trying to say "well they did it too"?
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Yeah, kinda. You're only recently hearing more about what he did and nobody has even brought up the Biden administration's deportation tactics that mirrored his former boss'.

The point here is that none of this is really new, so why are people acting surprised and angered that Trump is going after people here illegally? People care more because it's his administration, but the only thing that has even changed since 2009 is the face in the Oval Office.
 
ICE Agents don’t need a warrant to break into your House
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Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge's warrant, memo says

An Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press reveals that the agency allows immigration officers to forcibly enter homes to make arrests without a judicial warrant.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches.

The memo authorizes ICE officers to use force to enter a residence based solely on a more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone with a final order of removal, a move that advocates say collides with Fourth Amendment protections and upends years of advice given to immigrant communities.

The shift comes as the Trump administration dramatically expands immigration arrests nationwide, deploying thousands of officers under a mass deportation campaign that is already reshaping enforcement tactics in cities such as Minneapolis.


For years, immigrant advocates, legal aid groups and local governments have urged people not to open their doors to immigration agents unless they are shown a warrant signed by a judge. That guidance is rooted in Supreme Court rulings that generally prohibit law enforcement from entering a home without judicial approval. The ICE directive directly undercuts that advice at a time when arrests are accelerating under the administration’s immigration crackdown.
 
konceptjones said:
Yeah, kinda. You're only recently hearing more about what he did and nobody has even brought up the Biden administration's deportation tactics that mirrored his former boss'.

The point here is that none of this is really new, so why are people acting surprised and angered that Trump is going after people here illegally? People care more because it's his administration, but the only thing that has even changed since 2009 is the face in the Oval Office.
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You may need to fix your algorithm if you think people are scared to say the fucked up things Obama did during his presidency because to many it outweighs everything else and it's an increasingly popular opinion that he was not as good of a president as many initially thought. And thats not a new thing either. Shit even now some folks are blaming him for "not speaking out about trump".

And given how the media attacked Obama over something as simple as wearing a tan suit you think it wouldn't have blown up if Obama had ICE operating the exact same way trump is now? Thats a hard sell. But even if you allow for that to be true...should people not call out the bad now because they didn't back then? Because for 1 that's not smart. And 2 you have to consider that a good portion of the people doing the calling out now were children, teens, early 20s or some not even alive when Obama was president. So your pov doesn't even allow for the natural progression of people learning new information over time and applying it to their present pov. You're basically saying "if you weren't upset in 2008 then you can't be now" and thats just stupid.
 
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