How do we break out of our psychological conditioning?

[DOS_patos]

IMO it depends on the child. Some children will grow to despise lies and liars because of all the lies they know their parents told. Some may see that as a way to get over on people and tell lies to anybody who willing to listen.

The child with the truthful parent that could go many ways as well

so how can it be hereditary?

sounds like there may be options.

 

[DMorgan]

This is true.

And people think things like verbalizing a color bias is the only indicator that you think that way. It isnt tho...

One example i know i has to check within myself was realizing im more on guard than i normally am around dudes with darker skinned than lighter. Its a thing that men in urban environments learn, but when i realized i was doing it in those types it made me understand how deep it runs.

Damn that's a new one

 

[DOS_patos]

Colorism as an example

how whether we would admit it or not we attach certain stigmas, behaviors, personalty traits, beauty standards, etc to people based on solely on the hue God blessed them to have

Some of you may scoff at this but its deep seeded and its a real thing embedded in our subconscious

Cycle of poverty is another one....yes there are systems and rules set in place to hold us back...but we were also conditioned to accept sub-par everything....

so much more

are you sure we ....some of us are conditioned to accept sub par for everything?

 

[DMorgan]

so how can it be hereditary?

sounds like there may be options.

Look up the definition of hereditary like I did. I thought like most hereditary only meant passed down through the genes. That is just one definition of the word.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hereditary

 

[JUDAH]

Damn that's a new one

Word. And the crazy thing is when i actually thought about it after realizing i was doing it, it was irrational.

Im a fairly big guy and never been snuck or robbed, but being in environments where it happens, you learn to stay ready for whatever.

But i guess its the constant media bias and learned behavior that crept in to my subconscious.

 

[WhiteFace]

not all black people arrested are guilty of said crime.

alot of these prosecutors use the poor and black people to pad their stats for their own gain and its not about guilt or innocence.
what about the people who cant afford good representation, coercion and/or false charges.
that all on top of black people as watched and guilty of small shit that others get away with.

so thats not exactly true.

but i do agree we need to hold each other accountable

not all black people arrested are guilty of said crime.

alot of these prosecutors use the poor and black people to pad their stats for their own gain and its not about guilt or innocence.
what about the people who cant afford good representation, coercion and/or false charges.
that all on top of black people as watched and guilty of small shit that others get away with.

so thats not exactly true.

but i do agree we need to hold each other accountable

what percentage of that 50% can possibly be false charges and coercion?

Those other niggas did that shit and put themselves in that position. White people owe us nothing. The moment we realized that we will stop being victims.

 

[DMorgan]

Word. And the crazy thing is when i actually thought about it after realizing i was doing it, it was irrational.

Im a fairly big guy and never been snuck or robbed, but being in environments where it happens, you learn to stay ready for whatever.

But i guess its the constant media bias and learned behavior that crept in to my subconscious.

The bold is all it was cause like you said it didn't make sense. Cause living in that environment we all know at some point skin tone ain't got shit to do with who willing to put in some real work.

 

[WhiteFace]

Lol I just thought about that freeway rick Ross interview where he was saying how random crates of assault rifles were being dropped in the hood. Lol so they gave us weapons that we could have used to arm ourselves and form a militia but instead we used them to kill each other. The white man doesn’t really have to do much. Give us a nudge and leave the rest of self destruction to us.

 

[DOS_patos]

Look up the definition of hereditary like I did. I thought like most hereditary only meant passed down through the genes. That is just one definition of the word.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hereditary

i dont want no smoke.
i understood the definition by the context.
but my question still stands.
how can it be hereditary?
it seems more like taught behaviors that were accepted.

kinda like hat you just said....doesnt matter what the parent does because the child will still do what they will do.
and like someone else said......just because you didnt have a father dont mean you cant be a good father.

product of environment......
choices

 

[DOS_patos]

Lol I just thought about that freeway rick Ross interview where he was saying how random crates of assault rifles were being dropped in the hood. Lol so they gave us weapons that we could have used to arm ourselves and form a militia but instead we used them to kill each other. The white man doesn’t really have to do much. Give us a nudge and leave the rest of self destruction to us.

and whats your solution?

 

[JUDAH]

The bold is all it was cause like you said it didn't make sense. Cause living in that environment we all know at some point skin tone ain't got shit to do with who willing to put in some real work.

Exactly.

And i only brought it up because the topic colorism is mainly brought up when discussing preference in attraction to the opposote sex. And ive always been equal opportunity in that realm so i thought i didnt display it until i thought about the topic in totality.

For it to manifest that way and me not even recognize it until honest self reflection shows how many levels it can and has affected us.

 

[WhiteFace]

and whats your solution?

Destroy current black culture. It’s poison
Stop being the Democratic Party bitch
Instill proper values into the youth
Limit black women to 2 children for the time being

 

[DOS_patos]

Exactly.

And i only brought it up because the topic colorism is mainly brought up when discussing preference in attraction to the opposote sex. And ive always been equal opportunity in that realm so i thought i didnt display it until i thought about the topic in totality.

For it to manifest that way and me not even recognize it until honest self reflection shows how many levels it can and has affected us.

but how did it get there.

is it because of the images in the media?
black guy always the worse of the worse and light skin is just not as bad?

 

[DMorgan]

i dont want no smoke.
i understood the definition by the context.
but my question still stands.
how can it be hereditary?
it seems more like taught behaviors that were accepted.

kinda like hat you just said....doesnt matter what the parent does because the child will still do what they will do.
and like someone else said......just because you didnt have a father dont mean you cant be a good father.

product of environment......
choices

I can be hereditary because its passed down. More things are passed down by learning and seeing than it is through genetics.

Just last week I was with 2 of my brothers and all 3 of was laughing at some real fucked up shit we did and saw when we were younger. One of my brothers was like now that we grown with families we see that our normal ain't normal at all but we still ain't bothered by it all.

 

[DMorgan]

Exactly.

And i only brought it up because the topic colorism is mainly brought up when discussing preference in attraction to the opposote sex. And ive always been equal opportunity in that realm so i thought i didnt display it until i thought about the topic in totality.

For it to manifest that way and me not even recognize it until honest self reflection shows how many levels it can and has affected us.

That is true. Honestly took me until I was 19-20 to see the true beauty of very dark skinned women. I thought some were cute but never bad or pretty. After I met one I truly see all the shit I was missing out on. Realized pretty and bad comes in all shades of black.

So I get exactly where you coming from with realizing shit from self reflection or just having some eye opening experience.

 

[DOS_patos]

You’re creating a whole new argument. I never said none of that. I said when you bring up how niggas ain’t shit haven’t we discussed that already?

To combat white supremacy we need to start by getting on code. Easier said than done.

but is staying on code really that hard tho?

i think the problem comes from wanting the rule to bend for who we like and who we dont like...so the code is not solid...just implied.

but a code could have us control our own image more and shun those who want us to look bad.

 

[DOS_patos]

I can be hereditary because its passed down. More things are passed down by learning and seeing than it is through genetics.

Just last week I was with 2 of my brothers and all 3 of was laughing at some real fucked up shit we did and saw when we were younger. One of my brothers was like now that we grown with families we see that our normal ain't normal at all but we still ain't bothered by it all.

i get that....but its also what we allow in.
going back to what you said about the children being completely different that the parent.
as far as what you were just saying.....you know better now so you will do better. you were immature im assuming but now you are more mature and see it was not cool. but you wont allow your kids to do some shit like that...or think its normal.

that in itself breaks a cycle.
but why did you break it?
how did you learn from what you did to say its not normal?
normal compared to what and who?

 

[DMorgan]

but is staying on code really that hard tho?

i think the problem comes from wanting the rule to bend for who we like and who we dont like...so the code is not solid...just implied.

but a code could have us control our own image more and shun those who want us to look bad.

Have you been paying attention?

The codes have always been solid. Its the people who bend, break, crease and fold for whatever they feel. It's always a person or a group of people who put their wants above the group as whole. Once that happens if the group doesn't deal with that person or people shit becomes chaotic and everybody eventually sees a benefit in breaking the code.

 

[5th Letter]

but is staying on code really that hard tho?

i think the problem comes from wanting the rule to bend for who we like and who we dont like...so the code is not solid...just implied.

but a code could have us control our own image more and shun those who want us to look bad.

This conversation is proof that it’s easier said than done...

 

[5th Letter]

Have you been paying attention?

The codes have always been solid. Its the people who bend, break, crease and fold for whatever they feel. It's always a person or a group of people who put their wants above the group as whole. Once that happens if the group doesn't deal with that person or people shit becomes chaotic and everybody eventually sees a benefit in breaking the code.

The black community is far too divided.