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Hip Hop and R&B has never been as wack and corny as it is now

Dapper Dan touched on this a lil bit in his recent interview on breakfast club

Hip hop is a leading cultural platform. Cultural platforms last 30-40yrs

Hip hop as most of us knew it from 80s to early 2000s is dead. Its been morphed/commercialized into the hip-pop it is today
 
Great thread idea and discussion. I'll chime in.
I'm 37 and from New Orleans.
When I was growing up with music, it mostly local music that was played on the radio with the hits from around the country. Which looking back on it was pretty dope at the time considering with how small the area is.
We pretty much supported everything that was South and the West got a lot of love too.
One thing I will say with rap now is that it has lost its identity with each person.
I used to be able to listen to a song and not know anything about them to tell where they were from from the production to slang used in their rhymes.
Now everybody sound like they from everywhere.
This music now as a whole is bad. No substance. Just wanna get high, fuck other dudes bitches and stunt.
Where is the news from that area and what's going on.
As a consumer now I choose to what I wanna listen to and it's mostly old shit with a few new acts sprinkled in.
I turn on the radio now and these mofos can't even hold a hot 16. It's mumbling with ad-libs.
This shit so corny and commercialized.
I'm all for somebody chasing their dream and getting money but at what cost. Only thing I can do is not stream they shit nor but their albums. But the zombies of the world gonna keep giving them videos views and support in those comments.
 
Los216 said:
Do y'all have friends that tried to rap? So back when I was in High School there was a couple of my friends who tried to rap. I'd say 2-3 of them were actually good. Like they had bars, punchlines, could ride a beat, charisma. They never got put on though. One of them got invited to go on tour with Jeezy in 2008 and he ended up doing two shows on the tour. He did 1 song in each show and it was a feature with him and another dude. After the second show he got sent home and that was it. Rap career ended before it started.

So fast forward to last year and 2 more of my friends (we're all the same age btw) decide that they want to be rappers now. Mind you that we all know each other, grew up together and all that shit. These 2 niggas literally started rapping from nothing. Like it was never a thing that they did back in the day. They suck. They're not good. They my friends but their music is trash. These niggas have done more shows and sold more mixtapes, had more downloads than any of my other friends. They even have a lil fans base and I swear to god I'm not being a hater because they will tell you themselves that they're not close to as good as our other friend who was on tour with Jeezy.

These niggas have not had to put in as much effort as our other friend did in 2008 in 2018. I mean they literally decided to start rapping on a whim and we able to have more success and support than people who were better and had to go through a fucking gauntlet just to get put on.
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And all of that is what I was talking about earlier. There's no more "show and prove". Trinidad James has pretty much the same story. Dude started rapping on a whim, slapped a few songs together, uploaded them, had a video to All Gold Everything uploaded to Youtube and WSHH, and BOOM! Overnight sensation. Dude was doing shows, high profile interviews, and eventually got a $2M deal with Def Jam on his plate which came and went with the label dropping him.

Back inna day dude would have NEVER got put on.
 
Los216 said:
Do y'all have friends that tried to rap? So back when I was in High School there was a couple of my friends who tried to rap. I'd say 2-3 of them were actually good. Like they had bars, punchlines, could ride a beat, charisma. They never got put on though. One of them got invited to go on tour with Jeezy in 2008 and he ended up doing two shows on the tour. He did 1 song in each show and it was a feature with him and another dude. After the second show he got sent home and that was it. Rap career ended before it started.

So fast forward to last year and 2 more of my friends (we're all the same age btw) decide that they want to be rappers now. Mind you that we all know each other, grew up together and all that shit. These 2 niggas literally started rapping from nothing. Like it was never a thing that they did back in the day. They suck. They're not good. They my friends but their music is trash. These niggas have done more shows and sold more mixtapes, had more downloads than any of my other friends. They even have a lil fans base and I swear to god I'm not being a hater because they will tell you themselves that they're not close to as good as our other friend who was on tour with Jeezy.

These niggas have not had to put in as much effort as our other friend did in 2008 in 2018. I mean they literally decided to start rapping on a whim and we able to have more success and support than people who were better and had to go through a fucking gauntlet just to get put on.
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@Los216

It's all about social skills and ambition.

Some people are talented but they just don't have social skills and ambition.

Other people are the reverse, the have social skills and ambition, they just don't have any talent.


If you look at who has been hot over the past 20 years, you'll notice that there's a handful of people that aren't really talented, but they still managed to have long lasting careers. They have social skills and ambition.
 
400Degreez said:
Great thread idea and discussion. I'll chime in.
I'm 37 and from New Orleans.
When I was growing up with music, it mostly local music that was played on the radio with the hits from around the country. Which looking back on it was pretty dope at the time considering with how small the area is.
We pretty much supported everything that was South and the West got a lot of love too.
One thing I will say with rap now is that it has lost its identity with each person.
I used to be able to listen to a song and not know anything about them to tell where they were from from the production to slang used in their rhymes.
Now everybody sound like they from everywhere.
This music now as a whole is bad. No substance. Just wanna get high, fuck other dudes bitches and stunt.
Where is the news from that area and what's going on.
As a consumer now I choose to what I wanna listen to and it's mostly old shit with a few new acts sprinkled in.
I turn on the radio now and these mofos can't even hold a hot 16. It's mumbling with ad-libs.
This shit so corny and commercialized.
I'm all for somebody chasing their dream and getting money but at what cost. Only thing I can do is not stream they shit nor but their albums. But the zombies of the world gonna keep giving them videos views and support in those comments.
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Hip hop music should be like a book. When I buy anything from Robert Greene, then I wanna read something that's about empowerment. R.L. Stine shouldn't be trying to write cook or empowerment books lol. Artists need to rap about things that goes on around their area. So the viewer can get a grasp picture on how it is in that area. Juve and BG took me to the Nolia and I never been to New Orleans; Pat took me to North Memphis and I haven't been to Memphis yet lol. Diversity and originality need to be great again. Honorable mention, I hate when artists featured today's mainstream singers on their tracks. It makes the song sound too cookie cutter with no soul. I miss those days when an artist will feature an around-the-way local singer on a track. Example, a couple of songs from the top of my head. I swear songs like this always rode and the around-the-way made the song even better.

 
Worldwide said:
Every era of rap since I was a kid always had its wack and corny rappers.

Some of them were even pushed to the front and sold albums.

My issue is in this new era ALL of the hiphop seems to be wack and corny.

Real talk for the younguns on here, who is the Nas or Rakim or Jay Z of your era?

Even the Lil Wayne's and J. Cole's and Kendrick Lamar's are all in their 30s and from an earlier generation now.

Nas and LL Cool J were teenagers when they came out and made some of their illest music.

Show me the cat that is 16 to 25 or has come out in the last 5 years or so who is putting out quality music.
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YBN Cordae is literally the only new nigga I can think of. Can't use Vince Staples,Earl Sweatshirt because they not new. Shit idk maybe TI son is the other new nigga that's actually spitting forreal forreal???
 
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