"They didn't create anything new. They just put a bunch of things together to make something new". You're blatantly contradicting yourself in the same sentences lol.
FEATURED Fat Joe Calls Out FBAs and Tariq Nasheed
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"They didn't create anything new. They just put a bunch of things together to make something new". You're blatantly contradicting yourself in the same sentences lol.
Knock_Twice
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Look at this shit, this the shit folks are talking
Black Rain nigga just got laid with some vital information and he's still trying interject his weak ass narrative
Now when niggas get on his ass, he's gonna cry wolf and get to po mouthing like he do.
The man and myself just explained to him that black Americans created this shit, the other man went to more details which he black rain can look up himself to gain more knowledge but what he's still trying to do is convince the masses and us that we are wrong
This is why FBAs are pressing down on shit, cuz niggas like him are all over social media saying goofy shit like that
That nigga ain't no different than Fat Joe
Black Rain nigga just got laid with some vital information and he's still trying interject his weak ass narrative
Now when niggas get on his ass, he's gonna cry wolf and get to po mouthing like he do.
The man and myself just explained to him that black Americans created this shit, the other man went to more details which he black rain can look up himself to gain more knowledge but what he's still trying to do is convince the masses and us that we are wrong
This is why FBAs are pressing down on shit, cuz niggas like him are all over social media saying goofy shit like that
That nigga ain't no different than Fat Joe
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Knock_Twice
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Talking about they just put a bunch of things together to make something new
Nigga shut up.
Sound like a dayum 4 year old
If we move by your logic then folks shouldn't get credited for anything because shit was here already
Dummy
Nigga shut up.
Sound like a dayum 4 year old
If we move by your logic then folks shouldn't get credited for anything because shit was here already
Dummy
No, I am not.
I am explaining why saying just because there were non-Black Americans participating in the early Hip Hop music, why their musical culture didn't influence it because they were participating and engaging in Black American musical traditions.
And no, Hip Hop isn't the creation of something new. It's engaging in Black American musical traditions with the use digital technology.
Hip Hop is more a method than a new musical genre.
See, I am not a "Yes and" person.
You are a "Yes and'" person.
When Caribbeans and Latinos say they influenced or co-created Hip Hop, we ask where and how. They didn't create rapping, Jazz or Funk or RnB or Blues, so how can they co-create and influence Hip Hop? Where is it?
Lol, like, there were Samurai of African descent, ain't nobody seriously gonna say, "Black people influenced Samurai culture."
But we got non-Black American non-White people always wanna be at the ground zero of Black American traditions, saying they co-created or influenced something that already existed.
The damn Beatles and the rest of the British Invasion showed Black Americans more respect and they ain't even from America.
Whats funny is I've actually written a 20+ page paper on the history of hip hop as a social movement. So I actually know what I'm talking about specifically in regards to this topic.
You on the other hand out here written fan fiction on how bad Black immigrants had it in the US and creating an entire reality that doesn't even match up with the topic at hand. I never denied Black Americans hand in creating hip hop. I simply said they're not the sole creators or influencers of it from its inception.
The person you think is agreeing with you is actually minimizing the creativity it took from Black Americans to even do what's been done, yet you taking issue with the simple fact that there were multiple hands in the pot to create hip hop. You're not actually giving Black people of any background credit with your pov. You're insulting the hell out of them in a failed attempt to boost your own ego. And all while regurgitating white supremacist rhetoric and imagery
The fact that you don't think hip hop created anything new is a lie. And if that's the foundation of your pov then I'll say the same thing to you...you're insulting the hell out of Black people and minimizing what's been done.
Knock_Twice
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Post it. And let us compare your notes and findings with some other sources and the folks who were actually there.
Post it and let us pick it apart and line it up against other folks who have spoke on the origins of Hip Hop.
Post it since it's yours, go find it nigga and put it up on here
You wrote it, so it's law and it's credible. Many have seen it and agreed with what your findings were..a lot of folks use the information from yours findings to debate who were the creators of hip hop
Post it so we all can compare it with other folks who were actually there when the shit popped off
You made claim to a 20 page paper for a reason, so let us pick it apart and compare your dates and references, folks you interviewed with other sources.
If you can't post it, nigga you could have kept that goofy shit to yourself
Inori
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you got the link to Tariqs documentary so we can compare?
Knock_Twice
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Dude stop whining, the truth is killing your soul so you doing all the victimism as possible
Oh it's white supremacy, breh stop.
The truth is, your folks, non black Americans did not create no dayum Hip Hop, Blues, Gospel, R&B, soul food, the door knob, family reunions, etc.
And that's ok my guy, it's not the end of the world like you're trying to make it to be
Folks should really look at your posting style, I know sneaky ass niggas when I see them.
The shit you doing or trying to do aint cool dude
You on some Fat Joe shit but you trying to hide behind the whole yall just saying what white folks say
No nigga the truth is the truth.
Breh stop that shit. Women and snake ass niggas do the shit you are trying to do.
Knock_Twice
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Inori
NAWF
Knock_Twice
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Follow this dude on social media name Cornbread Mafia
Go to Dwann B YouTube Page, he talks about Hip Hop
Knock_Twice
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I.. dont have a link tho
Lord Jamar talks about it and he's a non black American
That's 3 for free nigga not named Tariq which makes 4 folks you can learn from
But you ain't go do it. Lol
How can Hip Hop create something new when the basis of it is the music of the 70s and 80s?
Hip Hop is a technological and sociological innovation, not a musical innovation. The makers of Hip Hop can't read music. Aren't proficient at playing instruments. Can't sing on key. Even the production techniques are rather simple and rudimentary compared to Techno and other forms of electronic music.
The strength of Hip Hop music is the fact that it's rooted in Funk and Jazz, it's the beat and groove and the swing. It's the soul, it's the 70s Black American music. It's the Blues.
It's not an insult, it's the truth.
Hip Hop is a case study of how technology democratized music making and how digital technology will lead to copying and reinforcing what already was created.
Which is why Hip Hop is the last frontier of popular music. There will be nothing else after it because each generation after Hip Hop, as the original Hip Hop generation has done, which is copy the music of their parents and older relatives. Gen Z and Alpha, literally copying Y2K popular culture. Millennials will most likely be the last generation that attempted to create something novel but ended up copying. Every other generation will openly and brazenly copying because that's how our technology easily allows it which has influenced our cultural production.
As Hip Hop and it's method of music creation has became dominated popular music, we went deeper and deeper into nostalgia and remaking what is already here.
Hip Hop is recursive, self-referential youth culture and music. You can't point to single new thing within the genre of Hip Hop that didn't already exist because that's how the genre itself was conceived.
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Knock_Twice
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Do you even know what it means to be Hip?
Breh you know nothing about FBA culture but the little bit of shit you know now.
You do know black folks were rapping in the late 20s and early 30s
Go back and study the culture of FBAs from the 60s and 70s
Understand their lingo and style my dude.
You focus on music. The music comes from the people. Understand what FBAs were during in those times. You gotta study the whole thing pal.
Not just Kool Herc and his birth place lol
Understand where the kick and high hat came into play, the bass riffs. Under the musical talents of FBAs during those times. The funk
Parliament, James Brown. Johnny Taylor. Otis Redding.
Many more, nigga you gotta dig in the Crates and understand that FBA culture, you know that false goofy ass American culture that you tried to put on top of Black American culture and I told you there's no such thing as American culture. It's FBA culture, yea that culture, you need to study it a bit more, your ppl wasn't outside like that in those times buddy and that's ok.
You gotta dive in deep to get the truth not do some 20 page essay on Kool Herc and say your shit is the truth
Nah playboy. You gotta get with FBAs and see how shit went back then
A poster commented on how I know non black Americans did the shit that I posted in my earlier posts, not all, I got with FBAs. I got FBAs who were outside during those times, stories, books and things were told on how shit was, patterns never change breh and the shit came into my world as a younging, you gotta live it breh to understand it
We all got the same stories
You gotta live it to understand it.
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Royal
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Honestly I think something crazy and beyond our imagination would have to happen for all of the melanated people to come under one accord.
We don't all have the same agenda and let's face it, regardless of your skin tone, humans are hard to get along with
I was re -watching a quiet place 1 and 2 and was like , why the aliens come to earth if they can't swim and certain frequencies kill them... we are easily divided as a species.
Like is there a documented time were mass majority of black folks united
. I am sure there was
I like to believe we were a glorious people. But like all Dynasties and power of reign it was lost to another group.
We don't all have the same agenda and let's face it, regardless of your skin tone, humans are hard to get along with
I was re -watching a quiet place 1 and 2 and was like , why the aliens come to earth if they can't swim and certain frequencies kill them... we are easily divided as a species.
Like is there a documented time were mass majority of black folks united
. I am sure there wasI like to believe we were a glorious people. But like all Dynasties and power of reign it was lost to another group.
Knock_Twice
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Honestly I think something crazy and beyond our imagination would have to happen for all of the melanated people to come under one accord.
We don't all have the same agenda and let's face it, regardless of your skin tone, humans are hard to get along with
I was re -watching a quiet place 1 and 2 and was like , why the aliens come to earth if they can't swim and certain frequencies kill them... we are easily divided as a species.
Like is there a documented time were mass majority of black folks united
I like to believe we were a glorious people. But like all Dynasties and power of reign it was lost to another group.
Hidden Colors series is a good start to finding some of your answers to your questions
Never thought there would be a day where we would get Colombused out of something that is uniquely American and ours.
Like, you can literally look at the sample credits and see where the shit comes from lol.
You don't even know what you're talking about. At no point did I say non Black Americans created hip hop. If you can't even get that basic thing right then just stop. Youre one again showing you dont really comprehend well nor discuss things from an actual grounded pov. You're just once again spouting out things you think are fact as opposed to actual facts. Same shit that had you looking like you didn't know what you were talking about before. I never said anything I said is law. I said there's facts you're blatantly ignoring and misconstruing.
Unless you can flat out point out where I said Black Americans did not create Hip Hop, which I never did, then you may have a point. Until then all you're doing is continuing to show that you may read alot of shit but you don't comprehend it very well outside of your own límited pov.
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