FEATURED Fat Joe Calls Out FBAs and Tariq Nasheed

[Knock_Twice]

Hip = FBAs would say, man that shit is hip.
Yo man that's hip.
Groovy was another term.

Hop = was a dance, let's go to the hop. Going to a dance.

Hiphop became a smart dance, a dope dance as it would be called today.

Rap = Talking to chicks, let me rap to you lady. FBAs men rapping to a chick
I'm about to go put down my rap on this Lil honey.

This was the lingo back in the day that was spoken by FBA. Again we were the only black folks over here in huge numbers before 1965.

Fat Joe and his folks weren't talking like that in no dayum 50s and 60s or early on so how the hell did they create shit when they weren't even in our parties or spots.

Jamaicans weren't talking like this either until they got around FBAs

FBAs had our own lingo, food, style, swag. Other black immigrants adapted later on to the lingo and life style.

No shots, no shade, just the truth.

 

[Knock_Twice]

No adult is going to say Santa Clause is real as far as giving kids presents. You may find a debate about a St Nick or pagan roots or something like that.

I haven’t seen you post in anything that says Kool Herc had no hand in early hip hop. I haven’t seen anything saying he created it by himself.

Look we all know Fat Joe be on some bullshit man and nobody is downplaying the Black American impact on hip hop. The entire world believes we created hip hop.

I just posted something to give you a land scape of the word Hip Hop and Rap

As I stated in one of my earlier posts, you have to study more than just the music. Study the FBA men and women during that
What groups of ppl in huge numbers lived in Harlem, Bronx, BK etc during the 1920s, and in other areas. What was the lingo, how they dressed.
Going back to my earlier posts about the church shoes, this just not my account, I didn't pull the shit outta my ass. Many black Immigrants didn't get into any trouble, the kids and teens back in those early days when that law got passed, the parents knew that they would be sent back to their homeland and they weren't outside like that as I stated.


Most were meek, kept to themselves, had strict fathers, mother was a housewife, tended to the family, didn't know the lingo and again this is not a diss, just how reality was in some areas.

Move on down to the 1930s, who was living where, lingo, laws, style, what was happening. Were there tons of black immigrants in NYC in the 1930s?


Move to the 1940s, who was on the radio, what songs were popping, lingo, dress style, lingo

Break down each decade.
What was the number 1 black immigrant rap rap song in the 60s or 70s etc. R&B song, jazz song over here in the US. What group of ppl dominated the Music charts, sports, movie roles. What was the world like then.
If you created something, then your group of ppl should dominate. You are the creator of such thing, then you should be the best at it.
Show me.

In the 50s and 60s, what your daddy and mama nem were doing, what your grandmother and granddaddy were doing in those times
What was their lingo. How they dressed, who was outside. Etc
Your aunties and their parents

Thats how you understand things in a deeper way. Man i remember growing up and many black immigrants folks came over and they were standoffish
Oh yeah. How so, we use to go to dances, clubs and it was only us there. They would never come outside. They weren't at the rallies or marches. They would locked themselves inside when we went to protest or do sit-ins.
Were there PR out at these marches?? Did they fight for equality with yall??
Who else were having dogs attacking them, water hosed down.
Who were all in the Black Party when it first got kicked off. Who ran with Hrap. Stockley etc. Who was with the Gds back in the day, were there any PRs in the GDs.
Did yall bump any PR rappers? Jamaica rappers etc back in the 60s

Back in those days, black folks had 1 or 2 spots that they would go to in town, dances, etc. It wasn't a bunch of places.
Black folks in those days and even in our day, 80s 90s, 2000s would go to 1 or 2 spots that would be jumping. It was the spot

Patterns never change. Shit usually don't change, only the players/people.

No diss again for the sensitive niggas on here, just reality

 

[Knock_Twice]

@SeaSnake

I'll leave this alone but answer me this, Let's just say we go by what is being said by 2 posters ap and blackrain about Kool Herc being the credit as the founder of Hip Hop.

They are so pressed on standing on that lie, let's just say we let it be truthful for 24hrs.

During that time, give me some hip hop songs by Jamaicans that was hot in the city, or country and hit number 1 during that time.

Name them
List the other Jamaican DJs outside of him that folks during that time fucked with or PR Djs or rappers.
List the rappers in their own country that FBAs fucked with during that time.


It has to be plenty more that caught on to Hip Hop during that time since they created it.

Do the same for PRs. What rappers during that time had folks checking for them in droves

Do the same for Hatians jazz musicians.

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

 

[loud-ninja]

Hip = FBAs would say, man that shit is hip.
Yo man that's hip.
Groovy was another term.

Hop = was a dance, let's go to the hop. Going to a dance.

Hiphop became a smart dance, a dope dance as it would be called today.

Rap = Talking to chicks, let me rap to you lady. FBAs men rapping to a chick
I'm about to go put down my rap on this Lil honey.

This was the lingo back in the day that was spoken by FBA. Again we were the only black folks over here in huge numbers before 1965.

Fat Joe and his folks weren't talking like that in no dayum 50s and 60s or early on so how the hell did they create shit when they weren't even in our parties or spots.

Jamaicans weren't talking like this either until they got around FBAs

FBAs had our own lingo, food, style, swag. Other black immigrants adapted later on to the lingo and life style.

No shots, no shade, just the truth.

Did he say they created it or help contribute to it? I'm not sure what clip people are referring to.

 

[Knock_Twice]

Did he say they created it or help contribute to it? I'm not sure what clip people are referring to.

Many say he created it. He presents it as Kool Herc had a hand in it.

He did not. The shit was already created and developed.

Example, the word Hip was already created and folks were saying it but if I put it on a flyer saying Hip Hop dance, I shouldn't be on some I need my flowers for pushing out the word Hip to the world. No, I gotta to give that shit up to the ppl who created the word Hip.
That's how FBAs get their shit stolen.

Master P took the word Hot Boys and ran with it and at the time, did a whole song and movie wit the word, the world thought he was the one who brought that to existing. P had NO hand in that shit. He just was around in an area where the shit happened to so exist.

But Niggas down here know who the real original Hot Boys are and where that shit came from.

During that time the Hot Boys were on P head about doing that shit. The rappers.

BG, said the nigga is sour for doing that shit in which he was.
Nigga said, why you gotta run with our shit, get your own shit, thats cold, but it's all gravy
That's not your shit.
So why would BG and the rest of them be mad at P?

Same thing with the Kool Herc Shit. You can't run with shit you didn't create.

That's not your shit Kool, you didn't create shit

 

[SeaSnake]

Hip = FBAs would say, man that shit is hip.
Yo man that's hip.
Groovy was another term.

Hop = was a dance, let's go to the hop. Going to a dance.

Hiphop became a smart dance, a dope dance as it would be called today.

Rap = Talking to chicks, let me rap to you lady. FBAs men rapping to a chick
I'm about to go put down my rap on this Lil honey.

This was the lingo back in the day that was spoken by FBA. Again we were the only black folks over here in huge numbers before 1965.

Fat Joe and his folks weren't talking like that in no dayum 50s and 60s or early on so how the hell did they create shit when they weren't even in our parties or spots.

Jamaicans weren't talking like this either until they got around FBAs

FBAs had our own lingo, food, style, swag. Other black immigrants adapted later on to the lingo and life style.

No shots, no shade, just the truth.

Who debated any of that lol

 

[SeaSnake]

Alright man

 

[Knock_Twice]

Alright man

Lol.
To further dive deep into why black immigrants could not come over here to the US.

Black ppl were freed from slavery, the North wanted to have the Southern states release their slaves, the south didn't wanna do that, the north needed workers and buyers because their factories were growing. South said, it's not all problem, we have workers and we can sell our raw materials, which were cotton, sugar, wheat etc. This is why the Civil War happened. The South was on some fuck you for trying to strong us because you up North folks are doing bad with your economy, we good down here.
Abe wanted to save the Union, the south wasn't trying to hear that shit, they wanted their own setup and was doing so. That's why the war happened. They didn't give 2 shits about the slaves etc. Wanted to save the union

FF, black folks are free, 2 million or so of them, now they need jobs, these slaves also were skilled workers, these southern slave owners and folks down south, many of them didn't have the skills.

So what they do, they formed labor unions, told all the factories to only give jobs to the white folks who were apart of these unions. This why we have unions today.
The unions were created to keep black folks, the free slaves from using their skills to get jobs


What does the US do to aid this, they created the 1st immigration law which ushered in other Europeans, and other groups, whites, your criminals, sickly, your dummies, etc to come over to the US

And thats who got the jobs at these factories and other work places

Black immigrants were not allowed to be here because of this.

Segregation was created and Jim Crow laws were established to press the 2 million and so freed black FBAs that were already over here. KKK was created at that time to scare off FBAs and black folks in that time.

Again the shit goes deep to why black immigrants weren't allowed over here and why FBAs fought to bring them over here. Thought they would help us fight these white folks etc

 

[SeaSnake]

Bro you wrote all that for no reason. Nobody is debating that. But you keep saying before 1965 no black people from anywhere but America came here. No Hatians in NO. No Jamaicans.


Again nobody said it was a large number nobody said Jamaicans created hip hop. You keep arguing against point only you making

 

[SneakDZA]

This shit reminds me of how the "me too" movement went from "believe women" to "you said 'believe ALL women'" when people's arguments got flimsy.

Now it's... "Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans were involved in creating Hip Hop" to "you said 'Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans created Hip Hop'".

This shit would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. What even is the end game here? The whole shit sounds like a textbook divide and conquer plot.

We all know Jazz, Country, Blues, Soul, Hip-Hop, Techno, Rock & Roll are all forms of music created by black american people. But I gotta LOL at any of you FBA motherfucks getting a time machine and talking about FBA to those people that founded all that shit and telling them that they're "tethers".

 

[SeaSnake]

FBA movement is some government shit for real. Tariq Nasheed is an agent. They are used to keep black people from participation in any politics at all and not getting anything done.

 

[Knock_Twice]

Bro you wrote all that for no reason. Nobody is debating that. But you keep saying before 1965 no black people from anywhere but America came here. No Hatians in NO. No Jamaicans.


Again nobody said it was a large number nobody said Jamaicans created hip hop. You keep arguing against point only you making

I wrote it for a reason. Nothing I post on here is not for a reason. It's to tell the truth and reality of how things happened. You may not pick it up but someone will read and learn something.

Putting things in its proper place makes one understand reality.
If you don't know history, a nigga can just say anything and folks would believe it. Kool Herc did this or that.

You keep saying nobody said this and nobody said that, nigga you are in a thread where fat Joe said PRs had a hand in creating hip hop it was 50/50. He has said this out loud on public platforms. Thats lying nigga

You had dude in here saying FBAs are telling folks who can be black or not when in fact, none FBAs, some doesn't even claim to be black themselves and would get upset with you or correct you on some, no I'm not black, I'm such and such. Thats not FBAs

It's not even an argument, I don't argue with those who don't know history, let alone know FBA history. I teach or inform.

You sounding dumb saying FBAs are a group, and dude is an agent, you ain't doing nothing but repeating what another non black person or white dude said. You too lazy to even understand what a FBA even means...

If you don't care to understand whats the fuss is all about then move your ass around.

 

[Knock_Twice]

This shit reminds me of how the "me too" movement went from "believe women" to "you said 'believe ALL women'" when people's arguments got flimsy.

Now it's... "Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans were involved in creating Hip Hop" to "you said 'Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans created Hip Hop'".

This shit would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. What even is the end game here? The whole shit sounds like a textbook divide and conquer plot.

We all know Jazz, Country, Blues, Soul, Hip-Hop, Techno, Rock & Roll are all forms of music created by black american people. But I gotta LOL at any of you FBA motherfucks getting a time machine and talking about FBA to those people that founded all that shit and telling them that they're "tethers".

I doubt you even know why the word tether is used non FBAs people.

And you do know tether is a new word, you do know non FBA people have names for FBAs

You're a smart guy. You been knew that. I dont even know why i made those statements. You knew that.

Whats the end game if someone tries to steal something or take claim to something you soley created??

Would it be conquer and divide if a FBA went into an African tribe or into PR and try and lay claim on saying they created their dialect or a tribe ritual or telling the PRs that they FBAs created this and that from their culture?

Shouldn't be any push back on FBAs doing that right??

I know you don't care but for shits and giggles, FBAs should be able to do such right ?

You're not a FBA, let's go into your culture and say we had some hands in what your ancestors did over there in your land.
You don't give a shit about non of this stuff, so that should be good

 

[SeaSnake]

I wrote it for a reason. Nothing I post on here is not for a reason. It's to tell the truth and reality of how things happened. You may not pick it up but someone will read and learn something.

Putting things in its proper place makes one understand reality.
If you don't know history, a nigga can just say anything and folks would believe it. Kool Herc did this or that.

You keep saying nobody said this and nobody said that, nigga you are in a thread where fat Joe said PRs had a hand in creating hip hop it was 50/50. He has said this out loud on public platforms. Thats lying nigga

You had dude in here saying FBAs are telling folks who can be black or not when in fact, none FBAs, some doesn't even claim to be black themselves and would get upset with you or correct you on some, no I'm not black, I'm such and such. Thats not FBAs

It's not even an argument, I don't argue with those who don't know history, let alone know FBA history. I teach or inform.

You sounding dumb saying FBAs are a group, and dude is an agent, you ain't doing nothing but repeating what another non black person or white dude said. You too lazy to even understand what a FBA even means...

If you don't care to understand whats the fuss is all about then move your ass around.

Bro you wrote things that were not debate or in question a simple google history search can tell anybody all of that. Again it was said multiple times that the world sees hip hop as an African American invention. Kool herc is not looked at as the sole founder of hip hop. He is looked at as somebody that was there and helped host a huge party for it. But has Herc said he founded hip hop?

Now let’s address your thoughts on immigrants and the all the dumb shit you said with it. Nobody disagreed that most non European immigrants games after 1965. But acting like there was less than 1000 is crazy. And then the church shoes shit was crazy. New Orleans ain’t the whole world though. It ain’t like you knew about immigrants growing up listening to Hot Boyz.

Nigga I’m literally from Virginia we are the first FBAs. Again Fat Joe opinion is not holding any weight outside of NYC. Tell me what other Puerto Ricans you heard say they created hip hop or even have the debate. This is one kid Puerto Rican dude opinion.

 

[Gray Matter]

Lol.
To further dive deep into why black immigrants could not come over here to the US.

Black ppl were freed from slavery, the North wanted to have the Southern states release their slaves, the south didn't wanna do that, the north needed workers and buyers because their factories were growing. South said, it's not all problem, we have workers and we can sell our raw materials, which were cotton, sugar, wheat etc. This is why the Civil War happened. The South was on some fuck you for trying to strong us because you up North folks are doing bad with your economy, we good down here.
Abe wanted to save the Union, the south wasn't trying to hear that shit, they wanted their own setup and was doing so. That's why the war happened. They didn't give 2 shits about the slaves etc. Wanted to save the union

FF, black folks are free, 2 million or so of them, now they need jobs, these slaves also were skilled workers, these southern slave owners and folks down south, many of them didn't have the skills.

So what they do, they formed labor unions, told all the factories to only give jobs to the white folks who were apart of these unions. This why we have unions today.
The unions were created to keep black folks, the free slaves from using their skills to get jobs


What does the US do to aid this, they created the 1st immigration law which ushered in other Europeans, and other groups, whites, your criminals, sickly, your dummies, etc to come over to the US

And thats who got the jobs at these factories and other work places

Black immigrants were not allowed to be here because of this.

Segregation was created and Jim Crow laws were established to press the 2 million and so freed black FBAs that were already over here. KKK was created at that time to scare off FBAs and black folks in that time.

Again the shit goes deep to why black immigrants weren't allowed over here and why FBAs fought to bring them over here. Thought they would help us fight these white folks etc

Most of this is just wrong. You got to stop spreading misinformation.

I don't have the time to correct all of your errors, but the Reed-Johnson Act was enacted in 1924, and was primarily aimed at Asians. But it also significantly reduced European immigration. So it didn't "usher" in European immigrants. Most came in the last few decades of the 19th century.

And tens of thousands of West Indians, at least, were already there by 1924. Probably a few black Canadians too.

 

[Loch121]

@SeaSnake

I'll leave this alone but answer me this, Let's just say we go by what is being said by 2 posters ap and blackrain about Kool Herc being the credit as the founder of Hip Hop.

They are so pressed on standing on that lie, let's just say we let it be truthful for 24hrs.

During that time, give me some hip hop songs by Jamaicans that was hot in the city, or country and hit number 1 during that time.

Name them
List the other Jamaican DJs outside of him that folks during that time fucked with or PR Djs or rappers.
List the rappers in their own country that FBAs fucked with during that time.


It has to be plenty more that caught on to Hip Hop during that time since they created it.

Do the same for PRs. What rappers during that time had folks checking for them in droves

Do the same for Hatians jazz musicians.

Herc didn’t found hip hop.

I never even heard him claim that.

He said he was copying what the black American DJs were doing in New York at the time

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

 

[Loch121]

Herc is credited as the creator of the break beat but many ppl say a few DJs were doing break beats before him .

He no doubt popularized it or was the most successful