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TheNightKing said:
So what would you think if Biden didn’t visit any black families and only visited Hispanic families and LGBTQ families?

Because the narrative is also that democrats are looking to supplant the black vote with the Latino vote. And that they care more about LGBTQ rights than black rights.

Just playing devil’s advocate. It’s been a while since we’ve been able to have actual discourse in here.
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The question isn't what families should he be visiting only when election time is coming up.

It's what has he done while he hasn't had to rely on campaign strategies to garner support.

Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Talk about policy, not what family u shoving in front of cameras to impress the gullible.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
The question isn't what families should he be visiting only when election time is coming up.

It's what has he done while he hasn't had to rely on campaign strategies to garner support.

Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Talk about policy, not what family u shoving in front of cameras to impress the gullible.
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I agree with your points, but don’t act like people wouldn’t be pissed off if he left black people out of his campaign activities.

All good though, I see your points.
 
TheNightKing said:
I agree with your points, but don’t act like people wouldn’t be pissed off if he left black people out of his campaign activities.

All good though, I see your points.
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It's that he only includes them for campaign activities and nothing else. So he will catch heat whether he throws em in front of a camera or not.
 
Inori said:
the visibility and messaging from the Biden administration overall has been ASS. Even if they happen to be doing better generally compared to the last administration their messaging sucks. That no abortion and fear mongering shit is only gonna take them so far
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Yeah they focused way too much on abortion rights. Basically pandering to the suburban women’s vote.

They also are forgiving a lot of student loans which for me is a welcome pander, but the messaging is so poor it’s not making a measurable difference.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
It's that he only includes them for campaign activities and nothing else. So he will catch heat whether he throws em in front of a camera or not.
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Precisely my point. He’s damned if he does, damned if he don’t. Doing it is a calculated move. It’s par for the course for all politicians. It’s the game they all play so not sure why people are surprised when Biden does it.

Either way, it is nonsense pandering and I don’t like it when anybody does it.
 
TheNightKing said:
Yeah they focused way too much on abortion rights. Basically pandering to the suburban women’s vote.

They also are forgiving a lot of student loans which for me is a welcome pander, but the messaging is so poor it’s not making a measurable difference.
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I mean I cant really blame them cuz the abortion stuff really helped dems win a few elections since Roe v Wade was overturned but I dont know how far that shits gonna go.

Its unacceptable that neither party is talking about how much bread is going overseas while home suffers.

Ukraine and Israel get all the bread and all the support and meanwhile home is still fucked up. Let someone else give them muhfuckas help
 
TheNightKing said:
Precisely my point. He’s damned if he does, damned if he don’t. Doing it is a calculated move. It’s par for the course for all politicians. It’s the game they all play so not sure why people are surprised when Biden does it.

Either way, it is nonsense pandering and I don’t like it when anybody does it.
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The damned if he do/doesn't is his own doing tho. Don't blame the critics for the fault of the candidate. We should be holding them to a higher standard. I always said the way they went in on Trump should be done to every politician.

As for student loan forgiveness I agree with u. But the pandering isn't offensive bc they actually made progress instead of empty promises.
 
Ignore this headline that is becoming a TREND in a major cities

Ignore this black woman's words and keep supporting anti black Democrats because....?

Vote against your people's best interests

Vote for illegals getting our already limited resources


 


The irony is they're pulling this garbage but the black men of abw have shown more dedication than any female poster has. This is what you male minions get for your unconditional loyalty to the democrats. A gender divide. They don't even ACKNOWLEDGE the caping and crash dummying y'all do for them.
 
Big_Ev said:
I agree. with this. I can't speak for everyone, I see that a lot of us are just tired of the fight. To many and I have had this conversation with some people, they say why fight. Nothing is going to change. So they feel that it's just better to do what you can for yourself and your family.
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Exactly. And to take your point further, those types would prefer to fight FOR the bamboozler. They prefer fighting the black people who tell them to fight oppression, because it's easier.

Every beef i have on this website is for this reason. Conditioned black men who fight for things to remain the same because they are good personally, the black collective be damned.

In 169 Pages not 1 abw poster has declared a change of heart about the anti black Democratic Party. Not a post from this thread has been the catalyst for a nigga to say " that's fucked up, we deserve better. I'm done with the Democrats"

That's how I switched up over time, just seeing how they keep neglecting us. I adapted to their behavior.

Most black people refuse to ADAPT

Shooting The Messenger is easier...

Going along with whatever program is easier...
 
Disanthrope said:
Exactly. And to take your point further, those types would prefer to fight FOR the bamboozler. They prefer fighting the black people who tell them to fight oppression, because it's easier.

Every beef i have on this website is for this reason. Conditioned black men who fight for things to remain the same because they are good personally, the black collective be damned.

In 169 Pages not 1 abw poster has declared a change of heart about the anti black Democratic Party. Not a post from this thread has been the catalyst for a nigga to say " that's fucked up, we deserve better. I'm done with the Democrats"

That's how I switched up over time, just seeing how they keep neglecting us. I adapted to their behavior.

Most black people refuse to ADAPT

Shooting The Messenger is easier...

Going along with whatever program is easier...
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I have dealt with the opposite. Not saying you are wrong, but the people I have talked to is more along the lines of fuck all of them.
 
Big_Ev said:
I have dealt with the opposite. Not saying you are wrong, but the people I have talked to is more along the lines of fuck all of them.
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"Fuck all of them" will not be the theme of 2024 tho.

"Keep trump out" will be

A real fuck em all approach from the black community would be monumental. It would be historical like the 2020 protests. That means we abstain from voting until we are guaranteed something like every other group gets. If we sit this thing out we would be calling shots in 2028. That's called having political leverage. Something we never had before.

Its fun to dream
 
Disanthrope said:
"Fuck all of them" will not be the theme of 2024 tho.

"Keep trump out" will be

A real fuck em all approach from the black community would be monumental. It would be historical like the 2020 protests. That means we abstain from voting until we are guaranteed something like every other group gets. If we sit this thing out we would be calling shots in 2028. That's called having political leverage. Something we never had before.

Its fun to dream
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You keep on saying this, and I get your logic. I actually agree with the premise.

I think you're being naive with your perceived end result though. You seem to think that if black people just didn't vote, one party would come rushing to us the next time to give us things to vote for them. I question how much you actually pay attention to politics if you believe that. For example, the Dems have been down with the youth demographic since Obama, but they keep doing shit that turns away younger voters. Right now Biden is down so much with Muslims that he's projected to lose key battleground states, he's not change course to court them. The Dems temporarily tried to blame the loss to Trump on a downtick of voting from black men. In other words, we've already seen an example where they thought us not voting was part of the reason they lost. When Biden came around the next election cycle, did he go out of his way to court black men? No. Not only did he not do that, but he put Kamala Harris on his ticket, someone who had a reputation of being anti-black male in the way she did her job.

It's all well and good to tell black people to stop supporting politicians that won't do anything for us, but you got to stop acting like that strategy is some foolproof plan that will guarantee us leverage. It's not. Black people make up < 13% of the people in this country. We've been eclipsed by Latinos quite a bit. There's a good chance that if black people refuse to be the Democratic Party's tool, they'll just find another one. That's the reality of our shitty political system, and one that you and others never want to acknowledge.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
You keep on saying this, and I get your logic. I actually agree with the premise.

I think you're being naive with your perceived end result though. You seem to think that if black people just didn't vote, one party would come rushing to us the next time to give us things to vote for them. I question how much you actually pay attention to politics if you believe that. For example, the Dems have been down with the youth demographic since Obama, but they keep doing shit that turns away younger voters. Right now Biden is down so much with Muslims that he's projected to lose key battleground states, he's not change course to court them. The Dems temporarily tried to blame the loss to Trump on a downtick of voting from black men. In other words, we've already seen an example where they thought us not voting was part of the reason they lost. When Biden came around the next election cycle, did he go out of his way to court black men? No. Not only did he not do that, but he put Kamala Harris on his ticket, someone who had a reputation of being anti-black male in the way she did her job.

It's all well and good to tell black people to stop supporting politicians that won't do anything for us, but you got to stop acting like that strategy is some foolproof plan that will guarantee us leverage. It's not. Black people make up < 13% of the people in this country. We've been eclipsed by Latinos quite a bit. There's a good chance that if black people refuse to be the Democratic Party's tool, they'll just find another one. That's the reality of our shitty political system, and one that you and others never want to acknowledge.
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Agree with all of this. The strategy, while well intentioned, is a risky one. If we don’t vote for either side and they supplant us with another demographic, it’s a wrap. At that point it will be confirmed we’re not necessary and our needs will go even more unseen than they already are.

On the flip side though, I guess people would argue our needs are wholly unseen now so what’s the difference? Then we’re left where we are now, voting for whichever side fucks us over the least.
 
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