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Better Movie: Logan vs Joker

Better Movie: Logan vs Joker

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I still maintain my original opinion on the movie...

You wanna take a serious/darker approach to the character the joker....

I'm all for that.....

I just prefer that they actually study the character and his philosophy.... Figure out how his mindset doesn't fit into society norms and his frustration with that.... Highlight him trying to make sense of the world and how one bad day can ruin it.... The killing joke provided a great canvas to work with ...

I don't care if it's different... Just authentic..

This wasn't that... It was like they thought...

Okay, he's a crazy clown guy who kills people... Let's make a movie where a crazy clown guy loses it and kills people... Paying 0 attention at all to the personality of the name they're using ..

It's beyond insulting....

I compared it to Michelle Pfifer cat woman. If I have 0 knowledge of Catwoman and Selina Kyle...I can admit it was a cool charismatic performance... Kinda like this joker was a cool performance...

But Selina Kyle is a world class career catburglar who lived in the wind... Not an office mouse who fell out a window and got licked back to life by radioactive mutant cats that gave her super powers or some dumb shit... It was silly.

But it's horribly inaccurate... This joker was no different. Yeah people loved the performance.... But as a fan of the character....I don't know what the fuck I watched, but it wasn't Joker
 
If Mark Hamil isn't involved, I generally dismiss any other variations of the Joker.
But Heath Ledger by far is the best live adaption of the character I've seen.
The Joker trailers gave me Taxi, Falling Down, American History X vibes.
I stay away from the "fed up white man" genre.
Also, a Joker bio pic is not the Joker story I want to see.

But Logan is just a damn good movie.
Especially for one about comic book character.
 
King Freeman said:
Mental illness wasn't addressed. If you think that was a realistic take it's a bigger issue at hand. It's plenty of people out here dealing with mental illnesses. They don't murder people because they've had a rough go. Celebrating a movie that empathizes with that while trying to cover it up in Jokers make up is some bullshit. And offensive on multiple levels.
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Bruh, u got time.

I wasnt even gone respond to dude.

Every community is dealing with mental health issues. Thats common knowledge. Plus this a comic book movie, sure i respect art in all forms. But i aint lookin to joker for deep social issues etc.

Sadly blk ppl dont have the luxury of having mental illness in the white mans world. They dont view us a humans or equals.
 
Sion said:
Alright I'll take the bait. Originally I didn't like it because I wanted a fantasy Joker not a "real life joker" if you catch my drift. I had to see it a second time to respect it and pick up on references and make certain connections.

The director said this was gonna be a loose adaptation and spin on the Joker's origins (hence the name and them refusing a sequel). He wanted to be as closely aligned to reality as possible. Also I have to completely disagree and I feel that most people are looking at it with a closed mind and dont see the cultural references Joker directly alludes to. There is a war between the rich and poor, there is discrimination and inequality, there is an internal conflict to find who and why is he is, there are anecdotes to the Hong Kong riots, there is a narrative that the pressures of society do come crashing down on a character that is ill equiped to understand what is going on and there is a narrative that asks well what is mental illness and how can we understand it ? Do we try or do we ignore it ? The direction of the Joker was immaculate and a cinematic masterpiece for that year. I felt it was a terrific ode to that old Italian joke/tragedy Pagliacci (you could also reference this to Watchmen in the beginning of the film where Joker is crying), it is a tragedy ultimately and lets us know we're in for a bumpy ride. It wasn't supposed to feel like a comic book movie and I like that because I think a lot of the more serious issues would have been overlooked. However it does pay homage in its own way.


Btw Michelle Pfeiffer's catwoman is a bad comparison because her character has a more subjective theme from Tim Burton and has to build off of an existing relationship between Batman and the villains around her. Joker (or Joaquin Phoenix) didn't have that. He was every bit an anti hero. Joker is meant to be unsettling and a dark movie because it's supposed to be somewhat of an imitation of people's everyday life and the struggles or harshness they face. We still aren't even sure if the ending was real or a figment of his imagination of what he wanted to see.


Them niggas won an academy award and other directors cosigned as well. That has to also count for something.

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Sion, I didn't get any of this from that movie brah

I feel like there is a film that actually does what you're talking about but it's definitely not joker
 
Sion said:
Because you probably weren't aware of those things going in. You should read some of the reviews from veteran film reviewers or read their wiki to see the responses regarding themes and analysis and social impact throughout. Might broaden your perspective. If there were more clips of the film online I could show you all of the exact references and easter eggs.

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Joker (2019 film) - Wikipedia

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I'm not gonna argue with what was the better film, because that's subjective but objectively Joker is more culturally relevant than Logan. Personally I like when films reference things that are current in society and push you to think from a different perspective.
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Fam lol

I'm well aware of what the movie attempted to do. It just fell flat on its face and didn't do any of the things you described to that level of detail
 
Logan vs joker

“I can’t speak on which was the better movie”

“Joker was more culturally relevant”

“mental health, society, ah ahh ahh”

:hahaha:

Great performance in a slightly above average somewhat disappointing movie
 
this another gripe i have with Sion's review

Gotham, since i can remember has always been about the haves and have nots. Hell, even Burton's two Batman films showed at least that much.

Joker did nothing to expound upon that. You know why? B/c its secondary to the rest of the dynamic b/t Bruce Wayne, his dealing with his parents deaths, and his response to crime in the city.
 
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