Best RnB Group Outta These 3?

[Knock_Twice]

sound of group in harmony>>>>vocal abilities of one member

How would one explain the 99% solo career success rate of the vocal lead singer of the group once they leave the group and do them?

Sisqo great solo

Slim from 112 great solo career

MJ from Jackson 5 amazing sole career

What the rest of the members did.

It's about 3 to 4 groups (that 1%) where all of the remaining members of a group had successful careers music wise after the groups broke up.

 

[AP3.0]

I don't even know what knock is talking about at this point.

How did we get here

 

[Knock_Twice]

I just don't see how NE as a collective, that has music spanning over several decades is considered 2nd tier to a group that broke up at the height of it's popularity.

And Goldie calling shit bubble gum just makes me feel a type of way. What in the hell are a group of teenagers supposed to talk about? You really giving them shit for cool it now? Like really?

As they grew, so did their content and image. And yes, cool it now still gets spin. Who is playing that anyway when trying to woo a female? Would you play "in my bed" if you're trying to get some skins? No, the song is about infidelity.
This convo is all over the place. First it was, DH has more hits, then it changed to they make better songs. What is it?

Essence fest

NE was on the main stage

Dru Hill in the super lounge (seen both)

Niggas still talk about that NE show and you know how it be at Essence.

 

[Goldie]

I just don't see how NE as a collective, that has music spanning over several decades is considered 2nd tier to a group that broke up at the height of it's popularity.

And Goldie calling shit bubble gum just makes me feel a type of way. What in the hell are a group of teenagers supposed to talk about? You really giving them shit for cool it now? Like really?

As they grew, so did their content and image. And yes, cool it now still gets spin. Who is playing that anyway when trying to woo a female? Would you play "in my bed" if you're trying to get some skins? No, the song is about infidelity.
This convo is all over the place. First it was, DH has more hits, then it changed to they make better songs. What is it?

Aight, let me kill this bullshit of an argument.


Several decades? We're talking about groups. Nobody is talkin about solo careers. So N.E surviving for decades? In what world did that happen in? Stop making up shit. N.E as a group was not dominating for that long, u gotta stop.


U can feel how you want about the bubblegum shit all u want, doesn't change the fact that it was bubblegum music. So trying to compare that to real rnb, that doesn't sound like cookie cutter trash in 2018 is ridiculous.

First jodeci album, teenagers, first nas album, teenager, tlc, teenagers, see where im going? Again, If u wanna shimmy to that cool it down shit, more power to you, but foh with that shit.


U said their content grew with time, then again... here i am, saying, let me hear the shit. You're making alott of excuses, without dropping this so called greatness of music you're trying so hard to defend.

 

[Knock_Twice]

I don't even know what knock is talking about at this point.

How did we get here

You may have to go and re-read, maybe not.

I asked who were the better individual singers outta the 3 groups and I name the attributes that you have to have to be considered a good singer (IMO), and just asked when comparing the singers, the lead singers, who is the better singer, using those attributes that qualifies you to be a great singer.

Not sure how you don't understand that but whatever

 

[Duwop]

How would one explain the 99% solo career success rate of the vocal lead singer of the group once they leave the group and do them?

cuz they needed the vehicle of the group to propel tham and highlight their voice.

and most of their career has songs that could have been group songs, hence the high quality of back up singers.....

anthony hamilton started off as d'angelo's back up singer.....

if u get on your googles, and figure out what songs he recorded back ups on you'd have a semi argument, that those were group songs hamilton was aprt of....

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[Revolver Ocelot]

Several decades? We're talking about groups. Nobody is talkin about solo careers. So N.E surviving for decades? In what world did that happen in? Stop making up shit. N.E as a group was not dominating for that long, u gotta stop.

NE stay killing the BET Awards since it been around. And now you gonna act like they didn't a hugely successful biopic this year.

First jodeci album, teenagers, first nas album, teenager, tlc, teenagers, see where im going? Again, If u wanna shimmy to that cool it down shit, more power to you, but foh with that shit.

Da fuck are you talking bout ALL them was in their 20's when their first albums dropped.

 

[Goldie]

NE stay killing the BET Awards since it been around. And now you gonna act like they didn't a hugely successful biopic this year.




Da fuck are you talking bout ALL them was in their 20's when their first albums dropped.

TlC were in their 20s? WOrd? lol ok fam


How about this, J5 were even younger pre teens and had shit that still hit today and weren't bubble gum







Hol up , wait wait wait, so they've been dominating the game cuz they were at the BET Awards?

 

[Goldie]

This nigga said Nas was in his 20s when he made Illmatic, u can't make this stuff up b lmaooooooooooo

 

[Goldie]

You were right about tlc tho, they were 20. However there were many teenager artists who didn't make cookie cutter shit

 

[AP3.0]

Aight, let me kill this bullshit of an argument.


Several decades? We're talking about groups. Nobody is talkin about solo careers. So N.E surviving for decades? In what world did that happen in? Stop making up shit. N.E as a group was not dominating for that long, u gotta stop.


U can feel how you want about the bubblegum shit all u want, doesn't change the fact that it was bubblegum music. So trying to compare that to real rnb, that doesn't sound like cookie cutter trash in 2018 is ridiculous.

First jodeci album, teenagers, first nas album, teenager, tlc, teenagers, see where im going? Again, If u wanna shimmy to that cool it down shit, more power to you, but foh with that shit.


U said their content grew with time, then again... here i am, saying, let me hear the shit. You're making alott of excuses, without dropping this so called greatness of music you're trying so hard to defend.

You pick the weirdest points to try and argue

That's why no one can ever tell when your serious vs trolling

You live in a world of absolutes,I don't. You seem to think that somehow, you can't make a song like "cool it now" and still be considered "real rnb". So, they start off making "cool it now" type of records, then by the time of the, what "home again" album, they have "still in love", that's not growth?

You live on a hill with extreme ends of the spectrum. Puff is on record saying he wasn't trying to have jodeci to look like boyz 2 men, bivens is on record saying he didn't want b2m looking like jodeci.

Does "Motown Philly" negate the powerful lyrics of on bended knee? No.

Does "thong song" negate the lyrics of "incomplete"? No

But you appear to think an artist can only be one way and they have to be that way all the time

 

[AP3.0]

Wtf does cookie cutter even mean in this discussion?

 

[Goldie]

You pick the weirdest points to try and argue

That's why no one can ever tell when your serious vs trolling

You live in a world of absolutes,I don't. You seem to think that somehow, you can't make a song like "cool it now" and still be considered "real rnb". So, they start off making "cool it now" type of records, then by the time of the, what "home again" album, they have "still in love", that's not growth?

You live on a hill with extreme ends of the spectrum. Puff is on record saying he wasn't trying to have jodeci to look like boyz 2 men, bivens is on record saying he didn't want b2m looking like jodeci.

Does "Motown Philly" negate the powerful lyrics of on bended knee? No.

Does "thong song" negate the lyrics of "incomplete"? No

But you appear to think an artist can only be one way and they have to be that way all the time

Those songs you named weren't bubble gum. Motown Philly was New Jack Swing. See the problem with debating me about music is, I know my shit, so I'm not gonna let ridiculous shit like "NE birthed rnb male groups" or "cool it now" is real rnb when u can clearly look it up and see it's under the genre "bubblegum pop" lol DOn't get mad at me for being knowledgeable. It's not me taking shots, it's me stating facts.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

TlC were in their 20s? WOrd? lol ok fam

On the TLC Tip (1992)

T-Boz born 1970 -22
Left Eye born 1971 - 21
Chilli born 1971 - 21

This nigga said Nas was in his 20s when he made Illmatic, u can't make this stuff up b lmaooooooooooo

Illmatic (1994)

Nas born 1973 - 21

 

[BDP™️]

Aight, let me kill this bullshit of an argument.


Several decades? We're talking about groups. Nobody is talkin about solo careers. So N.E surviving for decades? In what world did that happen in? Stop making up shit. N.E as a group was not dominating for that long, u gotta stop.


U can feel how you want about the bubblegum shit all u want, doesn't change the fact that it was bubblegum music. So trying to compare that to real rnb, that doesn't sound like cookie cutter trash in 2018 is ridiculous.

First jodeci album, teenagers, first nas album, teenager, tlc, teenagers, see where im going? Again, If u wanna shimmy to that cool it down shit, more power to you, but foh with that shit.


U said their content grew with time, then again... here i am, saying, let me hear the shit. You're making alott of excuses, without dropping this so called greatness of music you're trying so hard to defend.

https://www.riaa.com/?s=new+edition

Candy Girl - 1983
New Edition - 84
All For Love - 85
Under The Blue Moon - 86
Heartbreak - 88
Home Again - 96
One Love - 2004

From 83 - 88 - 5 Straight Gold and Plat albums

then came back in 96 and dropped another Platinum album

only dud sales wise was One Love in 04 with Puff...

so yeah...as a group they ran the 80s

did they thing solo...then came back mid 90s and dropped another banger

put some respek on NE name bruh...

 

[Goldie]

On the TLC Tip (1992)

T-Boz born 1970 -22
Left Eye born 1971 - 21
Chilli born 1971 - 21



Illmatic (1994)

Nas born 1973 - 21

I already said you were right about tlc, illmatic was made before 94.

 

[Goldie]

https://www.riaa.com/?s=new+edition

Candy Girl - 1983
New Edition - 84
All For Love - 85
Under The Blue Moon - 86
Heartbreak - 88
Home Again - 96
One Love - 2004

From 83 - 88 - 5 Straight Gold and Plat albums

then came back in 96 and dropped another Platinum album

only dud sales wise was One Love in 04 with Puff...

so yeah...as a group they ran the 80s

did they thing solo...then came back mid 90s and dropped another banger

put some respek on NE name bruh...

Does 2 = several?

 

[AP3.0]

So new Jack can't be considered bubble gum?

Again I ask, what is bubble gum to you? Pop?

Let me rephrase, a new Jack song can't be considered bubble gum?

 

[Goldie]

So new Jack can't be considered bubble gum?

Again I ask, what is bubble gum to you? Pop?

Let me rephrase, a new Jack song can't be considered bubble gum?

lol i didn't create the term. It's music that is targeted to pre-teens.

 

[AP3.0]

And saying a lot of groups that came after NE were influenced by NE ain't the same as NE birthed RnB groups.