2025 NBA Offseason Thread

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MrBeef said:
Cam Thomas is going into his 5th season..
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My point still remains

But if you wanna get specific, I think it's still too early to tell.

The microwave culture exists even in basketball. Not all situations are created equal. Every draft pick in the lottery or the first round shouldn't have the same expectation, especially when you factor in where they were drafted and the teams construction at the time they were drafted

After the rookie contract is a better time to assess where they need to be in their career at that point
 
southsil4lil said:
Markkanen to the Spurs still makes a ton of sense to me

I think the Olynyk/Barnes expiring plus Castle gets you there money wise, maybe a little short...throw in reasonable draft compensation and I dont see why that doesnt work for both teams
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I can’t imagine ainge taking that for Lauri to be honest
 
AP3.0 said:
My point still remains

But if you wanna get specific, I think it's still too early to tell.

The microwave culture exists even in basketball. Not all situations are created equal. Every draft pick in the lottery or the first round shouldn't have the same expectation, especially when you factor in where they were drafted and the teams construction at the time they were drafted

After the rookie contract is a better time to assess where they need to be in their career at that point
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Bro just name a player drafted these past 3 years who you think would benefit from being on a diff team due to their current situation possibly stifling their development

Stop being a headass nigga lmao
 
MrBeef said:
Bro just name a player drafted these past 3 years who you think would benefit from being on a diff team due to their current situation possibly stifling their development

Stop being a headass nigga lmao
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But I'm not cause there are too many variables to consider

You acting like fat boy and em trying to have these discussions too prematurely
 
AP3.0 said:
But I'm not cause there are too many variables to consider

You acting like fat boy and em trying to have these discussions too prematurely
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AP3.0 said:
Hmmm

Serious question

Why do y'all insist on trying to evaluate someone based on how much they make

Y'all will never, and I mean never make this make sense. You are worth what the agent can negotiate on your behalf.

There are teams that are going to "overpay", there are teams that are going to "get great value" for the same or similar production.

My annoyance comes from y'all trying to treat all 30 teams equally which is the issue. Small market teams tend to overpay while bigger market teams can get get "appropriate" value.

None of us own teams so to discuss this for pages is just odd because y'all are smart enough to know this still yet find the time to try and prop up certain teams for "properly" paying talent while criticizing teams who "overpay" for equivalent production.

I do appreciate a certain level of nuance to have certain discussions but y'all are dead set on some extremes. Why does any of this matter when the rules of the cba determine that a team has to spend a floor amount?

Maybe I'm alone in this and I'm ok with this. But just like y'all can discuss that side of it, I'm within my right to push back on y'all when y'all do this.
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AP3.0 said:
For the record @southsil4lil , I fw you heavy fam

But even with that being said, any comments I make that appear on opposition of yours shouldn't be viewed as I don't appreciate your contributions in here
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Its all love fam, I dont take anything on here personal

But why do you feel the need to push back on basketball conversations being had in the middle of the off season?

Not a even a few sentences in you say "Y'all will never, and I mean never make this make sense".........so Im not going to waste my time explaining why some people find these conversations intriguing and necessary

Yall come in here crying everyday

Why are yall talking about redrafts?
Why are yall taking about the remaining 4 restricted free agents?
Why are yall talking about contracts?


If you aren't interested in that part of team building when it comes to contracts, the cap, cba ect cool...why not scroll past it or start a conversation about something that interests you?
 
MrBeef said:
I can’t imagine ainge taking that for Lauri to be honest
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Even with draft capital?

I just dont see who else can put a better offer where it makes sense for that team

Castle, Bailey, Kessler, Sensabaugh...a top 3 pick in this draft (hopefully not)

You can start actually seeing something to build around
 
southsil4lil said:
Its all love fam, I dont take anything on here personal

But why do you feel the need to push back on basketball conversations being had in the middle of the off season?

Not a even a few sentences in you say "Y'all will never, and I mean never make this make sense".........so Im not going to waste my time explaining why some people find these conversations intriguing and necessary

Yall come in here crying everyday

Why are yall talking about redrafts?
Why are yall taking about the remaining 4 restricted free agents?
Why are yall talking about contracts?


If you aren't interested in that part of team building when it comes to contracts, the cap, cba ect cool...why not scroll past it or start a conversation about something that interests you?
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A couple of things

I literally read every single post even when I'm a day or two behind so let's start there

I'm not pulling anything out of thin air. My main gripe is us having conversations about value is irrelevant cause it won't change what those teams paid and what the player got. But there is a bit of irony also.

I guess I'm always living in the moment. I couldn't care less about a draft pick a decade from now so no need in investing mental bandwidth about a potential player who's currently in the 4th grade. I don't get caught in all that because it's a crap shoot and I don't put too much stock into it cause not all teams are created equal. I'ma take each year as it's own within context and go from there.

Yes, the team I root for has underperformed by a ton of metrics. Ok, now what?? This is who they have and they are still gonna trout out a team opening night. I'ma either watch or I'm not. I choose to watch when I can cause of my high school ref obligations and my personal life. I sincerely appreciate some of the discussions here (primarily driven by you and beta) surrounding team future flexibility or lack of it. I think that's fair but at some point, it becomes a bit much, especially in the off season when there really isn't much to discuss outside of transactions and aggregated bullshit from wack ass accounts.

For me personally, I'm trying to find balance. That's not a criticism of you and beta per se but an acknowledgement of maybe how my interest has faded cause at least for now, the team I root for seems to be on some other shit.

Been trying to find a B team to root for for a min but that also requires time to research them which I don't have an abundance of these days which is definitely a personal issue for myself

BUT, I still feel I can speak on these conversations that seem to go on for days and days with no real end in sight. I feel like I can give my opinion and it not be perceived as, "close the thread" or "stop complaining" all within the context of the basketball talk. I guess I just wanna see a lil more diversity but I agree I have to also play a role in this.

I'm on vacay right now but I'm gearing up to start a series when I get home and I hope you can support your brother when I do
 
AP3.0 said:
My point still remains

But if you wanna get specific, I think it's still too early to tell.

The microwave culture exists even in basketball. Not all situations are created equal. Every draft pick in the lottery or the first round shouldn't have the same expectation, especially when you factor in where they were drafted and the teams construction at the time they were drafted

After the rookie contract is a better time to assess where they need to be in their career at that point
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I understand and agree somewhat about letting some of these players actually play out or get to the last season of their rookie contract before judging them fully. On the other hand some of these players are easy to see they are or aren’t gonna pan out no matter where they will end up. . 😂

Some folks love to wheel and deal, while others like to hold their cards close to their vest
 
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southsil4lil said:
Even with draft capital?

I just dont see who else can put a better offer where it makes sense for that team

Castle, Bailey, Kessler, Sensabaugh...a top 3 pick in this draft (hopefully not)

You can start actually seeing something to build around
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Lauri in theory is a great fit on the Spurs roster.

That contract and injury history is UGLY
 
#1hiphopjunki3 said:
I understand and agree somewhat about letting some of these players actually play out or get to the last season of their rookie contract before judging them fully. On the other hand some of these players are easy to see they are or aren’t gonna pan out no matter where they will end up. . 😂

Some folks love to wheel and deal, while others like to hard their cards close to their vest
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And that's the thing

There is no "right" approach imo. There is no exact science to this shit. OKC has done well for themselves and should be applauded for their ability to win the title with mostly players they've actually drafted sans SGA but even with him, they viewed him as a piece and had no issue asking the clippers for him when they traded PG for him.

This simply isn't going to be every teams story
 
AP3.0 said:
A couple of things

I literally read every single post even when I'm a day or two behind so let's start there

I'm not pulling anything out of thin air. My main gripe is us having conversations about value is irrelevant cause it won't change what those teams paid and what the player got. But there is a bit of irony also.

I guess I'm always living in the moment. I couldn't care less about a draft pick a decade from now so no need in investing mental bandwidth about a potential player who's currently in the 4th grade. I don't get caught in all that because it's a crap shoot and I don't put too much stock into it cause not all teams are created equal. I'ma take each year as it's own within context and go from there.

Yes, the team I root for has underperformed by a ton of metrics. Ok, now what?? This is who they have and they are still gonna trout out a team opening night. I'ma either watch or I'm not. I choose to watch when I can cause of my high school ref obligations and my personal life. I sincerely appreciate some of the discussions here (primarily driven by you and beta) surrounding team future flexibility or lack of it. I think that's fair but at some point, it becomes a bit much, especially in the off season when there really isn't much to discuss outside of transactions and aggregated bullshit from wack ass accounts.

For me personally, I'm trying to find balance. That's not a criticism of you and beta per se but an acknowledgement of maybe how my interest has faded cause at least for now, the team I root for seems to be on some other shit.

Been trying to find a B team to root for for a min but that also requires time to research them which I don't have an abundance of these days which is definitely a personal issue for myself

BUT, I still feel I can speak on these conversations that seem to go on for days and days with no real end in sight. I feel like I can give my opinion and it not be perceived as, "close the thread" or "stop complaining" all within the context of the basketball talk. I guess I just wanna see a lil more diversity but I agree I have to also play a role in this.

I'm on vacay right now but I'm gearing up to start a series when I get home and I hope you can support your brother when I do
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No disrespect bro but I come in here to talk basketball not explain why Im talking about basketball

If you dont like what Im talking about or what Im discussing put me on ignore or scroll past it and create your own conversation and engage with other posters or wait until something is being discussed that you want to talk about

This is the definition of making somerhing out of nothing
 
southsil4lil said:
No disrespect bro but I come in here to talk basketball not explain why Im talking about basketball

If you dont like what Im talking about or what Im discussing put me on ignore or scroll past it and create your own conversation and engage with other posters or wait until something is being discussed that you want to talk about

This is the definition of making somerhing out of nothing
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Nah
I'm not doing that

If there are 10 topics that are discussed and I'm with you on 9/10 and decide to speak on the one for whatever reason... It's not to the point where I'm saying you shouldn't talk about it

And me speaking on the 1 topic out of 10 still shouldn't warrant the "put me on ignore" response cause then I would miss the other 9.

I think we are talking past each other on this one cause I legitimately appreciate practically every other topic you've either presented or responded to. I don't want that to get lost
 
southsil4lil said:
Even with draft capital?

I just dont see who else can put a better offer where it makes sense for that team

Castle, Bailey, Kessler, Sensabaugh...a top 3 pick in this draft (hopefully not)

You can start actually seeing something to build around
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I still don’t see it

Only because Ainge has been holding him for so long

Now Olynyk, Barnes on a useless expiring for a team like Utah and castle when George and collier are already on the roster as non shooters?

What’s the draft capital? 2 first rounders when the spurs should be good?

Ehh you could be right but I don’t see it at all

I’d rather trade Lauri to the suns than the spurs
 
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