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TheNightKing said:
You’re right, elections result in what the US deserves and not what it needs.

However, the lesson would only be worth it for black people if the message was received. The message wasn’t give black people something for their vote, it was give Latinos something for their vote.

I’ve yet to see anyone that was hoping for this give their views on how this helps black people.
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Native Born Black Americans are done in the USA. Our political vision being the guiding light for American politics on the left and for the stupid POC coalition is done. Nobody cares. Politics is about power and leverage and we squandered it.

We squandered the political moment of the 1960s and gave up after the assassinations of multiple leaders by believing political leadership is the result of charisma instead of organization, vision and winning.

We did absolutely nothing throughout the 80s, 90s, 2000s and 2010s. We went around saying America is post-racial after Obama and foolishly believed we are in a multi-racial coalition. What we really were was mules for other groups to piggy back off of.

We did not understand that Barack Obama came from a White mother and a Kenyan father and was raised in well off White family and he was nothing like us. He was something new. He embodied the type of leader that Democrats want. Cosmopolitan, well-educated, well-off and transient. But no, we didn't read the room.

Native Born Black American believing that politics comes down to the right beliefs and voting and that you can make up a multi-generational wealth gap, income inequality, health inequality through electoral politics not through movement politics is why we are here.

We don't have wealth, we don't have the numbers and we don't have political and social capital.

Yeah, I am not about people being helped. I don't care about help. I care about winning and we don't want to win. We don't want the responsibility of having a legacy and having to leave something worth our children and children's children dying for.

The job was never done. We don't have wealth in the wealthiest country in the world. We don't have power in the most powerful country in the world. You can't survive in this country without wealth and power. Democracy is about competing against various interest groups and you can't compete if you don't have the money to buy into the system.

The lesson is worth it for native-born Black Americans that are willing to ridicule and divorce themselves from the last 50 years of straight up incompetence and arrogance of a people that squandered a legacy of resistance and overcoming to do fuck all for generations.

You evolve or you die. These conditions will either inspire a new generation of movement politics or it will be the final nail in the coffin for creating a politics around the wealth gap and closing it.
 
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ZMaKEa said:
Native Born Black Americans are done in the USA. Our political vision being the guiding light for American politics on the left and for the stupid POC coalition is done. Nobody cares. Politics is about power and leverage and we squandered it.

We squandered the political moment of the 1960s and gave up after the assassinations of multiple leaders by believing political leadership is the result of charisma instead of organization, vision and winning.

We did absolutely nothing throughout the 80s, 90s, 2000s and 2010s. We went around saying America is post-racial after Obama and foolishly believed we are in a multi-racial coalition. What we really were was mules for other groups to piggy back off of.

We did not understand that Barack Obama came from a White mother and a Kenyan father and was raised in well off White family and he was nothing like us. He was something new. He embodied the type of leader that Democrats want. Cosmopolitan, well-educated, well-off and transient. But no, we didn't read the room.

Native Born Black American believing that politics comes down to the right beliefs and voting and that you can make up a multi-generational wealth gap, income inequality, health inequality through electoral politics not through movement politics is why we are here.

We don't have wealth, we don't have the numbers and we don't have political and social capital.

Yeah, I am not about people being helped. I don't care about help. I care about winning and we don't want to win. We don't want the responsibility of having a legacy and having to leave something worth our children and children's children dying for.

The job was never done. We don't have wealth in the wealthiest country in the world. We don't have power in the most powerful country in the world. You can't survive in this country without wealth and power. Democracy is about competing against various interest groups and you can't compete if you don't have the money to buy into the system.

The lesson is worth it for native-born Black Americans that are willing to ridicule and divorce themselves from the last 50 years of straight up incompetence and arrogance of a people that squandered a legacy of resistance and overcoming to do fuck all for generations.

You evolve or you die. These conditions will either inspire a new generation of movement politics or it will be the final nail in the coffin for creating a politics around the wealth gap and closing it.
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I agree with most of this. I’m not mad at it. I definitely feel like our power as a collective has been squandered so at this point all we can do is reduce harm and take care of ourselves and our community as individuals.
 
TheNightKing said:
I agree with most of this. I’m not mad at it. I definitely feel like our power as a collective has been squandered so at this point all we can do is reduce harm and take care of ourselves and our community as individuals.
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And that’s basically the main focus people should have when it comes to dealing with the govt overall whether good or bad
 
ZMaKEa said:
We did absolutely nothing throughout the 80s, 90s, 2000s and 2010s. We went around saying America is post-racial after Obama and foolishly believed we are in a multi-racial coalition. What we really were was mules for other groups to piggy back off of.
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Honestly I saw racial issues becoming more transparent when he was in office

I never saw or heard us believing America was post-racial after he was elected
 
TheNightKing said:
I agree with most of this. I’m not mad at it. I definitely feel like our power as a collective has been squandered so at this point all we can do is reduce harm and take care of ourselves and our community as individuals.
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And it is sad.

I never seen a group of people just roll over and die because they don't wanna do what it takes to be a viable American after throwing off the bondages of slavery.

Sometimes you ain't gonna make it to the promise land and motherfuckers found out that you gonna struggle and not make it. So we decided to kick the can down the road for generations. People that claim to care about their family and kids but won't organize so their kids aren't saddled with this generational debt around their neck.

We don't have a collective sense of honor. There are struggles around the world where groups of people were willing to go do whatever it takes. And we sitting here talking about voting. There are struggles around the world based on organizational discipline and goals and we talking about charisma. We need someone to convince us to go get what is owed to us.
There are people that actively struggle against governments and we haven't done it in 60 something years and we talking about "the White man won't let us".

We need to go get inspiration from other groups of people because we used to be a role model for political struggle. We used to be people that had a robust political vision. We wanna blindly vote Democrat. When they lose we get mad and play the blame game with the country about why they don't wanna give us wins as if we ever was given anything. If they win, we make excuses for them not trying to change our conditions.

Yeah, this batch is done. Find some people that are worth looking out for and take care of them but educate them on why things are the way they are.

dodge said:
Honestly I saw racial issues becoming more transparent when he was in office

I never saw or heard us believing America was post-racial after he was elected
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You didn't pay attention to the liberals and the boule of that era that literally said race doesn't matter anymore because Obama was elected. Not because Obama did anything, but simply because he was elected.





Obama was our reparations. He was our gift from the liberals and we were supposed to consider him to be a repayment for our enslavement and the White America was supposed to be absolved of their sins.

The last 16 years has been
 
TheNightKing said:
I agree with most of this. I’m not mad at it. I definitely feel like our power as a collective has been squandered so at this point all we can do is reduce harm and take care of ourselves and our community as individuals.
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Our power is not squandered at all. Do we all need to make sure our individual houses are in order? Of course, but this not the time walk away. Remember when Obama won in 2008 and white folks all over lost their minds? You think they thought all their power was gone?? No they organized, became more engaged and started running for seats at all levels of government, started PACS, started podcast, social media pages, Facebook groups, all kinds of shit. Donald Trump didn't do this shit alone. He just took advantage of white people's anger at the mere possibility that their power was slipping away. So now it's our turn to the same and follow their playbook because ultimately they want us to feel like our power is gone. We don't need have a black president to be powerful in this country...
 
ZMaKEa said:
And it is sad.

I never seen a group of people just roll over and die because they don't wanna do what it takes to be a viable American after throwing off the bondages of slavery.

Sometimes you ain't gonna make it to the promise land and motherfuckers found out that you gonna struggle and not make it. So we decided to kick the can down the road for generations. People that claim to care about their family and kids but won't organize so their kids aren't saddled with this generational debt around their neck.

We don't have a collective sense of honor. There are struggles around the world where groups of people were willing to go do whatever it takes. And we sitting here talking about voting. There are struggles around the world based on organizational discipline and goals and we talking about charisma. We need someone to convince us to go get what is owed to us.
There are people that actively struggle against governments and we haven't done it in 60 something years and we talking about "the White man won't let us".

We need to go get inspiration from other groups of people because we used to be a role model for political struggle. We used to be people that had a robust political vision. We wanna blindly vote Democrat. When they lose we get mad and play the blame game with the country about why they don't wanna give us wins as if we ever was given anything. If they win, we make excuses for them not trying to change our conditions.

Yeah, this batch is done. Find some people that are worth looking out for and take care of them but educate them on why things are the way they are.



You didn't pay attention to the liberals and the boule of that era that literally said race doesn't matter anymore because Obama was elected. Not because Obama did anything, but simply because he was elected.





Obama was our reparations. He was our gift from the liberals and we were supposed to consider him to be a repayment for our enslavement and the White America was supposed to be absolved of their sins.

The last 16 years has been
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OF COURSE they’ll say stuff like that. That’s to be expected. Nobody I knew close to me especially in the ghettos ever thought America was post racial after Obama was in office. Maybe that’s what the media wanted to paint.

But in reality…hell no. Black folks were still very aware that racism was alive and strong
 
Tayboo said:
Our power is not squandered at all. Do we all need to make sure our individual houses are in order? Of course, but this not the time walk away. Remember when Obama won in 2008 and white folks all over lost their minds? You think they thought all their power was gone?? No they organized, became more engaged and started running for seats at all levels of government, started PACS, started podcast, social media pages, Facebook groups, all kinds of shit. Donald Trump didn't do this shit alone. He just took advantage of white people's anger at the mere possibility that their power was slipping away. So now it's our turn to the same and follow their playbook because ultimately they want us to feel like our power is gone. We don't need have a black president to be powerful in this country...
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It's about the fact that the Democrats have much more to consider than us.

They spent the last 16 years trying to win White moderate voters because the Democrats know they cannot win without a large percentage of the White vote.

They don't try to turn out the Black vote because if they try to turn out the Black vote, it will turn off White people. They assumed that Latinos and Asians will be as loyal as we are and that was never going to be the case if they actually paid attention to American history and the relationship that native Black Americans have with immigrants historically. They always turn right.

Now they have to reconsider how much the Black vote is worth to them. If they get 70 to 80 percent of the Black vote but only 2 million Black people voted, if they can capture more of the Latino vote and the Asian vote from the Republicans, which are growing affluent populations, it's worth it to appeal to them. And if Whites, Asians, and Latinos are on right wing politics, what do you think we are gonna get from Democrats? Right wing politics. They are gonna look at the success of Bill Clinton and follow that.

We are looking at the assimilation of Asians and Latinos into America via the Republican Party. We are also looking at the death of the White middle class and White middle class Americans trying to hold on their status by turning to the far right to preserve their status. It's a new multi-racial far right coalition.

The Democrats don't have a vision of what America should be like. Black America's vision of America being a place of rights, equality and fellowship, nobody believes in it because the country won't do it what it takes to make it be real. That vision has been picked by vultures and trampled on since MLK died and we allowed it because we didn't tell America to pay their debt when we had the entire world looking at us. We refused to point out the Democrats hypocrisy on the nation stage because we don't wanna discourage people to vote. We didn't want cause discord. We didn't want to fight.

When Barack Obama was asked about reparations when he was president and he said it wouldn't be fair to immigrants. That's all you needed to know.

When people keep saying America is a country of immigrants and whitewash over slavery. That's all you needed to know.

The country is indifferent to us at this point. We used to be the problem that America was trying to solve since it's inception and it's solution is to not care one way or the other. It's like a marriage without sex and only being together for the kids and financial benefits.

We are non-citizens citizens and always have been.
 
Tayboo said:
Our power is not squandered at all. Do we all need to make sure our individual houses are in order? Of course, but this not the time walk away. Remember when Obama won in 2008 and white folks all over lost their minds? You think they thought all their power was gone?? No they organized, became more engaged and started running for seats at all levels of government, started PACS, started podcast, social media pages, Facebook groups, all kinds of shit. Donald Trump didn't do this shit alone. He just took advantage of white people's anger at the mere possibility that their power was slipping away. So now it's our turn to the same and follow their playbook because ultimately they want us to feel like our power is gone. We don't need have a black president to be powerful in this country...
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I feel you, but in this moment, when black people won’t even vote or will actually vote for Trump, it’s hard to see how we regroup. We too divided and there’s no compromise. It’s just shit on each other if you don’t agree with me.

That’s what saddens me most about it. People don’t care about individual black people, just progressing some agenda that’s getting less and less realistic.
 
ZMaKEa said:
It's about the fact that the Democrats have much more to consider than us.

They spent the last 16 years trying to win White moderate voters because the Democrats know they cannot win without a large percentage of the White vote.

They don't try to turn out the Black vote because if they try to turn out the Black vote, it will turn off White people. They assumed that Latinos and Asians will be as loyal as we are and that was never going to be the case if they actually paid attention to American history and the relationship that native Black Americans have with immigrants historically. They always turn right.

Now they have to reconsider how much the Black vote is worth to them. If they get 70 to 80 percent of the Black vote but only 2 million Black people voted, if they can capture more of the Latino vote and the Asian vote from the Republicans, which are growing affluent populations, it's worth it to appeal to them. And if Whites, Asians, and Latinos are on right wing politics, what do you think we are gonna get from Democrats? Right wing politics. They are gonna look at the success of Bill Clinton and follow that.

We are looking at the assimilation of Asians and Latinos into America via the Republican Party. We are also looking at the death of the White middle class and White middle class Americans trying to hold on their status by turning to the far right to preserve their status. It's a new multi-racial far right coalition.

The Democrats don't have a vision of what America should be like. Black America's vision of America being a place of rights, equality and fellowship, nobody believes in it because the country won't do it what it takes to make it be real. That vision has been picked by vultures and trampled on since MLK died and we allowed it because we didn't tell America to pay their debt when we had the entire world looking at us. We refused to point out the Democrats hypocrisy on the nation stage because we don't wanna discourage people to vote. We didn't want cause discord. We didn't want to fight.

When Barack Obama was asked about reparations when he was president and he said it wouldn't be fair to immigrants. That's all you needed to know.

When people keep saying America is a country of immigrants and whitewash over slavery. That's all you needed to know.

The country is indifferent to us at this point. We used to be the problem that America was trying to solve since it's inception and it's solution is to not care one way or the other. It's like a marriage without sex and only being together for the kids and financial benefits.

We are non-citizens citizens and always have been.
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See your talking about our power in presidential elections. Our power has never been with the presidential office. I personally don't need to see another black president. A black person has to white wash themselves too much to win that office because like you said someone has to appeal to white voters there's just no getting around that. Our power is with who represents us in Congress. A person who constituency is 45 percent Black is more inclined to court the black vote then a person whose constituency is only 12 percent.
 
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