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Knock_Twice said:
For the 9th time in 18 hours


Care Packages or Incentive packages put together by the next Democratic team for 2028. The package will have to consist of the things that that group wants and need. The shit that comes outta the peoples/voters mouths.

If that democratic candidate doesn't want put together a 'care package' that comes from black folks mouths.

They will not get votes, and they will lose again. Badly.

THey will continue to get embarrassed until they get on the program of what the people want.

Do you get it??

If they don't do what the people want them to do or ask for them to do, The Reps win again??

That's the strategy that's going to be the STANDARD.
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And when they win without care packages, then what? You’re putting a lot of faith in our political power when it’s been proven candidates can win without black people.

If they can improve their Latino margins and hold onto black people that are blue no matter who, you can ask for all the care packages you want and you won’t get it.

Have you seen anyone anywhere say democrats lost because the black vote didn’t come together for them? No, so your theory is already dead.
 
I google news stories about black representation in the election and here’s what I got:

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Here’s the list for Latinos:

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So if you thought the message sent was give black people what they want so you can win you’re sorely mistaken. Any outcome you hoped for from a democrat loss is not happening. So the celebrations are hollow.

Given this, what’s the plan now that you’ve gotten what you want?
 
Knock_Twice said:
The demcratic party has NO leverage going forward with black voters after this loss.

You have to come see us now baby. Lol
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Black people aren't the reason why Democrats lost the election so you're wrong.

You're never going to get 100% of the vote from any demographic but, Black people make up a smaller percentage of voters than white people and latino people. With that being said, a higher percentage of Black people voted compared to white people and latinos.

This is why I gave you the classroom analogy.

There were more white and latino people than Black people in the class. However, a higher percentage of Black people voted than white and latino people. So the groups that need to be convinced to vote are not Black people. We voted with a higher percentage than any other demographic.

To break it down even further, 71% of eligible Black voters voted compared to 68% for eligible white people and 64% for eligible latinos.

You're whole argument is built around this narrative that not enough Black voters turned out but the reality is that Black voters represented their demographic at a higher percentage than white people and latinos.

So that energy that you have for Democrats towards Black voters should be aimed towards white and latino voters.

We did our part and you're trying to find flaws in it.
 
Marc123 said:
Its a long way away. But dems better run andy beshear in 2028
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Beshear doesn't address their biggest problem. Not saying that he is a bad candidate because I think he's a really good one that just needs more media training but, he doesn't address the core issues on why they lost.
 
Los216 said:
Beshear doesn't address their biggest problem. Not saying that he is a bad candidate because I think he's a really good one that just needs more media training but, he doesn't address the core issues on why they lost.
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Im i correct to assume the main issues u think that lead to their L are the economy and immigration?
 
Marc123 said:
Im i correct to assume the main issues u think that lead to their L are the economy and immigration?
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No. Republicans have tapped into the underbelly of America just hard enough to have an advantage. Instead of Democrats trying to win over those (mainly white) voters from that underbelly, they have to lean harder into the voters from their base that do not participate consistently.

That starts by leaning harder into the things that their base wants and stop wasting resources on people who do not makeup the core of your base.
 
Los216 said:
No. Republicans have tapped into the underbelly of America just hard enough to have an advantage. Instead of Democrats trying to win over those (mainly white) voters from that underbelly, they have to lean harder into the voters from their base that do not participate consistently.

That starts by leaning harder into the things that their base wants and stop wasting resources on people who do not makeup the core of your base.
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Oh sweet jesus!

That was a mf'ing word salad
 
TheNightKing said:
And when they win without care packages, then what? You’re putting a lot of faith in our political power when it’s been proven candidates can win without black people.

If they can improve their Latino margins and hold onto black people that are blue no matter who, you can ask for all the care packages you want and you won’t get it.

Have you seen anyone anywhere say democrats lost because the black vote didn’t come together for them? No, so your theory is already dead.
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They won't ever win another presidential election again if they don't come with 'care packages' I promise you that. That game is over.

I see online women and in real life women blaming black men. Again I ask

if 20 million black voters can vote and you only get 1 million outta the 20, is that a win for you?? No, My theory remains.

Latino has always went that way, this is new to you bro.

If you don't give people what they need going forward, you will get beat bad.

Bro it wasn't even close. She got washed, She lost to a cardboard box, just imagine someone that is much better than Trump running, do you think a dem who don't offer anything has a chance in hell of winning going forward?

No
 
Los216 said:
Beshear doesn't address their biggest problem. Not saying that he is a bad candidate because I think he's a really good one that just needs more media training but, he doesn't address the core issues on why they lost.
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While I agree we need someone to address core issues, we also need someone with a presence and personality than can inspire people. I think those latter characteristics are just as much or more important than policies at this point.

I would think Josh Shapiro to be best but I like Beshear too. I like Mark Kelly as well, he was a good surrogate for Kamala and can articulate issues well.

Hate it for Gretchen, she’s never getting the nomination after 2 women failed.
 
Los216 said:
Black people aren't the reason why Democrats lost the election so you're wrong.

You're never going to get 100% of the vote from any demographic but, Black people make up a smaller percentage of voters than white people and latino people. With that being said, a higher percentage of Black people voted compared to white people and latinos.

This is why I gave you the classroom analogy.

There were more white and latino people than Black people in the class. However, a higher percentage of Black people voted than white and latino people. So the groups that need to be convinced to vote are not Black people. We voted with a higher percentage than any other demographic.

To break it down even further, 71% of eligible Black voters voted compared to 68% for eligible white people and 64% for eligible latinos.

You're whole argument is built around this narrative that not enough Black voters turned out but the reality is that Black voters represented their demographic at a higher percentage than white people and latinos.

So that energy that you have for Democrats towards Black voters should be aimed towards white and latino voters.

We did our part and you're trying to find flaws in it.
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Bro, lol if the dems don't give what the people need and ask for, they won't win another presidential election again.

2028, this play won't work.
 
I just............................

I need Black people online to understand how small our footprint is.

I understand that a lot of us think that were making statements and holding true to whatever beliefs we have by not voting, or demanding more, or attacking Democrats, but none of those things are possible by not participating.

The fact of the matter is that no matter how loud Black folks want to get online about politics, we have the smallest footprint compared to other demographics. Our muscle isn't as strong as the shit niggas talk online. We are not the big dog in the yard. You aren't threatening anything by sitting out. Our numbers aren't as big to think that pulling shit like that will be impactful.
 
TheNightKing said:
While I agree we need someone to address core issues, we also need someone with a presence and personality than can inspire people. I think those latter characteristics are just as much or more important than policies at this point.

I would think Josh Shapiro to be best but I like Beshear too. I like Mark Kelly as well, he was a good surrogate for Kamala and can articulate issues well.

Hate it for Gretchen, she’s never getting the nomination after 2 women failed.
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At the bolded...what's funny is Big Gretch is the one who has the best "razzle dazzle" of the group you just listed.
 
Los216 said:
I just............................

I need Black people online to understand how small our footprint is.

I understand that a lot of us think that were making statements and holding true to whatever beliefs we have by not voting, or demanding more, or attacking Democrats, but none of those things are possible by not participating.

The fact of the matter is that no matter how loud Black folks want to get online about politics, we have the smallest footprint compared to other demographics. Our muscle isn't as strong as the shit niggas talk online. We are not the big dog in the yard. You aren't threatening anything by sitting out. Our numbers aren't as big to think that pulling shit like that will be impactful.
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Honey you are talking to a brick wall.
 
Knock_Twice said:
They won't ever win another presidential election again if they don't come with 'care packages' I promise you that. That game is over.

I see online women and in real life women blaming black men. Again I ask

if 20 million black voters can vote and you only get 1 million outta the 20, is that a win for you?? No, My theory remains.

Latino has always went that way, this is new to you bro.

If you don't give people what they need going forward, you will get beat bad.

Bro it wasn't even close. She got washed, She lost to a cardboard box, just imagine someone that is much better than Trump running, do you think a dem who don't offer anything has a chance in hell of winning going forward?

No
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I showed you how all of the talking points is how Latinos showed up. Gave you examples from Google. And I watch all of the cable news networks.

Not one source has given credit to black men or black people in general for why Kamala lost.

NOT ONE.

That’s why I don’t know why y’all think this is such a win for your strategy when your strategy is predicated on democrats recognizing the power of your vote and why they need it.
 
TheNightKing said:
While I agree we need someone to address core issues, we also need someone with a presence and personality than can inspire people. I think those latter characteristics are just as much or more important than policies at this point.

I would think Josh Shapiro to be best but I like Beshear too. I like Mark Kelly as well, he was a good surrogate for Kamala and can articulate issues well.

Hate it for Gretchen, she’s never getting the nomination after 2 women failed.
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Beshear is terrible head to head with Republicans when it comes to messaging. However bad people think Tim Walz looked at the debate, Beshear is worse in that capacity. He needs seasoning. For that reason, he will be under the same character attacks as Kamala.

Shapiro is too corporate. He's a great candidate if you think Democrats should lean even more into the establishment but I don't think that's the way that they should lean.

Mark Kelly would not make it out of a primary. He falls in line with Republicans on too many women's issues like abortion.

It's a wrap for Big Gretch lolololololol
 
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