The Breakfast Club Thread
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DOS_patos
Unverified Legion of Trill member
Sometimes your approach is off putting
StringerBell
OG
Cashin’ Your Money hoodwinked another rapper.. ROFL @ the look on Angela Yee’s face at the end...
Lord Nemesis
I’ve had to zip up my nigga suit once in a while
I tried to give that nigga some listens but he horrible. Sound like a West coast Yachty
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
I'm torn on some of the shit Mike said. It's not that I think he's wrong. I think he's oversimplifying things. If you want to be a DJ or a rapper or an athlete and you have the talent, sure you can come out of normal public school and be ok. If you want to be a doctor, lawyer, or scientist, you can also come out of public school and make it. However, let's not act like the school you go to doesn't matter more for the second group than it does for the first. If you got kids you want the best for them. If I had the money, I'm going to send my kids to the best place for them. If the private school has a better curriculum but is filled with a bunch of racists that will scar my kids, then I'm not sending them there. However, if that private school is decent socially and far ahead of the public school academically, then that's where my kids would go. I'm not going to stunt their opportunities just so I can say that we were loyal to the black community. There are other ways to support the community.
what it took from it was, instead of sending your kids to these white public schools where in all likelihood, they gonna try to force some catholic principles or whatever, IF you have the resources to do it, pool your money with other people in your community and start your own schools where they can get the same type of quality education and be around people that look like them so that it instills in them a sense of black pride
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
That's a nice sentiment. However, for one, that takes a lot of coordination, which is really hard to do especially in working class neighborhoods where the parents can barely attend PTA meetings let alone creating a new schooling infrastructure. Second, something like that takes money. The problem with Mike is that he's from ATL and ATL is not a typical area as far as blacks go. Things that work there wouldn't necessarily work in other places. I live in PG Maryland, and it's the same thing here. The area I live in has a bunch of black private schools, so you can take up that option. However, this area also has a lot of wealthy black people, so that's how the schools came to be. And it's not exactly a good thing either. Since all the well off black people send their kids to private schools, all the public schools suck. So even though the area has money in it, if your family doesn't have the money for private school, your kids are stuck going to subpar public schools. It's part of the reason I plan on moving out of this area when it's time for my eldest daughter to go to middle school.
WilberDMillz
Car Junkie
Bro, he advocated and even mentioned some black Private schools in ATL. He also really didnt have a issue with private schools, he said if you going to send them to a majority white private school, to do it after they're 13 and have been around people that look like them so that they're confortable/confident with they're identity. To me that makes sense.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
I think you missed my point. What I was saying is that his side of the discussion was really only possible in places like ATL. Other places don't even have those options.
And yeah, he kinda walked it back and tried to play both sides, but he made it clear he thought blacks were wrong for not supporting public schools in black areas. He did the same kinda double talk with the subject of interracial marriage. He was like "You a sucka if you marry a white girl...but you love who you love."
is not impossible
if you want the ability to send other kids there, offer vouchers so that they can attend
and, you think white people care about how much time is needed to coordinate something? there is a group of white people right now planning something that wont come to fruition for another 2 years or more. Why cant blacks do the same thing?
OR
like he said, go to your school boards and elect newer members. Use your money and affluence to evoke change. Or maybe you know someone with more money and affluence than you. Let them be an advocate for you.
i definitely didnt get that from his words fam
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
What you're talking about takes time. We could put a plan in action and try to get things to change and maybe in 5 to 10 years, the school situation in this area will have improved. I never said that was impossible, but that doesn't help my daughter. I'm all for helping the black community, but seeing that my family is able to thrive comes first and that should be the case for everyone.
Also, both your ideas still require money to be in the area. My primary point was that unlike ATL and PGC, a lot of the black areas in this country don't have that kinda money in them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Mike is out of line for what he's saying. I agree with his point about the school boards and I do think that if you're stuck in those areas, there are things you can and should do to effect change. I also believe that if you're from those areas and you make it, you should use your wealth and assets to give back. I just don't agree that it's best to limit your own children's opportunities if you don't have to. If you can find a good black school that will adequately prepare your child, cool. If you can't, send them to the best school for them, and find other ways to help them connect with the black community.
Well go back and listen. If he didn't start out with such a hard nosed stance on non-black private schools, that discussion never would have went the way it did. I think Envy's side had its' problems too, but the only reason he was going at Mike was because Mike was acting like public school was just as good as top tier privates schools, and that's not necessarily true.
T. Sanford
T. Sanford/Trill Doggy Dog (Legion Of Trill)
I swear Envy have a punchable face
Killer Mike was right about most people just want to live comfortably and debt free. I've heard my mother on numerous occasions said she don't want to be rich. She just want to have access to the things she need and have an adequate standard of living.
Killer Mike was right about most people just want to live comfortably and debt free. I've heard my mother on numerous occasions said she don't want to be rich. She just want to have access to the things she need and have an adequate standard of living.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
Yeah, Envy was wrong about that. A lot of the people that come to his seminars might be looking to get rich, but that doesn't mean that most people want to be rich. Also, his belief that everyone can be a millionaire is just wrong. I don't see why people don't understand that money is a finite commodity. Everybody can't just jump onto the real estate wave. At some point that becomes unsustainable and it's not longer a profitable venture. Depending on where you live, that may already be the case. Envy also seemed no to understand that a lot of what he was doing was only possible because he had money. His stance was weird. Like he got upset about being called a DJ. I get that he's not just that. He's an entrepreneur, but if he hadn't become a successful DJ, he would probably never have become the entrepreneur that he is now.
DMorgan
You niggas is EXCOMMUNICADO!!!
I'm going pick at part of your statement.
In an earlier post you said you plan on moving once your eldest daughter reaches middle school. If you already know before she reaches middle school that the school in your area is not up to par. Why don't you start NOW trying to improve the school that your daughter is supposed to go to? So by the time she is of age the school is what is should be. Why not try to get with other parents and see if they are willing to help if they feel the same way? That would also help the education of all the black kids in your area which is what we as black people need and should be doing if at all possible.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
Bruh, we are. lol I've been to school board and county council meetings. I've talked to other parents. A lot of them don't even see the problem. The ones I know with money don't mind sending their kids to the black private schools to get the best education possible. The ones I know that don't have money are content that the schools are still better than the DC schools down the road. So what can I do? I'm part of the PTA and I try to help out with her school so that it's the best it can be, but I got a full time job, I don't have the time or frankly the expertise to try and change a whole community's outlook toward education.
If someone came to me with a plan of action that could effect change within the time span I need, I'd be with it, because I don't really want to move out of the area. Until then I got plan on doing what I feel is best for my girls.
DMorgan
You niggas is EXCOMMUNICADO!!!
Cool just asking cause I don't know you personally and not accusing cause I don't know you personally.
You doing what you can and that is anybody can do. I get why you plan on moving now. Good luck with all of that kids are the future!