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There is always going to be that segment of the population that votes that way but it still never stopped democrats from winning, white or black.

There are always going to be a segment of ignorant voters on both sides.

The problem is its not just that the execution wasn't flawless, it was horrible. At the beginning of the campaign in the presidential thread I remember pointing out their strategy was to let her talk as little as possible and let trump flail. It was working up until ppl started asking for policies. They sucked at getting the policies out and on top of that once she started making appearances she was making misstep after misstep.

She couldn't even explain the mechanics of her plan to bring inflation down. She gave a lot of non answers, add to the debacle of Biden's cognitive decline.

U have to ignore A LOT of shit to boil it down to ignorant voters, who have always existed.
We're talking past each other at this point b. At least imo

Trump, is on record saying he had something like a plan.

You and knock are ignoring that my responses are specifically in relation to Kamala and the reasons people were given for not voting for her. None of it had to do with her policies. So again, she could've run a flawless campaign and they weren't going to vote for her no matter what. The fact that she fumbled her campaign didn't matter
 
Not only that but it gave off an impression that she was just being pushed to the presidential seat by the same ppl who finally caved and pushed Biden out. The whole thing seemed very inauthentic and made it easier for trump to win with his fake populist rhetoric....which by the way, the Dems seem to finally catch on to after totally forgetting about it for years.
Agreed
 
Brotha, using this example, if reparations was all that I wanted and let's just say, I voted for this candidate they wins, and black folks are awarded 15k, I'll use a low number.

Most of those black folks don't care about anything else, they got what they wanted, the other stuff is extra on top, some may not even know what the secondary things are, they are focus on getting that reparations.

Why is this so hard for you to understand, and be content with? You keep adding on things that nobody's concerned about. At the time they not worried about what's not helping them that you may deem to be helpful, the most important thing that they want is the reparations in this example.

Everything in life comes with stipulations. And to encourage people to not consider those isn't a good long term solution. Im not insulting people or calling them idiots. So don't add shit im not saying. So no I'm not content with telling people it's ok to be manipulated and get 1 thing while losing out on several others that would hurt you more than the 1 thing you got may help you. You keep saying things nobody is concerned about. You really must have you head in the sand if you think people aren't concerned about businesses going under, rising housing costs, wages getting lower and not rising with inflation, etc. These are all issues people are concerned about. Problem is they're concerned about them individually and politicians keep capitalizing on that. They're playing the single issue voters against each other.
 
Sorry but I can't ever downplay racism and how much it may affect somethings. Shit even with Obama there were literally hanging dolls of him after he got elected. Anytime he weighed in on a race issue the right pounced and tried to spin the reverse racism card. The birther stuff. All racism. The racist reaction post Obama is a huge reason we at where we are today.
I'm not downplaying it, I'm saying even in spite of it the right candidate can still win and we know this bc it's happened before.

She wasn't even wanted in her own primary it's not farfetched to say it'd be even harder for her on a national scale. That's all.
 
We're talking past each other at this point b. At least imo

Trump, is on record saying he had something like a plan.

You and knock are ignoring that my responses are specifically in relation to Kamala and the reasons people were given for not voting for her. None of it had to do with her policies. So again, she could've run a flawless campaign and they weren't going to vote for her no matter what. The fact that she fumbled her campaign didn't matter
He had the advantage of not being in office at the time which is usually why the president seat usually never has consecutive party terms outside of it being the incumbents second term.

Biden and co had to dress up a lot of shit during their term that ppl rightly weren't buying, and Kamala wasn't distancing herself from.
 
He had the advantage of not being in office at the time which is usually why the president seat usually never has consecutive party terms outside of it being the incumbents second term.

Biden and co had to dress up a lot of shit during their term that ppl rightly weren't buying, and Kamala wasn't distancing herself from.
Agreed also
 
I'm not downplaying it, I'm saying even in spite of it the right candidate can still win and we know this bc it's happened before.

She wasn't even wanted in her own primary it's not farfetched to say it'd be even harder for her on a national scale. That's all.

Idk. You ask some Black folks and they'll tell you the racist reaction to Obama that was a huge inspiration to the maga movement has led to some thinking they saw the 1 and only Black president in their lifetime. It may have happened before...it's highly doubtful it will happen again. We are living in real time the reaction to it
 
We're talking past each other at this point b. At least imo

Trump, is on record saying he had something like a plan.

You and knock are ignoring that my responses are specifically in relation to Kamala and the reasons people were given for not voting for her. None of it had to do with her policies. So again, she could've run a flawless campaign and they weren't going to vote for her no matter what. The fact that she fumbled her campaign didn't matter

When people bring up policies but have no explanation for how during an actual debate they were ok with Trump saying he had "concepts of a plan"...that's a wild thing to defend.
 
Is there anything wrong with being a single-issue voter though? Women vote on abortion issues all of the time, People have always voted on single-issue.

There is a 60 minutes interview every year and they ask a group of people why they are choosing x candidate and the people elaborate on what's important to them. which is using a single issue topic

I'm not sure why this is such a strike to you?


White wine vote solely on abortion issues I don’t think that applies to Latin or black women.

Also black peoples have more than one issue so how can we be single issue.
 


I don't see how you can look at this...then say people should be single issue. No health care, no snap, but higher taxes and billionaire companies paying $0 in taxes while billions are spent on wars and Trump claims there's no money for people here.
 
Everything in life comes with stipulations. And to encourage people to not consider those isn't a good long term solution. Im not insulting people or calling them idiots. So don't add shit im not saying. So no I'm not content with telling people it's ok to be manipulated and get 1 thing while losing out on several others that would hurt you more than the 1 thing you got may help you. You keep saying things nobody is concerned about. You really must have you head in the sand if you think people aren't concerned about businesses going under, rising housing costs, wages getting lower and not rising with inflation, etc. These are all issues people are concerned about. Problem is they're concerned about them individually and politicians keep capitalizing on that. They're playing the single issue voters against each other.

Brotha, you haven't insulted people in this thread but you have insulted people for voting for Trump, let's not act brand new. You may have not said the word idiots but you don't think to highly of people who voted for Trump.

Those same people that voted for Trump that you deem some kind of way, however you may judge them, you want them to think, Either they can think or they can't. You can't have it both ways.

As I stated to AP, you need to do more research on how this country works, and how people vote. There's a reason for why businesses invest into certain candidates, because it will help their product or mission (single issue) it's a reason why certain group/entities invest into certain candidates, it will help their group, I used a women group as an example, it's a reason why insurance companies invest into candidates, (single issue)

Single issue voters/voting is the old way, the current way and will be the future way. You don't have to accept it and that's fine. You can talk about it until the cows come home, that's also fine, but what you can't do is change how this method of voting will continue to be the method way of voting for most people around this country.

You're drifting onto something that I am not even talking bout.

I gave you several examples, in which you very well understood but you wanted to add the extra layer on it, when in fact, I stated to you that when it comes down to voting, that person isn't concerned about the extra layer or other things such as the price of eggs or gas.

They are concerned about their issue, and only their issue. Again, this isn't a Knock thing, Knock just explaining to you the rules of this game, the game that you are playing, most Americans don't play that game brotha.


You keep pushing that other things are connected, never said that they are or not, I'm saying many, most Americans only vote for what they want and what is most important to them.

That's all brotha. You vote your way, and let folks continue to vote their way, which is single-issue or what's most important to them
 


I don't see how you can look at this...then say people should be single issue. No health care, no snap, but higher taxes and billionaire companies paying $0 in taxes while billions are spent on wars and Trump claims there's no money for people here.


I think what you are trying to do is make this out of a Trump is bad ordeal, brotha this isn't the topic, you are changing the topic to insert how bad things are and why people should be voting like You.

All I stated and Deadeye stated is that most people only care about what's important to them. That graph you spoke on, I can go to my hood and ask them to quote me this information and they would not know that information,

They don't care about it, or they are not invested in it, but they can tell you if they would rather have reparations or be concerned about the prices of eggs, they would pick reparations as their main issue.

Billionaires paying 0 in taxes, don't even concern me brotha and I'm up on game. I don't give a shit about that, I couldn't care less how much these folks pay in taxes.

You seem to care, but you can't do nothing about it but fuss. Brotha, I aint about to tell you what to focus on, but I am going to say, the shit you care about, don't concern me like that and most folks and that's ok.

I don't care if a Billionaire pays 0 or 100 million dollars back, I know how the world is setup. Most folks in the country don't care either. lol
 
White wine vote solely on abortion issues I don’t think that applies to Latin or black women.

Also black peoples have more than one issue so how can we be single issue.

White women, this is a single-issue thing for them, and that's fine. AP and others don't like this idea. that they can either choose to vote on this issue or not vote on it. The debate is that people in this country vote on single issue all the time vs that they should be voting on everything or most things

I've met many of black women who vote on abortion issues.

I've met many men who vote on health care only.

The point that is being made or at least what I've been saying is that:

1. Many Americans vote on single issue, or what's important to them...

2. Kamala stated to "Get Yours" meaning to get what matters to you the most for your vote.

3. Kamala policies didn't fit into everybody's box, thus one of the reasons she lost the election

Everybody has reason to why single-issue voting is bad, kool, whatever floats your boat, but people will still do it, at a high clip, and that's fine too. You vote your way and let others vote their way and be at peace.

You got folks who want reparations or you don't get their vote, that's cool

You got others who want lower premiums for their insurance that's cool too

You got folks who want gas prices to come down

You got folks who want immigrations laws to be at ease.

You can agree to all 4 items, or you can sit on 1, doesn't matter, it's your vote and you use it or not use it based on what's important to you and your family

Niggas be judging other niggas when you supposed to worry about what's going on inside of your own house
 
I think what you are trying to do is make this out of a Trump is bad ordeal, brotha this isn't the topic, you are changing the topic to insert how bad things are and why people should be voting like You.

All I stated and Deadeye stated is that most people only care about what's important to them. That graph you spoke on, I can go to my hood and ask them to quote me this information and they would not know that information,

They don't care about it, or they are not invested in it, but they can tell you if they would rather have reparations or be concerned about the prices of eggs, they would pick reparations as their main issue.

Billionaires paying 0 in taxes, don't even concern me brotha and I'm up on game. I don't give a shit about that, I couldn't care less how much these folks pay in taxes.

You seem to care, but you can't do nothing about it but fuss. Brotha, I aint about to tell you what to focus on, but I am going to say, the shit you care about, don't concern me like that and most folks and that's ok.

I don't care if a Billionaire pays 0 or 100 million dollars back, I know how the world is setup. Most folks in the country don't care either. lol

Never said people should vote like me. I said that voting only considering 1 issue is short sighted. And you may not get exact responses to numbers but I bet them people you talk to can tell you they're paying more money for the same shit than they did before. You go to the hood and see folks being put out because housing vouchers are done with and they can't afford a high ass rent. And I see this damn near daily. Shit just today my property got 5 evictions scheduled for 2 weeks from now. You think them people don't care about housing or wages when that's the reason they losing their home?

You go and see grocery prices high as hell, people can't fill their tanks to get to and from work. You don't gotta dress shit up in fancy language to see how it affects people. You think people in the hood not concerned about snap and medicaid? Those the main people it's meant to assist. You think they don't care if ain't no hospitals near them?

And the mentality you're talking about is why these shady politicians continue to thrive. Because you are championing a mentality that encourages people to not know what's going on and how everything works together for other people and against them.
 
Never said people should vote like me. I said that voting only considering 1 issue is short sighted. And you may not get exact responses to numbers but I bet them people you talk to can tell you they're paying more money for the same shit than they did before. You go to the hood and see folks being put out because housing vouchers are done with and they can't afford a high ass rent. You o and see grocery prices high as hell, people can't fill their tanks to get to and from work. You don't gotta dress shit up in fancy language to see how it affects people. You think people in the hood not concerned about snap and medicaid? Those the main people it's meant to assist.

And the mentality you're talking about is why these shady politicians continue to thrive. Because you are championing a mentality that encourages people to not know what's going on and how everything works together for other people and against them.

Just because you don't flat out say "vote like me" doesn't mean you don't want people to take your approach to voting brotha, let's stop that cuz you do that when you get called out on what you are stating. Double talking, "I aint say shoot somebody with a gun, but I am saying somebody need to be shot with a gun"... brotha that's you and your posts.

You are not a single-issue voter, so you want people to not be one, (you are going back and forth with me on it) then you explain the negative aspects of single-issue voting in your terms, you think your way is the better approach, brotha stop with the semantics

Brotha, what?

The people don't care about billionaires paying 0 taxes back, now you jumped from vouchers and being kicked out...ok lets break that down, brotha, if these folks are being kicked out, then this will be their important thing when voting.

They will want to vote for someone who is going to help with them to secure vouchers, or help with the voucher program, these people are not going to worry about other shit. Me, I'm not on vouchers, that's not important to me, so I want something else for my vote. I may be a nigga who want reparations for my vote or I may want cheaper gas or immigration to increase. I am not concerned too much about vouchers....

The average white person isn't concerned about vouchers either, so that's not important to them, some couldn't care less about it, they want more police on the grounds, so this may be their single issue vote.

Why you can't seem to understand this, most Americans only care about shit that's important to them. That's it brotha, You have folks like you who care about other things, and that's fair. You are not the norm when it comes to political stuff.


My mentality? Brotha, I can't save the world, neither can you, you're already in hell, so why I'm trying to call out and save devils, again, let's go with your mindset... Let's call out the billionaires that pays 0 taxes, that trump allows,

So your guy gets in, and now these billionaires are paying 2 million back in taxes, Nigga now you're happy, you still paying back and they are, nothing change but they are now paying back? Kudos, life still goes on. My child is still about to be deported, but you want me to focus on billionaires and their tax cuts, tha'ts stupid, when billionaires know all of the loopholes to keep their tax payments down. the shit is setup for them basically but you want me to focus on that issue, when I got my wife bout to be deported.

Nigga I don't give a shit lol.

Whenever your guy or lady gets in office, there will be some more unethical shit that will be happening on their watch.


Again, you wanna save the world, nigga I wanna save my family 1st and my people, fuck the other side.
 
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Just because you don't flat out say "vote like me" doesn't mean you don't want people to take your approach to voting brotha, let's stop that cuz you do that when you get called out on what you are stating. Double talking, "I aint say shoot somebody with a gun, but I am saying somebody need to be shot with a gun"... brotha that's you and your posts.

You are not a single-issue voter, so you want people to not be one, (you are going back and forth with me on it) then you explain the negative aspects of single-issue voting in your terms, you think your way is the better approach, brotha stop with the semantics

Brotha, what?

The people don't care about billionaires paying 0 taxes back, now you jumped from vouchers and being kicked out...ok lets break that down, brotha, if these folks are being kicked out, then this will be their important thing when voting.

They will want to vote for someone who is going to help with them to secure vouchers, or help with the voucher program, these people are not going to worry about other shit. Me, I'm not on vouchers, that's not important to me, so I want something else for my vote. I may be a nigga who want reparations for my vote or I may want cheaper gas or immigration to increase. I am not concerned too much about vouchers....

The average white person isn't concerned about vouchers either, so that's not important to them, some couldn't care less about it, they want more police on the grounds, so this may be their single issue vote.

Why you can't seem to understand this, most Americans only care about shit that's important to them. That's it brotha, You have folks like you who care about other things, and that's fair. You are not the norm when it comes to political stuff.


My mentality? Brotha, I can't save the world, neither can you, you're already in hell, so why I'm trying to call out and save devils, again, let's go with your mindset... Let's call out the billionaires that pays 0 taxes, that trump allows,

So your guy gets in, and now these billionaires are paying 2 million back in taxes, Nigga now you're happy?

Nigga I don't give a shit lol.

Whenever your guy or lady gets in office, there will be some more unethical shit that will be happening on their watch.


Again, you wanna save the world, nigga I wanna save my family 1st and my people, fuck the other side.

And what you keep failing to realize is that those things you care about don't exist independently of each other. And it would be important to know just how something you support because it's a need may also affect something else that is a need. You keep talking about being selfish and only caring about yourself while advocating for a mentality that handicaps that. Being selfish means getting as much as you can not as little. So why would you purposely restrict what you're asking for down to 1 thing? If the goal is to get only what you need...why only get 1 thing? Why hurt your family by not advocating for as much as you can for them?
 
the stuff that you would spend these hypothetical reparations dollars are going to be taxed like crazy, yet, a billionaire isnt taxed on shit. You are still being fucked
 
And what you keep failing to realize is that those things you care about don't exist independently of each other. And it would be important to know just how something you support because it's a need may also affect something else that is a need. You keep talking about being selfish and only caring about yourself while advocating for a mentality that handicaps that. Being selfish means getting as much as you can not as little. So why would you purposely restrict what you're asking for down to 1 thing? If the goal is to get only what you need...why only get 1 thing? Why hurt your family by not advocating for as much as you can for them?

Brotha, this whole caring about others is why black folks are behind now. I'm so glad we are off that gravy train. Those same people who AP called idoits, those same people who you be in other threads making statements about, you in this reply want me to care for them, make it make sense brotha. Those same Somalis who was scamming and getting it their way, you want me to care about with my 1 and only vote?

Brotha, if I want only 1 thing, that's my right, just like you wanting 20 things, I'm not knocking it.

Again, going back to that example of the mother who doesn't want her husband, child, sister, brother deported, that's all that she wants brotha and who am I or who are you to judge her wants? or even question it?

She has a right to vote, and that's what she wants....and I am at peace with it....


Again, I don't need vouchers, I don't need the 20k on a 400k house, that in itself is a joke, but I'll leave that alone, I am not a 1st time buyer, if I can get somebody to act right if I say, you not getting my vote unless you can get me a check, then that's the road I will take....and others are now taking....
 
the stuff that you would spend these hypothetical reparations dollars are going to be taxed like crazy, yet, a billionaire isnt taxed on shit. You are still being fucked

Now you're just saying anything. We were rocking and rolling with the conversation.
 
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