2026: Back to the randomness

[konceptjones]

well the vast majority of people arent farming veggies or animals so that's off the table.

To monk's point, salvation is free but ministry costs. It would be nice if God just powered everything but that's not the reality we live in. Tithing is more about the believe or practice of sowing and reaping and less about trying to fleece people out of their money.

and there are people who offer all the things O.G. mentioned in addition to a financial offering and there are a lot that don't do a single thing to contribute to the advancement of the kingdom. They don't give anything whether it's a dollar, time or talent.

God doesn't care for your money. Tithing is skewed so people believe that's what it's about, and they use a single line for this:

Malachi 3:6 (from NIV, to make it easier to understand over the KJV)

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

However, there's more context to this:

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
9 As it is written: "They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor; their righteousness endures forever."
10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.
11 You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.
12 This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of the Lord’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God.
13 Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.
14 And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you.
15 Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!

It ain't for the church general fund, the building fund, the pastors clothes, etc, we give what we can, whatever amount is in our hearts to give, to help those in need, and in doing so we abide by God's teachings and will be blessed with abundance.

I've posted about this here and on the IC: The majority of these pastors out here will take one or two lines from a passage and skew it to fit whatever it is they're trying to preach about and it's absolutely infuriating to me. These passages must be taken as a whole in order to really understand what's being said.

 

[Duwop]

The majority of these pastors out here

That's the issue right there. It's not the majority. It's a minority.. But because they are the ones who run these mega churches, people confuse that with the majority.

When the majority of churches are very small, with a small congregation, and struggling to keep the doors open. Only doing it for love of God and his people

For every mega church with a large congregation it's like 50+ small ones.... If not more than that. Because I know of at least 5 churches off the top of my head being ran outta people's houses and in school gymnasiums.

1 outta 50 isn't the majority no matter how you cut it

 

[BlackRain]

That's the issue right there. It's not the majority. It's a minority.. But because they are the ones who run these mega churches, people confuse that with the majority.

When the majority of churches are very small, with a small congregation, and struggling to keep the doors open. Only doing it for love of God and his people

For every mega church with a large congregation it's like 50+ small ones.... If not more than that. Because I know of at least 5 churches off the top of my head being ran outta people's houses and in school gymnasiums.

1 outta 50 isn't the majority no matter how you cut it

Yeah the majority of church's aren't these super large congregations. Especially with our generation going to church less than any other before. Most churches are smaller congregations of people in that direct community.

 

[AP4.0]

God doesn't care for your money. Tithing is skewed so people believe that's what it's about, and they use a single line for this:

Malachi 3:6 (from NIV, to make it easier to understand over the KJV)

6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

However, there's more context to this:

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
9 As it is written: "They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor; their righteousness endures forever."
10 Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.
11 You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.
12 This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of the Lord’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God.
13 Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.
14 And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you.
15 Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!

It ain't for the church general fund, the building fund, the pastors clothes, etc, we give what we can, whatever amount is in our hearts to give, to help those in need, and in doing so we abide by God's teachings and will be blessed with abundance.

I've posted about this here and on the IC: The majority of these pastors out here will take one or two lines from a passage and skew it to fit whatever it is they're trying to preach about and it's absolutely infuriating to me. These passages must be taken as a whole in order to really understand what's being said.

i'm in agreement with you but i think Du and BR's most recent posts highlight that there are a select few who have perverted the true meaning of the tithe and offering.

BUT

it's still an organization that needs monetary contributions to continue. My pastor doesn't take a salary as he has other streams of income but if you want to sow to him for Pastor anniversary or just cause you are in the mood, that is your choice. It's not a requirement.

 

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[konceptjones]

i'm in agreement with you but i think Du and BR's most recent posts highlight that there are a select few who have perverted the true meaning of the tithe and offering.

BUT

it's still an organization that needs monetary contributions to continue. My pastor doesn't take a salary as he has other streams of income but if you want to sow to him for Pastor anniversary or just cause you are in the mood, that is your choice. It's not a requirement.

^^^ See, that's that BULLSHIT I'm talmbout right there. Fuck is a "pastor anniversary"??? Them shits ain't in either of the Bible's I have here at the crib or the other five I have in storage.

 

[AP4.0]

^^^ See, that's that BULLSHIT I'm talmbout right there. Fuck is a "pastor anniversary"??? Them shits ain't in either of the Bible's I have here at the crib or the other five I have in storage.

Ok

Did you see the part where I said it's not a requirement?

You also have to realize there are certain personal sacrifices he also makes to accept his calling to ministry.

I feel like now you just trying to find shit to argue about

 

[konceptjones]

Ok

Did you see the part where I said it's not a requirement?

You also have to realize there are certain personal sacrifices he also makes to accept his calling to ministry.

I feel like now you just trying to find shit to argue about

Naw, I'm not, seriously. I see a lot of things dressed up as being about the church in our community that shouldn't be and really has no place in the church as far as I'm concerned.

Making "personal sacrifices" to answer The Lord's call doesn't mean you get money, gifts, or adoration every year for doing it. That's a load of b.s.

The church we used to go to out here and in Phoenix was Vineyard. At both of them, the pastors worked regular 40+hr a week jobs with the one out here working at, IIRC, a GM plant. They drove normal cars, lived in regular homes. They took nothing from the church and never once was there a "Pastor's Anniversary" in the time that we went. If I were to decide to start going to church again, it would be at Vineyard because the pastors take absolutely nothing from the church. Whatever the church takes in is used for the less fortunate in the community and we were a recipient of that on several occasions in Phoenix when shit was hard.

If a pastor looks to the congregation for praise and "appreciation", then he/she is not in it for the right reasons; their heart is not in the right place. Doing the work that God called you to do and knowingly executing what he laid before you should be fulfillment enough; you wouldn't feel the need to get such adoration from the congregation no matter how well intentioned.

 

[BlackRain]

Celebrating a pastor's anniversary with their church isn't that deep. It's something done by the congregation for their pastor if they choose to. Key word is choose. It's not a requirement and nothing in @AP4.0 post said it was.

And has already been said multiple times there is a difference in collecting money for the church to keep operating vs for personal use. It's clear what the difference is so trying to lump them all together only does a disservice to you.

 

[Duwop]

Shit, even jobs give gifts for milestone work anniversaries

 

[konceptjones]

Celebrating a pastor's anniversary with their church isn't that deep. It's something done by the congregation for their pastor if they choose to. Key word is choose. It's not a requirement and nothing in @AP4.0 post said it was.

And has already been said multiple times there is a difference in collecting money for the church to keep operating vs for personal use. It's clear what the difference is so trying to lump them all together only does a disservice to you.

I also made that contrast myself by talking about how our old church operated. All money that came into the church went towards upkeep for the physical buildings and the grounds, utilities, and the like as well as community outreach and charity programs.

 

[konceptjones]

Shit, even jobs give gifts for milestone work anniversaries

That's cool but that ain't the same.

Serving God should be enough for the pastor. I get that folks will see it differently than I do though.

I guess what it is for me is that I've seen entirely too much corruption in the church in my life to see it any other way and the excuses that the people that attend these churches make for their pastor's bad behavior is absolutely mind blowing. It's really one of the things that keeps me out of the church.

 

[Duwop]

That's cool but that ain't the same.

Serving God should be enough for the pastor. I get that folks will see it differently than I do though.

I guess what it is for me is that I've seen entirely too much corruption in the church in my life to see it any other way and the excuses that the people that attend these churches make for their pastor's bad behavior is absolutely mind blowing. It's really one of the things that keeps me out of the church.

Yeah this is definitely internal...

Cuz I know some STRESSED pastors that's really working 2 jobs coming outta pocket to keep the congregation going. Not to mention all the work you gotta do in regards to helping folks manage their lives as well.... You essentially a therapist, mentor, making house visits, community events... And still gotta find time to be a father and husband.... All while dealing with the image these dudes who are pulling the super church crowd are projecting.

I personally could never do all that. I enjoy my free time way too much. That's why I'm not in the church as much as I could be. I didn't choose to manage a church, I didn't receive the calling to minister on that level. I'll speak up here there, but I ain't tryna put that much of my time into the church. That shit way too demanding.

So if a congregation wants to celebrate the person who is willing to make that kinda sacrifice of their personal life... More power to them all.

 

[BlackRain]

That's cool but that ain't the same.

Serving God should be enough for the pastor. I get that folks will see it differently than I do though.

I guess what it is for me is that I've seen entirely too much corruption in the church in my life to see it any other way and the excuses that the people that attend these churches make for their pastor's bad behavior is absolutely mind blowing. It's really one of the things that keeps me out of the church.

You're assuming because a congregation may choose to celebrate their pastor that he's asking for it. People can choose to celebrate you even when you don't ask for it. Those are usually the ones who get celebrated with the most sincerity.

 

[konceptjones]

You're assuming because a congregation may choose to celebrate their pastor that he's asking for it. People can choose to celebrate you even when you don't ask for it. Those are usually the ones who get celebrated with the most sincerity.

If they choose it, so be it; I have no qualms with that. If that pastor expects it from the congregation, and I'm quite certain many do, then it's a problem in my book.

 

[konceptjones]

Yeah this is definitely internal...

Cuz I know some STRESSED pastors that's really working 2 jobs coming outta pocket to keep the congregation going. Not to mention all the work you gotta do in regards to helping folks manage their lives as well.... You essentially a therapist, mentor, making house visits, community events... And still gotta find time to be a father and husband.... All while dealing with the image these dudes who are pulling the super church crowd are projecting.

I personally could never do all that. I enjoy my free time way too much. That's why I'm not in the church as much as I could be. I didn't choose to manage a church, I didn't receive the calling to minister on that level. I'll speak up here there, but I ain't tryna put that much of my time into the church. That shit way too demanding.

So if a congregation wants to celebrate the person who is willing to make that kinda sacrifice of their personal life... More power to them all.

The Good Reverend, aka "My Moms", has hinted over the years that I'll probably end up as the head of a church on some destiny-type shits. To which I will nearly rip my eye muscles side-eyeing her 'cause that ain't a life I'm built for. Besides, my ass would prolly wind up as a super villain pastor or some shit making Creflo and 'nem look like saints.

 

[Duwop]

The Good Reverend, aka "My Moms", has hinted over the years that I'll probably end up as the head of a church on some destiny-type shits. To which I will nearly rip my eye muscles side-eyeing her 'cause that ain't a life I'm built for. Besides, my ass would prolly wind up as a super villain pastor or some shit making Creflo and 'nem look like saints.

Yup

Projection

 

[konceptjones]

Yup

Projection

Nah b, I was making a joke.

 

[BlackRain]

If they choose it, so be it; I have no qualms with that. If that pastor expects it from the congregation, and I'm quite certain many do, then it's a problem in my book.

You wouldn't know the bold from your posts in here but ok lol. As for the rest...it's an assumption you couldn't really prove especially with "many" being an invisible number

 

[Golan]

Idk maybe Jussie was telling the truth, idk.