ICE Protest/Riot Thread

BlackRain said:
The bold has been asked and answered repeatedly. For one...it's not the same shit. 2. The way it's being done ie "carry your citizenship papers if you don't want to be stopped" was not being done under Biden or Obama. They managed to deport more illegals without the chaos. That should tell you that this is different.

And as big as border security was a talking point during Biden’s administration you can't rightfully say people were giving 0 fucks because it's been a consistent talking point or else "build the wall" would've never been a thing
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Nah, Obama's ICE and BP were just snatching up whole families, fuck "show me your papers". And even when folks begged and pleaded with them to show their papers to prove they were citizens, their pleas fell on deaf ears. There were full blown citizens that were deported anyways. And there was chaos, that's why 150 immigrant rights organizations banded together to denounce Obama's immigration practices.

It was a talking point under Biden because we were seeing people cross the Rio Grande and other southern border points with impunity. At the same time, he managed to deport more people than Trump. It's sleight of hand: Focus on one thing so you don't see the other action in play.

I guess what I don't understand is: Why it's so difficult for anyone to acknowledge that these three presidents shared a common goal and even many common practices when it comes to immigration when the facts are presented? Yes, I said earlier in the thread that Trump is loud and brags about his shit whereas Obama and Biden were tight-lipped, but at the end of the day the same shit was going on under all three presidents in some form or fashion. Why is that so difficult to admit?
 
Freeman said:
Was Obama using border patrol to harrass and detain US citizens of color or was he deporting criminals and illegals with just cause as he should have been?

Deportation isn't the actual issue. The issue is using deportation as a guise to discriminate and harass US citizens.

Smh. 🤦🏿
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@ the bolded: Absolutely! And it's very, very well documented! I've posted examples of it throughout this thread but here's another one:

Latest Report on Obama Immigration Program Highlights Racial Profiling | ACLU

www.aclu.org www.aclu.org
 
The right is just going to keep making up boogeyman to scare and trick idiots into thinking their lives will be better so long as they're punching down on somebody else. Hell just a few years ago it was "critical race theory will destroy your kids". They know their base just wants to feel like they're not at the bottom so as long as there is somebody non white they can point the finger at then white folks in mass will keep looking the other way
 
konceptjones said:
Nah, Obama's ICE and BP were just snatching up whole families, fuck "show me your papers". And even when folks begged and pleaded with them to show their papers to prove they were citizens, their pleas fell on deaf ears. There were full blown citizens that were deported anyways. And there was chaos, that's why 150 immigrant rights organizations banded together to denounce Obama's immigration practices.

It was a talking point under Biden because we were seeing people cross the Rio Grande and other southern border points with impunity. At the same time, he managed to deport more people than Trump. It's sleight of hand: Focus on one thing so you don't see the other action in play.

I guess what I don't understand is: Why it's so difficult for anyone to acknowledge that these three presidents shared a common goal and even many common practices when it comes to immigration when the facts are presented? Yes, I said earlier in the thread that Trump is loud and brags about his shit whereas Obama and Biden were tight-lipped, but at the end of the day the same shit was going on under all three presidents in some form or fashion. Why is that so difficult to admit?
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It's not difficult because people acknowledge that all the time what Obama and Biden did in terms of immigration. But you answered your own question. Trump is loud and bragging about it. Also that he ran on "Biden flooded the country with illegals" so to your point about people not being more loud about Biden’s deportation numbers blame Trump because he ran on how little was being done and some people believe it. When you got trump openly embracing white South Africans and saying shit like "civil rights was terrible for white people" while in the midst of what's going on with ICE then the combination leads to what you're seeing now.

And unless you can show me ice agents shooting us citizens in the street then nah there's a difference here with how they're moving with impunity
 
Freeman said:
So you're saying 1. Obama was directing and using ice agents to disproportionately discriminate against people of color as means to harrass, detain and deport them and 2. That that makes it okay for trump to do.
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You never once read that from me. You made that shit up in your own mind. You're literally doing the same shit as this meme:

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I'm saying its wrong universally, and I've been saying that. But I've also been giving a bit of perspective by letting y'all, who are so outraged at Trump, know that none of this shit is new and has been happening since Obama took office.
 
konceptjones said:
You never once read that from me. You made that shit up in your own mind. You're literally doing the same shit as this meme:

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I'm saying its wrong universally, and I've been saying that. But I've also been giving a bit of perspective by letting y'all, who are so outraged at Trump, know that none of this shit is new and has been happening since Obama took office.
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Even if the false parallels you're drawing were accurate what can any of us do about that today. If you acknowledge its universally wrong what are we doing right now?
 
konceptjones said:
You never once read that from me. You made that shit up in your own mind. You're literally doing the same shit as this meme:

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I'm saying its wrong universally, and I've been saying that. But I've also been giving a bit of perspective by letting y'all, who are so outraged at Trump, know that none of this shit is new and has been happening since Obama took office.
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Black and Freeman have already said it but if the uptick in criticism seems out of the blue, it's because Trump made more people pay attention to it whereas they probably were ignorant to it during the Obama administration
 
AP4.0 said:
Black and Freeman have already said it but if the uptick in criticism seems out of the blue, it's because Trump made more people pay attention to it whereas they probably were ignorant to it during the Obama administration
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I've said it myself repeatedly.
 
konceptjones said:
You're right, Obama was worse. Far worse than any other president when it comes to immigration. He deported more people than every president before him for the previous 100 years combined.

"Whataboutism" is usually invoked when someone has no explanation for whatever has been posed to them as a method to shut someone up and get them to move past whatever it is they cannot deal with or explain like Red talmbout "Oh that was different".

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Was ICE kicking in doors and shooting at citizens under Obama? Like did they shoot a citizen in the face?

Also when did Obama have the national guard in major cities? Why do the compare and contrast?
 
RandomOne said:
The whatboutism just seems like deflection to me. If some previous president snatched up more people and deported them without due process than that was wrong back then too but that's in the past and we're trying to stop it now
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What’s hilarious is that Obama was getting flack for his mass deportations too.

Also we didn’t see any police department chiefs saying their officers were
Getting boxed in and guns pulled by ICE under Obama.

Folks know the shit now and the shit back then are completely.
 
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Freeman said:
Its like maga saying democrats are in the Epstein files. Nigga so? Send them to hell too. You're intentionally looking past the issue to point at something no one gives a fuck about right now. You sound dumb af.
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I'm focused on the issue but giving historical context that, apparently, you were unaware of and are unwilling to accept.
 
SeaSnake said:
Was ICE kicking in doors and shooting at citizens under Obama? Like did they shoot a citizen in the face?

Also when did Obama have the national guard in major cities? Why do the compare and contrast?
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The National Guard is separate from this. Stay focused.

Were they kicking in doors and snatching people out of homes, cars, and courthouses? Yes. And I've provided enough documentation on that.

Was a citizen shot by ICE or BP under Obama? Not that I'm aware of.
 
konceptjones said:
I'm focused on the issue but giving historical context that, apparently, you were unaware of and are unwilling to accept.
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Again even if it was true that Obama and Trump were doing the exact same thing. Why does that matter today if you understand it is wrong?
 
konceptjones said:
The National Guard is separate from this. Stay focused.

Were they kicking in doors and snatching people out of homes, cars, and courthouses? Yes. And I've provided enough documentation on that.

Was a citizen shot by ICE or BP under Obama? Not that I'm aware of.
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Then despite how you're trying...there's an escalation of things currently happening that didn't before. Again you're answering your own questions
 
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