OPINION Contradictions and Lies! Exposing the Democratic Party

ChicagoFigure said:
Zoom out a lil more. Lesser of two evils is a doom loop. Status quo makes it easy for the next candidate to make "breaking the system" sound attractive when they feel like they been getting nowhere regardless of the promises they keep hearing but not being kept.

Status quo doesn't work.
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Similar to what tay just said but let me expound a bit more

I do not see in our lifetime a change in the two party system on the federal level

So you're going to either play the game or not play it

I agree with your sentiment but just want to add that I don't think under the current system, there is going to be any candidate that's going to break the system so I have to ask myself, what things am I going to be ok with within this system

I've already listed a few things that would've at minimum remained the same under Kamala. Even if the bar is in hell, the only direction a better candidate can go is up

Saying, hmm, the bar is in hell but I wonder what's lower than that is what's happening now

Bill Burr has a joke where he says, at no point in history, would he wanna be anything other than white, or something to that. But now we are living in a time where white people are making decisions cause of some falsehood of being pushed out of the workplace, society, etc. They are victims in this make believe world they've fabricated out of thin air and have convinced poor whites, Hispanics, Indians, etc that they too should feel the same about others.

I still contend Kamala, whether status quo or slightly better is infinitely better than what the everyday American has currently under this administration
 
AP4.0 said:
I also feel like a majority of this site suffers from single issue voting.

Because it doesn't directly impact you, you don't see the benefit of ensuring the best of the candidates, or lesser of the two evils gets elected

So say that Democrats will keep things status quo. If that means millions of Americans snap benefits remain in tact and aren't in jeopardy of losing healthcare coverage, I'll certainly take that over the other option that touts tariffs are going to incentivize companies to do business here or claiming they will drop the price of eggs (which they haven't done) while the price of every fucking thing else goes up.

Or the option that is removing history from schools, delegitimizes scientific proven studies in the name of conspiracy

How is Kamala Harris worse than ANY of this shit??
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Anybody who says Kamala would be worse than this is either brainwashed or intentionally being contrarian

 
Tayboo said:
The problem with this line of thinking is that most people who are against "the status quo" don't have any solutions to make the system better.
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Take money out of politics
Rank choice voting
Lift the restrictions that both mainstream parties use to hinder 3rd parties from having a chance

Just a few off top.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
Take money out of politics
Rank choice voting
Lift the restrictions that both mainstream parties use to hinder 3rd parties from having a chance

Just a few off top.
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Great, which politicians do we currently have that are willing to completely break off from the 2 party system and do the hard work to make these changes? And don't say Bernie Sanders, he likes to rides the fence too much and be a Democrat when it's convenient for him.
 
Mr BFK said:
SMH look at her campaign races for 1

once she brought megan the stallion out to twerk for her I knew she was truly unserious

I cant recall a single policy she ran on or promoted other than don't vote for the other side


she can't stand next to any other politician and be seen as a real candidate that going to do anything but just wear the title for sake of her own ego 🙁
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This is so much better right
 
Tayboo said:
Great, which politicians do we currently have that are willing to completely break off from the 2 party system and do the hard work to make these changes? And don't say Bernie Sanders, he likes to rides the fence too much and be a Democrat when it's convenient for him.
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There are none that are prominent enough bc when you vote for status quo u literally vote against making changes.
 
AP4.0 said:
Similar to what tay just said but let me expound a bit more

I do not see in our lifetime a change in the two party system on the federal level

So you're going to either play the game or not play it

I agree with your sentiment but just want to add that I don't think under the current system, there is going to be any candidate that's going to break the system so I have to ask myself, what things am I going to be ok with within this system

I've already listed a few things that would've at minimum remained the same under Kamala. Even if the bar is in hell, the only direction a better candidate can go is up

Saying, hmm, the bar is in hell but I wonder what's lower than that is what's happening now

Bill Burr has a joke where he says, at no point in history, would he wanna be anything other than white, or something to that. But now we are living in a time where white people are making decisions cause of some falsehood of being pushed out of the workplace, society, etc. They are victims in this make believe world they've fabricated out of thin air and have convinced poor whites, Hispanics, Indians, etc that they too should feel the same about others.

I still contend Kamala, whether status quo or slightly better is infinitely better than what the everyday American has currently under this administration
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So if u acknowledge the system is broken and none of these politicians are going to even attempt to fix it in our lifetime do u then acknowledge the candidates u vote for, including Kamala, are part of the problem?
 
ChicagoFigure said:
So if u acknowledge the system is broken and none of these politicians are going to even attempt to fix it in our lifetime do u then acknowledge the candidates u vote for, including Kamala, are part of the problem?
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Yes

But I also don't want to see everything burn up in flames
 
AP4.0 said:
These solutions are not as viable as you claim they are

Ftr I agree all this shit needs to go
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Why aren't they viable and are there any others u have in mind?

AP4.0 said:
Again, Kamala wasn't the perfect candidate by any means but she was light-years better than the options we were presented to select from
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Yup and the next Dem candidate will be better than the next GOP candidate next election and the one after that and the one after that yet regardless who wins quality of life gets worse for us while they get richer. Doom loop.
 
I had no clue that there were all these sincere Kamala fans in here 🙁

yet none of ya'll willing to admit why her presidential campaign failed.....she was dead last when she ran




I also noticed no one in here was willing to say they would've voted for her over Michelle tho

and I can agree that Kamala was set up to fail because she didn't have enough time to set up a legit campaign

but ya'll ain't willing to admit that she was only in that position because she was chosen as default with her being VP

it's highly likely she wouldn't have been chosen by Dem voters if she had to legit compete
 
Mr BFK said:
I had no clue that there were all these sincere Kamala fans in here 🙁

yet none of ya'll willing to admit why her presidential campaign failed.....she was dead last when she ran




I also noticed no one in here was willing to say they would've voted for her over Michelle tho

and I can agree that Kamala was set up to fail because she didn't have enough time to set up a legit campaign

but ya'll ain't willing to admit that she was only in that position because she was chosen as default with her being VP

it's highly likely she wouldn't have been chosen by Dem voters if she had to legit compete
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The bold shows you just talking to be talking because that's been discussed ad nauseum. And Michelle Obama wouldn't have been a good candidate either. Mostly because of her expressed disinterest in ever holding political office. Your framing things as people being fans of Kamala is also telling in how you view politicians which is part of the problem. These people shouldn't have "fans". Now you gonna get to those policies you missed or you still focused on *insert celeb endorsement here* that you admittedly let distract you into think trump was better?
 
BlackRain said:
So you admit trump is an international embarrassment yet somehow think he's still doing better than Kamala would have done and he's been a better politician. Those 2 contradictory thoughts don't coexist well. Either that or you think that low of Kamala. The majority of the country disagrees with the moves trump has made as being good and you can see the effects in real time. So saying they can be seen as good is factually incorrect.
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by many objective metrics trump is a better politician whether u agree with his shitty leadership or not

the fact he's been able to build himself a cult of supporters while also being someone who has actually shit on and took advantage of his same voter base

mofo has never worked a legit job his entire life, is known for cheating/taking advantage of working people, was born to money, didn't serve in the military and directly insults veterans..........

yet he's managed to get re-elected twice and we still ain't willing to acknowledge he's a better politician


this why we are where we are today cuz Dems refuse to see the lesson
 
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