Tipping At A Restaurant

Knock_Twice said:
When you installed CD decks for folks, were you expecting tips?
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Nah. Not at all.

Best Buy gave us commissions based on what we installed so I wasn't pressed. My base hourly was either $7/hr or $9/hr back then (1994, kinda hard to remember which it was) and after the commissions I was right around the equivalent of $12-13/hr on any given week. The $9/hr was enough 'cause back then minimum wage was $4.25/hr. We were getting like $5 or $6 on the floor so that upgrade was more than enough to keep me happy in those days.

However, when I worked for a couple of local chains around Detroit, on big or difficult jobs I'd talk the customer into sliding the installer a tip.
 
Knock_Twice said:
Let me ask you this:

Do you think owners should pay the waiters a livable wage? yes or no?

Edit, you stated, that they should in the last post. Good, you agree with me and KC.

That's all we are saying bud.

By the owners not paying the waiters a livable wage, that's why "tipping" is encourage more in the restaurant setting than any where else.

If owners paid waiters a livable wage (like other owners/establishments do), do you think that society should tip waiters?
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No what you tried to say was some shit i never actually said to shoehorn in your point. You confused yourself by not actually reading what was being said and your logic behind not tipping simply doesn't hold up because the person you're already paying the owner.

And yeah I actually do think even with a livable wage waiters should be tipped based on the quality of their service due to the nature of the job. Same way people tip their barber or hairdresser even though even though they have set prices and you don't have to do it.
 
konceptjones said:
Who??? What idiot is going to forego a solid, steady paycheck to getting tipped for potentially less money???

I was the best floor salesman my Best Buy location had in the home/car audio department and that was without commission. Some folks just do the job as best as they could whether they're getting tips or commission or not; I was one of them.
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People make decisions like that every day.
 
Duwop said:
You act like niggaz can hop on a bus to Paris to work at a restaurant that pays more.
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Duwop said:
America restaurants don't have to pay a competitive rate to restaurants in a different country bruh. The reach you're making is literally across international borders with complete different economics that would factor into wages as well.

It's not a comparable at all.

Teachers make way more in other countries as well. Lots of jobs pay different internationally
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My whole point is that other western countries dont tip, pay their employees a living wage & somehow are still in business. Its almost like restaurateurs over here are greedy and ly............. 😐
 
2 things remain constant over the 10 years that ive followed this.

First, restaurant owners in America love acting like they dont make any money and they only do it for love of serving food. They'll say all sorta things to try and throw you off. They love talking about low margins or their favorite, the percentage of restaurants that fail. When you hear they number some people might be shocked, but if you ever look up the number of businesses that fail in general, its not that shocking. A lot of people open restaurants that dont know how to run a business, or cook, so they fail. Its nothing shocking.

The second thing is servers act like they have the hardest most underpaid job ever. Complain about having to stand long, how they only make money from tips yet the ironic thing is most of the time they are making more than the cooks making the food in the back or the people they're complaining to. These people have to do all those same things while making less money but they're whining and demanding more % in tips.

Let me end this by pointing out that these poor restaurant owners some how can afford to have a strong lobby. Its so strong that they've made sure the federal min wage for servers has stayed the same since 1991. Nineteen ninety fucking one. And every time it comes up they literally say the same thing, that they cant afford for it to be higher. We arnt the only country with restaurants. The run them in a bunch of other western countries and make enough to turn a profit AND pay their workers and hourly living wage. But the wealthiest country on the planet cant afford to do it. Like come on.

This is like the argument with stores and self check outs. Clearly they're lying but somehow there are people that will take up arms to defend them.
 
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National Restaurant Association Faces Allegations of Hindering Tipped Wage Reform - Davis Vanguard

The National Restaurant Association has been using lobbying, misinformation, and worker messaging to preserve the subminimum wage for tipped workers, keeping millions of them at base pay as low as $2.13 an hour.
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How Restaurant Workers Help Pay for Lobbying to Keep Their Wages Low (Published 2023)

The National Restaurant Association uses mandatory $15 food-safety classes to turn waiters and cooks into unwitting funders of its battle against minimum wage increases.
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'Beyond Outrageous': Bombshell Report Uncovers Restaurant Lobby's Anti-Worker Scheme | Common Dreams

Labor advocates voiced outrage Tuesday in response to a New York Times investigation detailing how the powerful National Restaurant Association uses mandatory food-safety courses—which workers often pay for out of their own pockets—to help finance its campaigns against wage increases.
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Labor advocates voiced outrage Tuesday in response to a New York Times investigation detailing how the powerful National Restaurant Association uses mandatory food-safety courses—which workers often pay for out of their own pockets—to help finance its campaigns against wage increases.

The Times reported that the restaurant lobby and its affiliates have created “an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying.”
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They did so, according to the newspaper, by taking over a food-safety training business known as ServSafe and pressuring states to “mandate the kind of training they already provided—producing a flood of paying customers.”

“The company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fundraising arm of the National Restaurant Association—the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses,” the Times noted. “The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.”

Saru Jayaraman, the president of One Fair Wage—a national group that advocates for workers earning subminimum wages—said in a statement that “the National Restaurant Association was founded to suppress service workers’ wages.”
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LurkerSix said:
You implied it when you said this.


Because America is the only country pushing this tipping stuff, in other countries they dont tip out servers. So you are implying their service is terrible or they dont have nice restaurants outside the US
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This is negative. I have been to many other countries. Some of them are big on tipping. Egypt was one of them. Panama was another.
 
LurkerSix said:
Were you in the tourist traps full of americans that think you are supposed to tip? I been heard other countries are doing this more and more in the tourist traps to get more money out of goofy americans.
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Egypt has a lot of poverty. That's why they want tips.

Panama, I was in the downtown region. The finance district. All the restaurants wanted tips.
 
As long as restaurants are allowed to basically not pay their workers, people should tip. Yes, it's a stupid system, but we shouldn't punish the workers because of that.

That said, tipping for other stuff is weird to me. We were having a conversation at work about tipping tattoo artists. A guy just got a new sleeve and he didn't tip the artist. Some young chicks were appalled like "He spent 10 hours with you. How could he not tip." Dude's answer was "I spent $1200. He got paid for his time." I'm with him 100%. The tattoo artist basically got $120 an hour for that tattoo. I'm sure that's not all profit as he has other expenses, but he was fairly compensated. I don't get why there is an expectation for tipping people who are actually getting paid correctly. I'm not saying you can't tip for impeccable service, but it shouldn't be seen as mandatory.
 
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BlackRain said:
No what you tried to say was some shit i never actually said to shoehorn in your point. You confused yourself by not actually reading what was being said and your logic behind not tipping simply doesn't hold up because the person you're already paying the owner.

And yeah I actually do think even with a livable wage waiters should be tipped based on the quality of their service due to the nature of the job. Same way people tip their barber or hairdresser even though even though they have set prices and you don't have to do it.
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Let me explain this to you once again because you wanna be right so bad, my OG point of all this, 1. Tipping is not a requirement because a nigga is doing their JOB, that's their JOB TO DO.

2. Owners (I don't give a shit if a owner makes 100 million dollars in profit or make 3 dollars in profit) should pay workers a livable wage.
The point is an Owner of ANY establishment should pay their workers a livable wage (You are talking about they are already have my money once I buy the food) I don't give a shit about that, that wasn't even my point or the argument, you injected that stupid shit into play to be contrary because it's me and you had to add your garbage into the equation. I'm talking about owners should pay their workers a livable wage nigga. Fuck what the owners make as profits etc or whatever shit you are trying to pry into the discussion

3. The example I made up was a waiter being paid a dollar wage, in which that waiter has "chose" to work for a dollar (NOT MY FAULT) (I don't give a shit) If a nigga wanna kick a can down the street for 2 dollars, by all means do that, that's their choice, Hoes be hoes everyday, that's their choice. Nobody's putting a gun to your head to go and work for pennies. (This is not a pity party nigga) Woe ass me nigga.



4. Nigga learn how to read the room and understand what's being discussed.

5. I stated that most folks provide services, based on you and du's logic, everybody should get tips, whether it's hairdressers, barbers, people who cut grass, the trash man, the crossing guards, the blackjack or crap shooter, the person who cooks your meals, the person who bags your groceries, I can keep going, again, by you and du's logic, everybody who provides a service, (no matter the pay) it's the service as you said in which I highlighted so you won't crawfish your way back on the goofy shit you said, by that logic (giving a service in which most people do) everybody should get a tip

Keep the shit consistent, because everybody provides a service. KC said he installed CD players, he should get a tip based off you and Du's logic. Beta cuts grass on Saturdays, he should get tips based off of what you and Du said. "THE SERVICE" I'm saying NO, IT"S YOUR JOB

Yall don't go around tipping everybody for THEIR SERVICES (regardless of their wage). Let's cut the bullshit, and I'm saying everybody "Not Most" or Not When I have it.... Let's cut the bullshit out.

6. Merry Christmas nigga.
 
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Duwop said:
Knock the king of putting words in niggas mouths
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Man what I say that you or that nigga aint say? I highlighted the shit he said.

If a nigga got paid 30 dollars an hour at a restaurant, should folks tips? I bumped the wage from 16 dollars to 30 dollars (It's the service that's why we are tipping) so that's a yes from YOU AND HIM


I am saying ok...Kool...Let's just keep that same energy for ALL SERVICES that people do. Let's not just limit it to certain jobs/professions.
 
You win bruh.
I don't know what the fuck I was talking about. You clearly don't either. But you win.
 
Say @du
Duwop said:
You win bruh.
I don't know what the fuck I was talking about. You clearly don't either. But you win.
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Man don't do that. We keep the threads jumping bro.

You one of the strongest posters on here to chop the shit with bro, Get up Craig lol
 
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