Tipping At A Restaurant

Duwop said:
Where did I say only?
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You implied it when you said this.
Duwop said:
If owners paid their servers say $20 an hour, and did not require patrons to tip....

They'd struggle to find good servers.

Good servers are like good salesmen.

Really good sales job have low base pay because the commission is what really determines how much they bring home. And if the base pay was better with limited or no commission.... You lose really good sales people who know they can make elsewhere.

It's all service industry. Tipped positions are all over the place, but the only ones niggas complain about is restaurants.

Yes people work those jobs for the tips... No one works those jobs because it's a livable wage... It what's keep the service enthused.

You want McDonald's level service at a nice restaurant??
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Because America is the only country pushing this tipping stuff, in other countries they dont tip out servers. So you are implying their service is terrible or they dont have nice restaurants outside the US
 
Duwop said:
It's not some independent conspiracy on the owners.... It's the culture of the service industry.

If owners paid their servers say $20 an hour, and did not require patrons to tip....

They'd struggle to find good servers.

Good servers are like good salesmen.

Really good sales job have low base pay because the commission is what really determines how much they bring home. And if the base pay was better with limited or no commission.... You lose really good sales people who know they can make elsewhere.

Shits only an issue when people get shorted on a regular. A decent server or bartender can make $5-600 a night at the right spot. I've seen it in action too many times.

Niggaz don't complain about tipping strippers. You think they making $40-$50k a year without tips?

Imagine a nigga going in a strip club like

"Why I gotta give these chicks money, why can't the strip club owner just pay them more?

It's all service industry. Tipped positions are all over the place, but the only ones niggas complain about is restaurants.

You know how much bell hops and valets make at nice hotels? Shit.... You know how much they get tipped?? Lots...

Yes people work those jobs for the tips... No one works those jobs because it's a livable wage... It what's keep the service enthused.

You want McDonald's level service at a nice restaurant??
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Help me understand your POV,

If you open up a bar, or a restaurant, how much are you paying your waiters and bartenders? vs how much the average waiter and bartender makes?
 
LurkerSix said:
You implied it when you said this.


Because America is the only country pushing this tipping stuff, in other countries they dont tip out servers. So you are implying their service is terrible or they dont have nice restaurants outside the US
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America restaurants don't have to pay a competitive rate to restaurants in a different country bruh. The reach you're making is literally across international borders with complete different economics that would factor into wages as well.

It's not a comparable at all.

Teachers make way more in other countries as well. Lots of jobs pay different internationally
 
Knock_Twice said:
Same question but different take:

iF you open up a tech store or inspection/tire place, how much would you pay your workers?
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The competitive rate of the area. It's always the same answer bruh. You pay your employees what that field makes in that area.
 
Knock_Twice said:
Gotcha.

Let's say for example, the average rate is 2 dollars per hour? Who fault is it that they sign up to make 2 dollars an hour which is set by you?
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I don't understand how fault is at play here. If I'm just starting out and desperate for help, I'm prolly going to offer more just to get people in the door. But once I'm established, no one coming of the streets is going to get that same offer.
 
Duwop said:
The competitive rate of the area. It's always the same answer bruh. You pay your employees what that field makes in that area.
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If 100 people move into a brand-new town, and 4 folks open a bar in said town, call it ABW town, Northside, Southside, Eastside and Westside of this town all have bars or restaurants,

Who sets the rate for those waiters to be paid?
 
Knock_Twice said:
Ok.

Gotcha Gotcha

Who sets the rate in those fields?
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The industry norm. You do your research and find out. It's not like you just make up some shit in your head, or what you feel is fair. You take the time, learn the industry, and put together a model that works for your investment.
 
Duwop said:
I don't understand how fault is at play here. If I'm just starting out and desperate for help, I'm prolly going to offer more just to get people in the door. But once I'm established, no one coming of the streets is going to get that same offer.
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It's a choice, I shouldn't have said (fault) my mistake, but is it a person choice if they want to work for $2 dollars an hour?

If you as an owner is established, making money I assume, why not offer the same pay to new employees? That doesn't make sense.

Your foundation is set, the ball is rolling, you would want to offer more pay to a person vs less?
 
Duwop said:
The industry norm. You do your research and find out. It's not like you just make up some shit in your head, or what you feel is fair. You take the time, learn the industry, and put together a model that works for your investment.
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Who made it the industry norm to pay a waiter (in this example) 2 dollars?
 
Knock_Twice said:
If 100 people move into a brand-new town, and 4 folks open a bar in said town, call it ABW town, Northside, Southside, Eastside and Westside of this town all have bars or restaurants,

Who sets the rate for those waiters to be paid?
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This is a ridiculous hypothetical that's woefully ignorant to an entire industry.

Hopefully the people running those restaurants have experience in the industry and know how to set up a business plan that's sustainable in that market. But a town of 100 people likely isn't going to have 4 restaurants.

And honestly a town that small, the owner wouldn't have to hire anyone and could run the shit themselves.
 
Knock_Twice said:
It's a choice, I shouldn't have said (fault) my mistake, but is it a person choice if they want to work for $2 dollars an hour?

If you as an owner is established, making money I assume, why not offer the same pay to new employees? That doesn't make sense.

Your foundation is set, the ball is rolling, you would want to offer more pay to a person vs less?
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If you're starting the business and need people, because you have no people, it's not our of the norm to offer more as an incentive to build a staff
But once the need for new people is gone, you aren't inclined to offer that invective anymore.

Kinda how police departments who don't have a lotta police offer signing bonuses..
 
Duwop said:
If you're starting the business and need people, because you have no people, it's not our of the norm to offer more as an incentive to build a staff
But once the need for new people is gone, you aren't inclined to offer that invective anymore.

Kinda how police departments who don't have a lotta police offer signing bonuses..
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Using your logic,

You just started a new job as you stated a few days ago, Congrats big dawg, but should those people pay yo ass less of a salary since they are already up and running?

Using your own logic to fit your real life
 
Knock_Twice said:
Who made it the industry norm to pay a waiter (in this example) 2 dollars?
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No one person makes that determination. You do your research. You can't..... Well you shouldn't open a business without doing your research first. You have to go around and find out what people are making. You have to find out what people are being tipped on average in that area. People may be willing to work for $2 an hour because they're from that actual community have tons of regulars who are very tip heavy....

You could offer them $10 an hour, but it's way outta their community, there's no established following, and the people there are tight because they aren't even used to the place.

People don't realize opening a new restaurant is one of the worst possible investments of all time

Name is everything in a restaurant... If you don't have a recognizable name, the clock is running to how long that establishment stays open. That's why you see so many restaurants come and go, it's not an easy thing to figure out.

I've seen places open that service industry folks bragged about having good wages only for the place to fizzle out in less than a year because the amount of customers was not making up whatever they were paying their employees....

If your restaurant is slow.... You gonna have to let people go honestly..

That's how I lost my job, we got slow
. The owner wemt thru a divorce and sent his youngest to college. He sold his house, moved into a apartment, and had enough free time in his hands to run the place himself instead of paying me. And considering he's the owner he doesn't have to pay himself... He just runs it... He was saving tons of money by letting me go
 
konceptjones said:
This is the mindfuck I mentioned in another thread. These owners successfully put their staff against the customers over tipping to keep the focus off of their absurdly low hourly wages.
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Greed.

But the mindfuck or question that I would like to ask you, would you work somewhere for $2.00 an hour?

Not knocking anybody who do it, please do it, so you won't be out here trying to rob my ass for coins, get yo coins, but I want to understand the POV of a person over 30 that chooses to do this and still (like in the video) complain to folks in the US about tipping.
 
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