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The Lonious Monk said:
I concede that a lot of rap promotes negativity and that can be damaging. I'm not saying negative rap is harmless. I just don't think it's impact is as significant as you believe. I feel like if people black people could get past the internal and external problems that plague our community, Hip Hop would be less of a problem.



That kinda proves that Hip Hop isn't the problem for us though doesn't it? Hip Hop has spread all over the world. Pretty much every country has its own Hip Hop scene complete with their version of drill, gangsta, and whatever other negative subgenre you can name, yet their communities haven't be thrown into disarray. That must mean that Hip Hop in and of itself isn't the problem.
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by ur logic in the bolded/underlined u are basically saying there must be something inherently wrong with Black people since no other groups suffer from the same negative effects to the same extent



however my point stands that the culture is toxic period......no different than saying smoking/drinking/overeating/insert whatever vice here is bad for your health

ya'll arguing extremes as if I'm saying niggaz are only doing dumb shit solely becuz of the music

when all I've been saying is the shit isn't good for us period......no matter how much/little u consume of it, it's not good for us

even if hip hop is not the core problem (which no one said it was), it's still a problem for our community

there's no real benefit to the shit at this point, which is why I see the shit no different morally than porn




@BlackRain u said making music is different than fucking on camera as if porn has been proven to be worse

but how many of us have beefed to the point of killing each other over porn tho? I can argue rap has an even worse impact than porn on our communities 🙁
 
Mr BFK said:
by ur logic in the bolded/underlined u are basically saying there must be something inherently wrong with Black people since no other groups suffer from the same negative effects to the same extent



however my point stands that the culture is toxic period......no different than saying smoking/drinking/overeating/insert whatever vice here is bad for your health

ya'll arguing extremes as if I'm saying niggaz are only doing dumb shit solely becuz of the music

when all I've been saying is the shit isn't good for us period......no matter how much/little u consume of it, it's not good for us

even if hip hop is not the core problem (which no one said it was), it's still a problem for our community

there's no real benefit to the shit at this point, which is why I see the shit no different morally than porn




@BlackRain u said making music is different than fucking on camera as if porn has been proven to be worse

but how many of us have beefed to the point of killing each other over porn tho? I can argue rap has an even worse impact than porn on our communities 🙁
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I'd counter by saying were those beefs started over rap or were they personal/street issues that were expressed through rap music because those are 2 different things. Niggas who've actually died ain't dying because of rap songs. They're dying because of street beefs that they're in regardless if they're a rapper or not.

You also keep saying that nobody is saying hip hop is the core problem which is false because that's th3 entire basis of this discussion. You're arguing something different than what popped this entire thing off. That's why I said go back and read that 99% comment because that's what you're defending and you admit you don't agree with that. The entire basis is the dumbass belief that rap music is making Black peopl3 do dumb shit. If I actually thought that little of Black people then I wouldn't be trying to counter that. The only way you can actually believe that bullshit is if you do actually think less of Black people
 
Inori said:
lmao that doofy ass nigga is NOT considered famous.. and anyone who thinks he is should re-evaluate some things. His wife is famous tho.

As to the answer to the rest of your questions.. silly muhfuckas do silly shit.

Lets not act like there aint plenty videos of drunkass cacs shooting beer cans in the middle of the woods and doing other dumb shit on video for the world to see.

Stupid muhfuckas gon be stupid regardless of the culture they come from.

*shrugs*
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"famous" is prob the wrong word to describe this guy.......maybe just known enough that he could be recognized by more than just the casual fan of Nicki Minaj

I don't know the right word for being more than casually known by locals/relatives.........but best believe he being identified by the hip hop community if he just walking the street

hence all this attention for him beefing with a well known hip hop artist :yikes1:


BlackRain said:
So simply being married to Nicki Minaj now means he's "part of rap music"? Thats a reach. Those were some old past their time niggas doing shit that had nothing to do with music. That's a personal beef they're taking public. Everytime a rapper or somebody they know does something stupid don't mean it's cuz of rap music
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I don't completely disagree with ur logic

but let's not pretend like this mofo isn't associated with the culture just cuz u don't personally cosign his antics.......why u think mofos even care about this situation vs other random beef between niggaz every day

hell basketball wives get clout for being associated with NBA players.......just cuz they never dribbled a ball doesn't mean they aren't considered a part of that culture.........they literally make tv shows off of side relatives cuz they are considered part of the "culture"
 
Mr BFK said:
by ur logic in the bolded/underlined u are basically saying there must be something inherently wrong with Black people since no other groups suffer from the same negative effects to the same extent



however my point stands that the culture is toxic period......no different than saying smoking/drinking/overeating/insert whatever vice here is bad for your health

ya'll arguing extremes as if I'm saying niggaz are only doing dumb shit solely becuz of the music

when all I've been saying is the shit isn't good for us period......no matter how much/little u consume of it, it's not good for us

even if hip hop is not the core problem (which no one said it was), it's still a problem for our community

there's no real benefit to the shit at this point, which is why I see the shit no different morally than porn




@BlackRain u said making music is different than fucking on camera as if porn has been proven to be worse

but how many of us have beefed to the point of killing each other over porn tho? I can argue rap has an even worse impact than porn on our communities 🙁
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No, I do not believe there is something inherently wrong with black people. I do believe we face unique challenges especially in the U.S. that have led to a lot of the problems specifically within our community.

The bold is the only part that I really have a contention with. It really depends on what your definition of "good" is. It's entertainment. That's good. It's acted as a vessel that has helped many black people climb out of poverty. That is good. Some HipHop has communicated truths from the black community to a greater audience that have long been ignored or masked. That is good.

I hear you. I really do. To me Hip Hop is like liquor. Sure liquor has no real nutritional value so it isn't good for you in the traditional sense, but lot's of people responsibly partake in it regularly to enhance their experiences and have a good time because of it. Does that outweigh all the drunk drivers or other irresponsible drinkers? Maybe not, but that doesn't mean we should act like liquor itself has the same as something like crack or meth when it comes to how bad it actually is.
 
BlackRain said:
I'd counter by saying were those beefs started over rap or were they personal/street issues that were expressed through rap music because those are 2 different things. Niggas who've actually died ain't dying because of rap songs. They're dying because of street beefs that they're in regardless if they're a rapper or not.

You also keep saying that nobody is saying hip hop is the core problem which is false because that's th3 entire basis of this discussion. You're arguing something different than what popped this entire thing off. That's why I said go back and read that 99% comment because that's what you're defending and you admit you don't agree with that. The entire basis is the dumbass belief that rap music is making Black peopl3 do dumb shit. If I actually thought that little of Black people then I wouldn't be trying to counter that. The only way you can actually believe that bullshit is if you do actually think less of Black people
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the bolded is why I don't think u being sincere with this shit 😂

u telling me if Biggie and Tupac were gospel singers that the shit would've still went down cuz of personal/street issues?:icu:



go back and quote the post where somebody said it's the core problem or the only problem

I believe the argument has been consistent that the genre is toxic and that no matter how u try to dismiss its impact

the shit does more harm than good in our communities🙁
 
Mr BFK said:
the bolded is why I don't think u being sincere with this shit 😂

u telling me if Biggie and Tupac were gospel singers that the shit would've still went down cuz of personal/street issues?:icu:



go back and quote the post where somebody said it's the core problem or the only problem

I believe the argument has been consistent that the genre is toxic and that no matter how u try to dismiss its impact

the shit does more harm than good in our communities🙁
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When @Dwayne is steadfast in his opinopn that 99% of rap is bad there's your proof of where this entire thing stems from. And even goin to Pac and Biggie...were those issues due to rap or due to Pac getting caught up in street shit? Pac didn't get robbed and shot that night because of a song. Pac didn't get shot and killed over a song. Both those instances happened over street shit and street politics playing out with street niggas.

So once again I say nobody has once denied the fact that there's a toxic element to rap music. But to say it's 99% all bad or that you look down on Black folks so much that you believe we are more susceptible to it is a level of self depreciation I'm not rocking with. Maybe you and others might be that weak minded but don't put your deficiencies onto others.
 
BlackRain said:
When @Dwayne is steadfast in his opinopn that 99% of rap is bad there's your proof of where this entire thing stems from. And even goin to Pac and Biggie...were those issues due to rap or due to Pac getting caught up in street shit? Pac didn't get robbed and shot that night because of a song. Pac didn't get shot and killed over a song. Both those instances happened over street shit and street politics playing out with street niggas.

So once again I say nobody has once denied the fact that there's a toxic element to rap music. But to say it's 99% all bad or that you look down on Black folks so much that you believe we are more susceptible to it is a level of self depreciation I'm not rocking with. Maybe you and others might be that weak minded but don't put your deficiencies onto others.
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If you ain’t trying to go image/song for image/song just Let it go bruh

RAP IS TOXIC AS A WHOLE AND YOU CANT ARGUE AGAINST THAT.

You ain’t slick trying to use phrases like “toxic element” when I reality the entire genre is toxic.

Promotes violence and disdain for women and men.
 
Dwayne said:
If you ain’t trying to go image/song for image/song just Let it go bruh

RAP IS TOXIC AND YOU CANT ARGUE AGAINST THAT.
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You always yelling about some shit nobody is debating. Yes some rap is toxic. Yes you also have openly admitted you're weak minded enough to have a song influence you to do something stupid and that you think low of Black people regarding this topic. No, nobody is gonna go song for song because just like every other genre, you can find songs about nearly any topic you want and ignore the others.
 
BlackRain said:
You always yelling about some shit nobody is debating. Yes some rap is toxic. Yes you also have openly admitted you're weak minded enough to have a song influence you to do something stupid and that you think low of Black people regarding this topic. No, nobody is gonna go song for song because just like every other genre, you can find songs about nearly any topic you want and ignore the others.
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Not no damn some. You keep downplaying it.

It’s damn damn near all. Not no damn some
 
BlackRain said:
When @Dwayne is steadfast in his opinopn that 99% of rap is bad there's your proof of where this entire thing stems from. And even goin to Pac and Biggie...were those issues due to rap or due to Pac getting caught up in street shit? Pac didn't get robbed and shot that night because of a song. Pac didn't get shot and killed over a song. Both those instances happened over street shit and street politics playing out with street niggas.

So once again I say nobody has once denied the fact that there's a toxic element to rap music. But to say it's 99% all bad or that you look down on Black folks so much that you believe we are more susceptible to it is a level of self depreciation I'm not rocking with. Maybe you and others might be that weak minded but don't put your deficiencies onto others.
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the bolded did all happen over the music tho...................and Pac is a great example of how the music and the toxic culture around it accelerated the bullshit

Biggie and Pac met each other over the music



now if both of them did pop, country, or were gospel singers............what kind of street beefs do u think would've surrounded those two? u can argue that the toxic culture killed two of its best artists........yet u keep denying what's obvious

street politics only came into play cuz of that toxic culture u keep refusing to acknowledge 🙁
 
Chi-Town B said:
Pac was on some gang banging shit and that's been around before gangsta rap. Him getting hit had nothing to do with rap
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No he wasn’t and all you have to do is research it. He might have been around it at one point in his life before death row or even being a rapper but he WAS NOT a gangsta / thug guy in the least bit.

So yes him getting shot both times was on some rap street shit because before death row he didn’t have those issues
 
Iceberg_Taylor said:
No he wasn’t and all you have to do is research it. He might have been around it at one point in his life before death row or even being a rapper but he WAS NOT a gangsta / thug guy in the least bit.

So yes him getting shot both times was on some rap street shit because before death row he didn’t have those issues
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He willingly involved himself in that gangsta life at that time
 
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