Mom of two killed over refund check.

I have a question @Race Jones that isnt talking about that situation but is related.
Do you believe in personally responsibility or is every time there is a victim they should never hold any of it?
 
caddo man said:
Check cashing places are the worst too. Mfer sit out there waiting. Walmart has cards you can put your money on. simple as fuck.
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If you gotta go to a check cashing spot, go to the suburbs. When I first started working in engineering our bank account was all fucked up, so every week I would just cash my pay checks at this lil spot not too far from my job out in Scottsdale. Quiet, clean, almost never anybody there outside of some old white folks.
 
Race Jones said:
stop victim blaming shits annoying
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sometimes victims are responsible for their victim-ness. If I walk through the hood flashing jewels and paying for shit at the 7-11 with a fat ass knot of $100's being loud 'cause they acting stank about breaking $100 bills and I get robbed in the parking lot, guess what? That shit IS my fault. If niggas don't know what you got, you're far less likely to get robbed for it.

Her moms brought $3000 in CASH to a goddamned Dollar Tree and gave it to her. CLEARLY somebody either saw the transaction or overheard the details of it and it got back to the broad that set her up. They coulda been more discreet and she would still be alive unless she was runnin off at the mouth talmbout "my momma just brought my refund money up here!".

Niggas outchea broke as fuck and you in the hood lettin everybody know you got money on you? You're basically asking to get set up.
 
OhMars said:
I have a question @Race Jones that isnt talking about that situation but is related.
Do you believe in personal responsibility or is every time there is a victim they should never hold any of it?
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hmmm I think a lot of ppl victim blame or jump to discussing what the victim/survivor should have done differently because they belive in the idea that people deserve whatever outcome/consquences they are face with on some “everything happens for a reason” type shit

whereas, I dont believe a lot of the time ppl deserve what happens to them.


I read somewhere that victim blaming was a common theme for americans because the “American Dream” is heavily instilled in us, this idea that all of us are in control of our own destinies, that it makes it hard for us to grapple with the fact that alot of the times bad things DO happen to good ppl.

That unforseeable things happen to ppl and more often than not, it was out of their control


so to answer your question (lol) I guess as a coping mechanism or even out of fear we try to hold victims responsible for their “misfortune” to avoid admitting that something just as unthinkable could happen to us, even if we seemingly did everything “right.”


I think we blame victims so that we can continue to feel safe and secure in a world that we all know to be very “unpredictable.”


Now, if someone is engaging in risky behaviors and is aware of the consquences that can occur, thats something totally different—-


But a young girl being gunned down on the sidewalk over a refund check is just a careless act of violence and we should more or so rush to empathize with her and not do the whole “wow thats sad but if she only”

I mean thats the same thing white folks do when we are gunned down by cops lol textbook the same exact thing.

Its the lack of empathy for her that bothered me in APs and Elzos responses

and I have to wonder if yall are socialized to not emapthize with her right away because shes a Black girl or because the ppl who killed her are Black

Im not being accusatory just wondering...
 
Race Jones said:
hmmm I think a lot of ppl victim blame or jump to discussing what the victim/survivor should have done differently because they belive in the idea that people deserve whatever outcome/consquences they are face with on some “everything happens for a reason” type shit

whereas, I dont believe a lot of the time ppl deserve what happens to them.


I read somewhere that victim blaming was a common theme for americans because the “American Dream” is heavily instilled in us, this idea that all of us are in control of our own destinies, that it makes it hard for us to grapple with the fact that alot of the times bad things DO happen to good ppl.

That unforseeable things happen to ppl and more often than not, it was out of their control


so to answer your question (lol) I guess as a coping mechanism or even out of fear we try to hold victims responsible for their “misfortune” to avoid admitting that something just as unthinkable could happen to us, even if we seemingly did everything “right.”


I think we blame victims so that we can continue to feel safe and secure in a world that we all know to be very “unpredictable.”


Now, if someone is engaging in risky behaviors and is aware of the consquences that can occur, thats something totally different—-


But a young girl being gunned down on the sidewalk over a refund check is just a careless act of violence and we should more or so rush to empathize with her and not do the whole “wow thats sad but if she only”

I mean thats the same thing white folks do when we are gunned down by cops lol textbook the same exact thing.

Its the lack of empathy for her that bothered me in APs and Elzos responses

and I have to wonder if yall are socialized to not emapthize with her right away because shes a Black girl or because the ppl who killed her are Black

Im not being accusatory just wondering...
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I empathize with her and still think she should have moved differently

Terrible situation for all parties involved
 
lmao...im pretty sure i said thats fucked up...and id have the same sentiment if the person was white, black puerto rican or asian...she been working w old girl for however long and was fine...until somehow the fact that she had 3K in cash on her was known....im not Columbo or nothing but im willing to bet she d be at work clocking in today if no one knew she was walking around w 3k in cash....
 
Race Jones said:
hmmm I think a lot of ppl victim blame or jump to discussing what the victim/survivor should have done differently because they belive in the idea that people deserve whatever outcome/consquences they are face with on some “everything happens for a reason” type shit

whereas, I dont believe a lot of the time ppl deserve what happens to them.


I read somewhere that victim blaming was a common theme for americans because the “American Dream” is heavily instilled in us, this idea that all of us are in control of our own destinies, that it makes it hard for us to grapple with the fact that alot of the times bad things DO happen to good ppl.

That unforseeable things happen to ppl and more often than not, it was out of their control


so to answer your question (lol) I guess as a coping mechanism or even out of fear we try to hold victims responsible for their “misfortune” to avoid admitting that something just as unthinkable could happen to us, even if we seemingly did everything “right.”


I think we blame victims so that we can continue to feel safe and secure in a world that we all know to be very “unpredictable.”


Now, if someone is engaging in risky behaviors and is aware of the consquences that can occur, thats something totally different—-


But young girl being gunned down on the sidewalk over a refund check is just a careless act of violence and we should more or so rush to empathize with her and not do the whole “wow thats sad but if she only”

I mean thats the same thing white folks do when we are gunned down by cops lol textbook the same exact thing.

Its the lack of empathy for her that bothered me in APs and Elzos responses

and I have to wonder if yall are socialized to not emapthize with her right away because shes a Black girl or because the ppl who killed her are Black

Im not being accusatory just wondering...
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Lmao nah

You make some very good points. I agree I think that we do try to make up scenarios where you would have done something different just to make you feel better that something that wild wouldnt happen to you.

But im not just talking about necessarily risky behavior, but more situational awareness. Do you think its ever ok to tell someone, once the emotions have come down, where they could have avoided something? Or does none of the responsibility of your well being fall on ones self.
 
Elzo69Renaissance said:
lmao...im pretty sure i said thats fucked up...and id have the same sentiment if the person was white, black puerto rican or asian...she been working w old girl for however long and was fine...until somehow the fact that she had 3K in cash on her was known....im not Columbo or nothing but im willing to bet she d be at work clocking in today if no one knew she was walking around w 3k in cash....
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you make my scalp itch
 
OhMars said:
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Lmao nah

You make some very good points. I agree I think that we do try to make up scenarios where you would have done something different just to make you feel better that something that wild wouldnt happen to you.

But im not just talking about necessarily risky behavior, but more situational awareness. Do you think its ever ok to tell someone, once the emotions have come down, where they could have avoided something? Or does none of the responsibility of your well being fall on ones self.
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Oh yeah for sure.

I agree. Education is always #1 and if you can educate someone on the things they could have done differently, in hopes they make better decisions in the future, im for it!

but when a person is dead all that shit becomes irrelevant and its a moot talking point.

youre literally not adding anything constructive to the conversation and its waste of everybodys time

its just unneccessary garble
 
Talking about race post.

I myself always think to myself. What could I have done differently to change the outcome on most are all things that happen to me. To me, I control my destiny. I may not control everything single thing that happens to me. But I know I control most. and If I can prevent something bad from happening to me again. I want to know what it is. I evaluate my decisions that I made in the past so I will not regret the ones I make in the future.

The first time it was a mistake, second time that was intentionally stupid.
 
i don't let niggaz i love know how much cash i got on me let alone a bunch of strangers.....

i 100% agree random acts of violence happen every day, but that's even more reason to constantly be on your guard, exhibit as much situational awareness as possible, and be very discrete about cash in public.

My mother taught me at a very young age and i'm teaching my son now, never loosely handle cash in public.

if i'm counting my change at a store, don't say shit to me until i'm finished.

like that's just survival skills imo....

as unfortunate and fucked up as story story is, some of the details in the story sound more like a cautionary tale to people who might not be aware of shit..

it's like the other day when BNE was saying most people really don't know how to secure their child in the car seat....while the cop who hit the car was 100% in the wrong with speeding into them so recklessly....the child might have still been alive had the carseat been fastened correctly...

not to victim blame at all, just pointing out that fact......and sometimes those facts are hard to swallow...

no one was saying she was wrong, but had she been more careful with that money, she might still be alive....that many people knowing she had that much cash on her made her an unaware target.....that's tragic as fuck...sometimes we don't even know the danger we're in....
 
King Du said:
i don't let niggaz i love know how much cash i got on me let alone a bunch of strangers.....

i 100% agree random acts of violence happen every day, but that's even more reason to constantly be on your guard, exhibit as much situational awareness as possible, and be very discrete about cash in public.

My mother taught me at a very young age and i'm teaching my son now, never loosely handle cash in public.

if i'm counting my change at a store, don't say shit to me until i'm finished.

like that's just survival skills imo....

as unfortunate and fucked up as story story is, some of the details in the story sound more like a cautionary tale to people who might not be aware of shit..

it's like the other day when BNE was saying most people really don't know how to secure their child in the car seat....while the cop who hit the car was 100% in the wrong with speeding into them so recklessly....the child might have still been alive had the carseat been fastened correctly...

not to victim blame at all, just pointing out that fact......and sometimes those facts are hard to swallow...

no one was saying she was wrong, but had she been more careful with that money, she might still be alive....that many people knowing she had that much cash on her made her an unaware target.....that's tragic as fuck...sometimes we don't even know the danger we're in....
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the Greal Elder has spoken
 
caddo man said:
Talking about race post.

I myself always think to myself. What could I have done differently to change the outcome on most are all things that happen to me. To me, I control my destiny. I may not control everything single thing that happens to me. But I know I control most. and If I can prevent something bad from happening to me again. I want to know what it is. I evaluate my decisions that I made in the past so I will not regret the ones I make in the future.

The first time it was a mistake, second time that was intentionally stupid.
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Ok well I never said you werent in control of your own destiny

I may not subscribe to that way of thinking but thats my own personal feelings, didnt project that on to anyone else—let me be clear

I think a lot of ppl are cautious just as much as you are and employ some level of self critique when it comes to their actions.

I dont think you fully grasped what I said....
 
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