Is this a reach?: National geographic presents the Wolf pack.

[loud-ninja]

Why do we need to do it?
It should be a given that it’s not all.

That’s like saying you don’t condone something before making a point.

You dont believe this yourself. If a women told you black men aint shit, you are one of many posters to defend yourself.

Words having meaning for a reason. When public figures make blanket statements, they get in trouble. Why do you assume people know what a person means when they cant communicate properly?

It is not a given because some people actually do mean all.

 

[BlackRain]

Leadership I guess can be different for every relationship.

For my relationship:

Leadership is being able to make the best decisions for both people in the relationship by communicating and using decernment. Knowing that you and your partner have strengths in certain areas and understanding how those assets work together.

Now if your woman and you feel that your leadership role or your assest to the relationship is you paying for bills and buying flowers then cool.

But I don't reduce a man or any person to what they can do financially. Great leaders in romantic relationships imo are great listeners and communicate very well.

What you and @TheNightKing said should lay it out clearly. The thing in our society that makes things more difficult is we often assign certain roles to be more fit for a man or woman to lead. Like if you ask most men what it means to lead finances will come in there somewhere near the top of the list. Your response didn't even mention finances or any specific acts just a general comment on whoever fills whatever role best. So when people step outside of the role we think they should be playing we often look at their partner as if they're lacking or doing something wrong when really it's just that dynamic works for that specific couple.

 

[AP2.5]

I’ve heard chicks get mad they man didn’t stop them from leading in a wrong direction.
But if dude leads in the wrong direction….what else gotta be questioned?

Leadership is about accountability for all good and bad decisions.

I disagree

But this is just maybe who I am at this point in my life.

I will give you my unfiltered thoughts with an emphasis being placed on how I communicate those thoughts.

My partner is still an adult and one thing I've learned is that if someone is determined to do something, they, in most instances are only looking for you to validate what they wanted to already do.

Ofc, there are instances where someone really wants you to help them see their blind spots, but I'll never tell another adult what I want them to do. I will however share what I would do in the situation and possibly try to see if I can combine what I would do with what they would do and hopefully help them feel like I aided them in a decision.

My two pennies

 

[DOS_patos]

You dont believe this yourself. If a women told you black men aint shit, you are one of many posters to defend yourself.

Words having meaning for a reason. When public figures make blanket statements, they get in trouble. Why do you assume people know what a person means when they cant communicate properly?

It is not a given because some people actually do mean all.

Context.
I’ll use Cosby’s pound cake speech as an example.
Plus even taking what a person says as all, it should open up discourse for understanding and possible learning or changing one’s mind.

 

[DOS_patos]

I disagree

But this is just maybe who I am at this point in my life.

I will give you my unfiltered thoughts with an emphasis being placed on how I communicate those thoughts.

My partner is still an adult and one thing I've learned is that if someone is determined to do something, they, in most instances are only looking for you to validate what they wanted to already do.

Ofc, there are instances where someone really wants you to help them see their blind spots, but I'll never tell another adult what I want them to do. I will however share what I would do in the situation and possibly try to see if I can combine what I would do with what they would do and hopefully help them feel like I aided them in a decision.

My two pennies

I agree with you 100%

 

[loud-ninja]

Context.
I’ll use Cosby’s pound cake speech as an example.
Plus even taking what a person says as all, it should open up discourse for understanding and possible learning or changing one’s mind.

Context wouldnt be an issue if a person said key words like "some", few, most , sometimes , many, etc...

Once you speak with blanket statements, you lose most of your audience. Instead of getting your point across, you spend most of your time defending yourself by saying you didnt mean "all".

Most times, talking with someone that really means "all" can be a foolish . They usually dont have the facts to back that up. They are usually stuck in their ways. That is a job of a therapist to discovery why they think this way. You can give them the facts on why they are wrong but it is up to them to do the research.

 

[DOS_patos]

Context wouldnt be an issue if a person said key words like "some", few, most , sometimes , many, etc...

Once you speak with blanket statements, you loose most of your audience. Instead of getting your point across, you spend most of your time defending yourself by saying you didnt mean "all".

Most times, talking with someone that really means "all" can be a foolish . They usually dont have the facts to back that up. They are usually stuck in their ways. That is a job of a therapist to discovery why they think this way. You can give them the facts on why they are wrong but it is up to them to do the research.

Well you understand how you understand and I understand how I understand .

 

[TheNightKing]

What you and @TheNightKing said should lay it out clearly. The thing in our society that makes things more difficult is we often assign certain roles to be more fit for a man or woman to lead. Like if you ask most men what it means to lead finances will come in there somewhere near the top of the list. Your response didn't even mention finances or any specific acts just a general comment on whoever fills whatever role best. So when people step outside of the role we think they should be playing we often look at their partner as if they're lacking or doing something wrong when really it's just that dynamic works for that specific couple.

Yes, for my relationship, I’m a CPA and work in corporate finance, so I handle finances. My wife is a teacher and loves making the house look good, so she handles a lot when it comes to the kids and house.

We have traditional roles, but that’s what works for us. If we wanted to switch roles for anything, we better be ready to do it better than whoever’s doing it at the moment. We are pragmatic and expect the best from each other.

 

[TheNightKing]

Let’s break this down to a real situation though.

The daughter wants to wear a skirt. The father thinks it’s too short. The mother thinks it’s fine.

Who’s word prevails?

 

[loud-ninja]

Let’s break this down to a real situation though.

The daughter wants to wear a skirt. The father thinks it’s too short. The mother thinks it’s fine.

Who’s word prevails?

Problem solved.

 

[DOS_patos]

Let’s break this down to a real situation though.

The daughter wants to wear a skirt. The father thinks it’s too short. The mother thinks it’s fine.

Who’s word prevails?

The father.
He’s trying to protect his daughter.
The mom, might just think what she has on looks cute.

 

[illestni99ainne]

 

[DOS_patos]

Men know that other men are perverts.
We don’t want some perv trying to look or film up her skirt. He doesn’t have to touch her but the idea of sexualizing or getting a panty peek is always there no matter the age.

 

[loud-ninja]

Well you understand how you understand and I understand how I understand .

Then why did you question on why people need to specify what they mean if you know people understand things differently ?

You answered your own questions. Good talk though.

 

[TheNightKing]

The father.
He’s trying to protect his daughter.
The mom, might just think what she has on looks cute.

What if the daughter is trying to express herself as an individual and this is her first attempt at that? Not wearing the skirt may kill here confidence and self expression elsewhere. Mother would understand this, father might not.

And why is it on the daughter if men are pervs?

 

[Dwayne]

How does this relate?

 

[TheNightKing]

How does this relate?

Who is the leader in that hypothetical? Who’s word is law?

Edit: doesn’t relate to original post, but to the question of leadership and submissiveness. There could be a million scenarios presented.

 

[Dwayne]

What if the daughter is trying to express herself as an individual and this is her first attempt at that? Not wearing the skirt may kill here confidence and self expression elsewhere. Mother would understand this, father might not.

And why is it on the daughter if men are pervs?

To your last question.


Control what you can control

 

[Dwayne]

Who is the leader in that hypothetical? Who’s word is law?

Edit: doesn’t relate to original post, but to the question of leadership and submissiveness. There could be a million scenarios presented.

I was talking about that twitter post.

How does that relate to what’s going on with ASAP

 

[Tayboo]

Let’s break this down to a real situation though.

The daughter wants to wear a skirt. The father thinks it’s too short. The mother thinks it’s fine.

Who’s word prevails?

The father. Only because I think when it comes to children parents should show a united front, so kids don't try to play one parent over the other. If the roles were reversed and the mother didn't like the skirt, her no should be supported by the father.