Should Trans Be Obligated To Tell Potential Partners Their Original Sex?

[Duwop]

The question is often raised so people can air out their biases.
I rarely see people have a genuine interest in the lives of trans people.

I say go out and talk to trans people.
I mean they are dating, fucking, having kids, living full ass lives.
lmaooo


we talk about trans people as if they aren't fully functioning people.
I mean these are real human beings with real bodies.

but Im tired of debating these kinds of things
I'm not an ally or patron saint of transgender people.
I hate performative allyship and solidarity.

I just care about the lives of the people around me. I care about the kids I mentor to and I don't have time as a Black women, who understands how hegemony works, to further the subjugation of another marginalized group
thats dumb ass hell.

Disclose/Not to disclose idc the reality is people still dont see transpeople as human beings and they will continue to die for it.

that's all whassup, but we can't bend the rules of what's acceptable and not acceptable in normal relationships just to make exceptions for transgenders...especially if the conversation even attempts to use the word equality at any point in time

 

[Race Jones]

It's mutual boo. I actually find your view refreshing.

Nobody is saying they shouldn't protect themselves and their bodies.

It's a question of whether they're entitled to the bodies of beings who wouldn't have shared their bodies and affections with them, with full disclosure. That's where it infringes another's individual freedoms.

Yes, the logic of trans = an automatic dealbreaker is problematic and should ve questioned, even internally, but being in a relationship isn't a necessity, it's a choice. In the dating world, people are entitled to their deal breakers and red flags.

Withholding relevant information them in order to not be disqualified from dating them is leading them on with deception. And if there's a possibility of them having sex with you, it is relevant. Sharing bodies is personal and that complicates things.

Tangent but for the sake of argument, what are your thoughts on laws relating to rape by deception? Why is it okay for consent to be gained through instances of deception, when the perpetrator is trans?

I don't think rape by deception should be a law tbh
I find it absolutely ridiculous.

You slept with a person who was trans.
That's not a sexually violent act.
No crime was committed
I think we have to be real clear and concise on these things
We cant conflate notions of rape and sex

Because what is being implied here?
That Gay and Trans people are sexual predators?
No ma'am

 

[JUDAH]

I'm gonna leave you alone about this topic now @Race Jones as I think i understand your thought process. We are just gonna have to agree to disagree because you are allowing your bias to blind you to the fact that you are denying people the right to make a choice based on truth.

How is someone's personal choice to not date a transgendered person denying the later of their humanity? I'm confused....but you got it

 

[Duwop]

I don't think rape by deception should be a law tbh
I find it absolutely ridiculous.

You slept with a person who was trans.
That's not a sexually violent act.
No crime was committed
I think we have to be real clear and concise on these things
We cant conflate notions of rape and sex

Because what is being implied here?
That Gay and Trans people are sexual predators?
No ma'am

people were implying that men who prefer relations with sexualy aggresive women are sexual predators
:host:

 

[Golden]

The question is often raised so people can air out their biases.
I rarely see people have a genuine interest in the lives of trans people.

I say go out and talk to trans people.
I mean they are dating, fucking, having kids, living full ass lives.
lmaooo


we talk about trans people as if they aren't fully functioning people.
I mean these are real human beings with real bodies.

but Im tired of debating these kinds of things
I'm not an ally or patron saint of transgender people.
I hate performative allyship and solidarity.

I just care about the lives of the people around me. I care about the kids I mentor to and I don't have time as a Black women, who understands how hegemony works, to further the subjugation of another marginalized group
thats dumb ass hell.

Disclose/Not to disclose idc the reality is people still dont see transpeople as human beings and they will continue to die for it.

It's similar to the discussions that used to be had of white-passing mixed people back in the day, a la Sally in Imitation of Life. like they're a Trojan horse out to dupe u, the default human. In reality, they're so few that it isn't a likely scenario and it comes up because their existence makes us question our perceptions.

I don't think rape by deception should be a law tbh
I find it absolutely ridiculous.

You slept with a person who was trans.
That's not a sexually violent act.
No crime was committed
I think we have to be real clear and concise on these things
We cant conflate notions of rape and sex

Because what is being implied here?
That Gay and Trans people are sexual predators?
No ma'am

Nah love, that's not what I'm implying here and I actually haven't seen rape by deception laws applied in a genderqueer context.

The only time I can recall a court case of rape by deception was when an Israeli woman had sex with a guy who said his name was David and that he was Jewish. He turned out to actually be Arab, and she was arguing that she gave him the goods under false pretenses and wouldn't have with full disclosure.

I was just curious what your thoughts on the law were. If you did believe the law had validity, then there would be no reason for it not to be applied in this context. If you don't though, then that's fair across the board.

 

[Race Jones]

You avoiding this L lol....

When they are killed in the situations you mentioned, how deep has the relationship gone? We are talking about someone willingly hiding this MAJOR detail from someone who otherwise wouldn't know they were not born as the person they are interested in. You are co-signing deceit and being stubborn lol.

:mfb:

 

[Race Jones]

It's similar to the discussions that used to be had of white-passing mixed people back in the day, a la Sally in Imitation of Life. like they're a Trojan horse out to dupe u, the default human. In reality, they're so few that it isn't a likely scenario and it comes up because their existence makes us question our perceptions.

Nah love, that's not what I'm implying here and I actually haven't seen rape by deception laws applied in a genderqueer context.

The only time I can recall a court case of rape by deception was when an Israeli woman had sex with a guy who said his name was David and that he was Jewish. He turned out to actually be Arab, and she was arguing that she gave him the goods under false pretenses and wouldn't have with full disclosure.

I was just curious what your thoughts on the law were.

Ohh ok. I understand now lol

 

[Race Jones]

people were implying that men who prefer relations with sexualy aggresive women are sexual predators
:host:

Ok Mr "Men should get women drunk if they want to sleep with them"

:youmad:

 

[Golden]

Lmao
:oword:

 

[Duwop]

Ok Mr "Men should get women drunk if they want to sleep with them"

:youmad:

"this woman's blood alcohol level was 3 times the legal limit, she was far to inebriated o give legal consent. you're going to jail for rape sir!!"

"what? she didn't seem that drunk. I thought she was just a really confident and horny woman!!...In fact i asked her how many drinks she had multiple times, she said she only had 1 drink!! I didn't want sex with a drunk chick, i wanted sex with a freak!! i want her charged with rape by deception, because i was under the belief i was having sex with a legally sober woman who was just sexualy aggresive"
;;;

 

[Race Jones]

I'm gonna leave you alone about this topic now @Race Jones as I think i understand your thought process. We are just gonna have to agree to disagree because you are allowing your bias to blind you to the fact that you are denying people the right to make a choice based on truth.

How is someone's personal choice to not date a transgendered person denying the later of their humanity? I'm confused....but you got it

Welp.
I finally got Judah to shut up.

My work here is done.

 

[Chi-Town B]

The only reason to hide that information to someone they're trying to date is because they know that person wouldn't wanna be involved in that type of relationship. Just like a regular relationship people should be straight forward and honest trans people should have to as well

 

[JUDAH]

Welp.
I finally got Judah to shut up.

My work here is done.

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Is this your way of thanking me for my mercy and letting you live?

 

[Race Jones]

"this woman's blood alcohol level was 3 times the legal limit, she was far to inebriated o give legal consent. you're going to jail for rape sir!!"

"what? she didn't seem that drunk. I thought she was just a really confident and horny woman!!...In fact i asked her how many drinks she had multiple times, she said she only had 1 drink!! I didn't want sex with a drunk chick, i wanted sex with a freak!! i want her charged with rape by deception, because i was under the belief i was having sex with a legally sober woman who was just sexualy aggresive"
;;;

 

[Duwop]

The only reason to hide that information to someone they're trying to date is because they know that person wouldn't wanna be involved in that type of relationship. Just like a regular relationship people should be straight forward and honest trans people should have to as well

exactly,

hiding you used to be a man is no different than hiding that you got kids, an ex-spouse, using a fake name so they can't background you, pretty much anything that defines you as a person..

because if it is a transgender person who has those things in their past....they would subsequently be lying about that shit anyway


how you a woman with an ex wife? oh you're a lesbian? you're not? wtf?

 

[Duwop]

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cat got your tongue?

 

[Az]

I don't think a trans person should disclose who they are.
Because of safety reasons and the fact it implies that trans people are abhorrent and should be "warned" about. (which is false)

Lets face the facts!!!
a lot of people know when they are messing with a transgender person, period.
when a person says they *didn't know*, they are lying more often than not and at the end of the day what does it matter?
outside of reproduction....
WHAT DOES IT MATTER?!!?

lol like nobody is tricked into dating a trans person
cut the BS
I think a trans person should only inform the person if they are thinking about kids
that's it.

Once I take on a new ID, once I transition into whoever I am becoming, it doesn't matter what I was before outside of reproduction.
I no longer ID with that self.
...therefore, its not my right to tell you.
If you feel tricked.....oh well.

:word?:you knew what it was from the beginning.
Like I said, people are seldom tricked when it comes to these things.


Transgender people are not out here running game on cisgender, heterosexual - identifying men and women.
Cis-hetero men and women run game on themselves. You were attracted to someone that was different and now you running around pointing fingers, blaming transgender people for your "ignorance" because you wanted to be on some "freaky" shit.
lmaoooooo stop it.



Stop infringing on peoples rights because you're uncomfortable.
Stop being scared of the fact that sexuality falls on a spectrum and one day you might be doing the "mmmmmbop" with a trans person.

I agree with this because yes if it's just sex they are after that's y'all dude's fault for being so quick to dip your stick in w.e hole comes along.
I don't do casual sex so I wouldn't have that problem but come on don't expect someone to tell you all about themselves when it's just sex like you aren't going to go and tell them you married or in a relationship when it's just sex or didn't even catch there name? So how do yu feel obligated when it's just sex... CELIBATE IS WHERE I BE SO YU CAN'T FOOL ME...

 

[Goldie]

The only reason to hide that information to someone they're trying to date is because they know that person wouldn't wanna be involved in that type of relationship. Just like a regular relationship people should be straight forward and honest trans people should have to as well

Pretty much sums up this entire thread

 

[Race Jones]

I agree with this because yes if it's just sex they are after that's y'all dude's fault for being so quick to dip your stick in w.e hole comes along.
I don't do casual sex so I wouldn't have that problem but come on don't expect someone to tell you all about themselves when it's just sex like you aren't going to go and tell them you married or in a relationship when it's just sex or didn't even catch there name? So how do yu feel obligated when it's just sex... CELIBATE IS WHERE I BE SO YU CAN'T FOOL ME...

Thats a smart woman right there

 

[Duwop]

I agree with this because yes if it's just sex they are after that's y'all dude's fault for being so quick to dip your stick in w.e hole comes along.
I don't do casual sex so I wouldn't have that problem but come on don't expect someone to tell you all about themselves when it's just sex like you aren't going to go and tell them you married or in a relationship when it's just sex or didn't even catch there name? So how do yu feel obligated when it's just sex... CELIBATE IS WHERE I BE SO YU CAN'T FOOL ME...

so basically building relationships on false pretenses is fair game...

niggaz lie about not having wives and kids, and their real names, so why shouldn't chicks lie about what sex they was born as....



so glad i'm married.....

everybody lying to everybody.....

'/'/'